Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hey, I was wondering if it's a good idea to do a test dbol cycle while training mma? I read somewhere that Test E can make you feel woozy if your heart rates above 160, and you should only do low dosages. I will not be fighting while on it, i would just like to bulk up from 152 to about 165. I think i'm near my natural max. I bench 275, squats n deadlfts are gettin there. I'm definetely a hard gainer. I eat 4500 calories a day to gain about 2 lbs a week when i bulk, as I get heavier i increase it to 5500. Ive taken Test once before but not while training. I was wondering if it was possible to train mma and bulk with test? or just stick with 1 or the other and take a break from mma? or maybe try something other than test to bulk.
....iight a little more information. I'm 24 5"11 152 lbs. 41"chest 15"arms.(yes thats cold) bench 275lbs, deadlift 365, squats kinda suck only 275, military press 185. I've been lifting for 10 years, been lfting seriously for 2+. I think i may be hypoglycemic. I'm all about red meat and pasta when trying to bulk. Last year I did two half cycles of sustanon 250 at 500 mg/week for 5 weeks on, 8 weeks off then 5 back on. gained 14 lbs kept 12 of it, but i also almost completely avoided cardio during this time. I have visible abs. Top heavy, skinny legs lol. Basically I'm just wondering if 1.) what roids are safe to be doing that much cardio? and 2.) What ones would get the best results for gaining muscle, while training mixed martial arts? I'm not too worried about lbm I'm pretty sure i can convert it after the cycle i jus wanna get bigger!...or..I'm trying to avoid this if possible, or maybe if I should jus stop training mma for a little and focus entirely on the gym.
My work out schedule now is:
Mornings: Run distance once a week, swim twice a week (sometimes after lifting) arms twice a week sometimes morning sometimes evening.
Evenings: chest, shoulders, back on seperate days every 5th day. Legs once a week, followed by plyometrics. Sprints, leaps, alot of jumping. Take a break and eat.
followed by MMA 2 hours a day 3-4 times a week.
If anyone could please help me it would greatly be appreciated!!!
My work out schedule now is:
Mornings: Run distance once a week, swim twice a week (sometimes after lifting) arms twice a week sometimes morning sometimes evening.
Evenings: chest, shoulders, back on seperate days every 5th day. Legs once a week, followed by plyometrics. Sprints, leaps, alot of jumping. Take a break and eat.
followed by MMA 2 hours a day 3-4 times a week.
If anyone could please help me it would greatly be appreciated!!!
but if you are going to train that way you need to feed your body a lot more than those 4k cals , thats the only way you will keep your gains...Go with 12 week cycle test and dbol ( 6 wks max) at 40 mg and test or sust 500 mg
bluetoolpaul
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Dude, it can be done. look at allistair overeem. guys a monster. Just eat eat eat and you'll be fine. W/ the amount of cardio you're doing you won't have to worry about looking bloated. Test 500mg and eq 400mg 10-12 wks and some dbol to kick it off wks 1-4. have some adex on hand as well. also, mrsupps carries forma stanazol. shit is awesome at combating gyno , also help raise your test levels back up after cycle. check out the holistic pct bible in the stickies. remember, pct is as if not more important than the cycle itself.
Genetics plays alot in this question. If you have an Ectomorph frame then it is going to take longer and require more effort to reach your potential due to genetics. The only thing you can do is eat,train and eat.. Once you get older and your metabolism slows down, then you will start seeing gains more rapidly. Your friends who are 225 plus with big bones and gain weight easily are Mesomorph frames so there is really not alot you can do other than train, cycle, and eat. Im sure you will be fine once you gain 25 plus pounds due to lifting and dieting properly.
Thanks Alot! All really good Advice. I agree Arabian I definetely am an ectomorph, and your right I believe it will come in time, but who wants to wait! haha I'm putting alot of time and effort in now at the gym and dieting, my entire lifestyle, so i would just like to see more results. So i believe I have the discipline to try AAS. Your all right tho I feel like I eat alot definetely more than most people but you can always eat more, and like you said arabian I'm an ectomorph, hard gainer, i'm not most people. So for now I'll definetely focus on eating more. I'll bump it up to 5500 than 6500. I'm sure I'll see results from that because i've done 5500 for a while before. N thanks blue, I'll definetely research that eq, n i totally agree that pct is just as important. N ez e i could see why you dont think i'm ready at 152 but i feel like I have enough discpline with my diet and everything to try AAS. I feel like I plateud with my upper body for now. I'm a pretty solid 152 hahaha seriously tho. most people assume i'm about 180. i dont see it but they do. Lower body I feel like I could still see some nice gains over time goinn natty but I jus figured the AAS would help me reach my goals faster. So i'll just eat more for now I wasnt plannin on starting my cycle until march anyway but I'll definetely blog it n let uz know it goes. Thanks alot i really aprreciate it!
So blue or anybody else, What test would you recommend? because of all the cardio I was thinkin test prop os sustanon maybe?because I heard enthanate should only be taken at low dosages if your training with your heart rate over 160. For the most part I dont train with my heart rate that high, but at times it does when I'm really pushin it. Like a 5 minute round I'd say about 15 seconds of every minute. Its not really like endurance training, more like sprints.
N how do you all feel abuot beastdrol? in general, and opposed to d-bol? I done some research and read that it was a superdrol clone, said it was cellular mass water retention as opposed to estrogen water retention. Everything I read said it would give you nice gains, some say you keep it some say you dont. I'm leaning towards dbol just because its been around longer. Anyways I was wondering what your thoughts were on this?
bluetoolpaul
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Any test will do bro. Prop is awesome but enanthate and cyp will all do the same thing. Beast is awesome. So is dbol. But beast is cheaper 
and doesn't bloat
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oatmeal or quinoa w/ blueberries and half a serving of dymatize super mass gainer once before gym in morning once again when im done with a serving of aftershock
1st break at work, usually meatball sub or pepperoni pizza hoagie or a combination of the two lol.
Lunch- cheeseburger's , cheesesteak, pasta, steak, pizza...anything i can get a hold of really..hoagie, when bulking bring another serving of mass gainer to work
last break, before gym- almost always chicken or pasta maybe some mashed potatoes.
after gym- serving of after shock, wait a little then my favorites usually a steak or pasta
after mma- serving of after shock anything i can get ahold of usually.
before bed- cereal and half serving of mass gainer
Not the healthiest, but i do eat. I work for the state lol, all we do is eat.
n my question to u is ez e. What exactly am i waiting for then? No disrespect, you would know better than me, I'm just sayin when your as much of a hard gainer as I am, theres not a whole lot more I feel I can do other than AAS. Other than maybe stop cardio completely, n just stuff my face for the next year. lol But I feel like as long as I do a cycle responsibly thats the better bet. N when Im doing the cycle i definetely wont be eating as much sodium n greasy foods.
1st break at work, usually meatball sub or pepperoni pizza hoagie or a combination of the two lol.
Lunch- cheeseburger's , cheesesteak, pasta, steak, pizza...anything i can get a hold of really..hoagie, when bulking bring another serving of mass gainer to work
last break, before gym- almost always chicken or pasta maybe some mashed potatoes.
after gym- serving of after shock, wait a little then my favorites usually a steak or pasta
after mma- serving of after shock anything i can get ahold of usually.
before bed- cereal and half serving of mass gainer
Not the healthiest, but i do eat. I work for the state lol, all we do is eat.
n my question to u is ez e. What exactly am i waiting for then? No disrespect, you would know better than me, I'm just sayin when your as much of a hard gainer as I am, theres not a whole lot more I feel I can do other than AAS. Other than maybe stop cardio completely, n just stuff my face for the next year. lol But I feel like as long as I do a cycle responsibly thats the better bet. N when Im doing the cycle i definetely wont be eating as much sodium n greasy foods.
You answered your own question, eating sodium and greasy foods has gotta go now, not when you start cycle...you need to get your diet down to a T before getting on cycle....
The thing a lot of people mistake is believing that they have everything perfect, we NEVER do, none of us....I know I don't, we get to the next level and things change....my guess is that you're not a hard gainer, you just need some help dieting...and when you get better on diet eventually you'll need to take that to the next level, and etc.....just like everyone, including me
~EZ
iight iight i agree with that ez e. good advice. I have been slackin with the diet, i'll definetely focus on that first. I do believe i am a hard gainer tho. not impossible gainer, just sayin harder than most, always have had a really fast metabolism. Anyways thanks for all the good advice. Ill definetely focus on the eatin for now, n i'll keep uz posted. Thanks!
Looking for quick fixes is what gets people into trouble and AAS a bad reputation.
The first question I have for you is why do you want to bulk if your a fighter? For starters, bulk WILL have a drastic effect on your endurance. You have good strength for your weight so what I would do if I were you is concentrate on more strength and worry less about mass. Training for strength and training for mass are two different things. With mass comes strength but size gains are primary. With strength work, strength comes first and mass secondary.
Im at the point in my life where mass means little, as a matter of fact I dont want to be 265lbs, too damn hard to find any clothes that fit and my endurance was in the toilet. Now im more concerned with functional strength. Of course im a bit smaller (230lbs) but have decent strength for an old timer and actually have some endurance as well.
Ill say this if you want to gain then diet will be about 95% of the problem for someone like you.
you need to cut all the bad food out and start adding LOTS of good food to your diet LOTS LOTS LOTS
if you train a lot you might need 6k of calories a day. nice good clean cals. 300+ grams of protein
so think of this.. thats 6 meals.. about 1k each 50 grams of protein each meal
thats 8 eggs a bunch of cheese and like 4 pieces of toast for breakfast.. and then 2 hrs later.. eat it all again
steak, rice, potatoes and veggies
fish rice , peas/carrots, bread
again think about eating 6 meals a day with 1000 calories
you will need to do something like this for a few weeks before even starting your cycle
also think about how you will schedule those meals around training so that you can eat and give yourself some time to eat and digest before training..
can you set your schedule up so you are lifting/running in the am and doing skill stuff at night?
adding some juice is the simple easy part....
you need to cut all the bad food out and start adding LOTS of good food to your diet LOTS LOTS LOTS
if you train a lot you might need 6k of calories a day. nice good clean cals. 300+ grams of protein
so think of this.. thats 6 meals.. about 1k each 50 grams of protein each meal
thats 8 eggs a bunch of cheese and like 4 pieces of toast for breakfast.. and then 2 hrs later.. eat it all again
steak, rice, potatoes and veggies
fish rice , peas/carrots, bread
again think about eating 6 meals a day with 1000 calories
you will need to do something like this for a few weeks before even starting your cycle
also think about how you will schedule those meals around training so that you can eat and give yourself some time to eat and digest before training..
can you set your schedule up so you are lifting/running in the am and doing skill stuff at night?
adding some juice is the simple easy part....
First thing as far as the cycle goes Id run 16 weeks of test e or c at 500 mgs a week and possibly some equipoise at 500 mgs. You can do a dbol kick start at 40-50 mgs a day dor 4-6 weeks if you want. You obviously realize at this point your diet needs work, so all I will add is shoot for at least 6000 cals a day and 250-300 grams of protein. At your weight its not ideal to cycle but your grown and its your decision to make. I would advise that you fix your diet and training first before you start. You can do cardio and mma on juice and gain. If you want increased performance than strength and speed should be your goal. If you just wanna be heavier than cut back extreme cardio. Either way it takes heavy compound movements. For strength do the reps explosively and as heavy as possible. For speed use between 40-60% 1rm and move the weight as fast as possible, all reps heavy and light should be done under control. For size keep reps between 8-12 and weight should induce muscle failure. You can still train mma but recovery will be harder. So prioritize goals, then make a plan of attack. If you dont have a plan, then you plan to fail. Just keep everything simple and learn from your mistakes. Lastly drop the arm only workouts they are a waste for an athelete. Make your whole body strong and fast.
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MattJS
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My advice would be eat more train less... you could easily add a bunch of quality weight (and performance) by getting your squat weight up, with the right amount of food and rest you could be adding weight to the bar every workout. With your MMA I'd recommend a 5x5 strength program, that way any mass you gain should improve your speed instead of slowing you down. You need to find a balance between your training and nutrition.
I guess it affects people differently. Know I dont recommend running marathons on juice, but for myself my conditioning isnt affected all that bad. Also my training is geared towards strength development so I dont try to gain massive amounts of weight. The additional weight from a bulk cycle will reek havoc on your conditioning, thats why I suggested his diet and training should be geared towards increasing performance.
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You can do both but the mass gains are modest - something has to give. There was a pro MMA cycle post doing the rounds on the various boards, essentially no higher than 600mg combined AAS per week but you can load up in first 2 weeks. Testosterone was fine, eq was perfect, no deca or Dbol although I ran deca as I had a sore joint and it worked out well. No stanazol (bad for joints and heavy cardio) no tren either as it gases you out as well. I also added masteron and my cardio didn't get any worse.
I ran:
Week 1 injected 500 mg test e + 500 mg deca and then..
Test E 250mg per week
Deca (although I was advised to run Eq) 250 per week
Masteron acetate 100 mg 2 x per week. I believe the acetate allowed me to run what was 200 mg per week (100 mg over the recommended 600 mg max)
I found the PCT to be a breeze as well - the need to build combo.
This was a listed as pre-fight cycle so maintaining weight and performance enhancement were the goals.
This was by far the best protocal I found to be able to kickbox, wrestle without the bloat or gassed out feeling that steroids can easily Hit you with - hard.
However you have indicated that you want to put on mass, So why not just do a mass cycle and ease off the cardio?
Barch
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It really depends on what your ultimate goal is... Are you a hobbyist? Or do you plan to be a professional fighter? Also, why are you trying to go up in weight? More often than not, fighters are trying to get down to the lowest weight class they can. If they are younger, and they can't fight the natural process of gaining weight, then they'll go up in weight class. However, usually only older fighters or pros who are completely at the top of the game (Anderson Silva, etc) and have no more competition at their current weight class will try to move up.
If you're not a pro and you want to gain muscle, you'll probably need to dial down the MMA training a little bit, otherwise the AAS will mostly just help in recovery but not much for muscle gain.
What kind of cycle you choose should be dictated by what your goals are.
If you're not a pro and you want to gain muscle, you'll probably need to dial down the MMA training a little bit, otherwise the AAS will mostly just help in recovery but not much for muscle gain.
What kind of cycle you choose should be dictated by what your goals are.
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