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Let's say you are a recovered addict and you need to have an operation. Is there anything done differently for post op pain? Let's say someone still has a tolerance that's 10 times the normal dose.
How do recovered pain pills addicts do future surgeries?
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chris302001
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You could try to get by on toradol if you wanted to. Otherwise you could just not be a fucktard this time around.
PICK3
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Is there a distinction between opiods and opiates in terms of addiction?
chris302001
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I dont understand the question, they're the same thing.
nimbus
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i think he means opioids that aren't opiates?
PICK3
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I thought opiates were derived naturally and opioids are synthetics that used some kind of stereochemistry trick to fire opiate receptors
Opioid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Although the term opiate is often used as a synonym for opioid, the term opiate is more properly limited to the natural alkaloids found in the resin of the opium poppy and, more loosely, the semi-synthetic opioids derived from them.
chris302001
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morphine and codiene are the only natural opiates we use. Morphine holds similar addictive potential as synthetics.
The only time you care about distinguishing natural from semisynthetics, and total synthetics is when dealing with hepatorenal side effects.
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DJLegacy2k1
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They do m0ar pills...
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lartinos
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Synthetic abd natural but the brain sees them as basically the same thing.
That's how I always understood it. Maybe I am wrong.
After vioxx got the boot because it causes heart issues I don't think there is much of alternative.
Aleve was suspected of having vioxx type symtoms because I think it works in a similar mechanism.
Aleve was almost pulled off the Market. I still try to stay away from it.
That's how I always understood it. Maybe I am wrong.
After vioxx got the boot because it causes heart issues I don't think there is much of alternative.
Aleve was suspected of having vioxx type symtoms because I think it works in a similar mechanism.
Aleve was almost pulled off the Market. I still try to stay away from it.
Ok guys here are the answers....opiates and opioids basically the same thing. Any substance like vicoden, percocet, morphine, demerol etc are opiates and not good for a recovering addict. The only non opiate choices are toradol and ultram for severe pain. The toradol does pretty good but the ultram is not terribly effective. Any other NSAID (motrin etc) are in the same family as toradol. So.....if I were your doc then I would give you tylenol, toradol and hope that you could deal with the pain.
I used toradol for getting my wisdom teeth out and it worked fine.
PICK3
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I'd bitch slap my doc if he wrote me either toradol or ultram after a procedure.
just sayin'
I had already been to rehab before, in the States, on the Ontario governments dime, so it was all out in the open so to speak. The doc wasn't giving me boo. That's what you get with free healthcare, it's all on the same file...
gorillahung
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The said procedure is removal of metal parts that were used to repair a broken hand 16 yrs ago. The metal has been causing the recovered addict much discomfort. The patient has already been told that the removal would be very uncomfortable for several days which is why it was not done sooner.
The problem is that the patient would require a dose of 50-80 mg of hydrocodone in order to have any effect of pain reduction.
The problem is that the patient would require a dose of 50-80 mg of hydrocodone in order to have any effect of pain reduction.
If the addicts drug of choice was pain pills, IMO it's like putting a loaded gun to their head to take them again.
Recovered addicts are not able to handle those drugs in any amount, no matter what. Not wine with dinner, not alcoholic cough syrup, not pain pills, not anything addictive...
It will trigger a craving. Is it really worth it? They could lose everything this time around.
I say try the NSAIDs (like toradol) before the narcotics. If they don't work, go from there.
gorillahung
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Do you mean NSAIDs instead of surgery? Pain is the reason for the operation.
no, after the surgery.
I'm suggesting that the person try something like that first, and if it doesn't work, only then decide to try something stronger. maybe consulting a pain specialist who is familiar with addiction, just so they are aware of the addiction issues here.
