How bad is catabolism, really

[Fatty4You]

Also, increased testostrone levels [in men] from heavy resistance training helps inhibit the effects of cortisol. Plus, test is highly anabolic.

-Fatty

 

[RusPA81]

I heard that when you take glutamine, most of it really isn't absorbed into the body, so it ends up being a waste of your money.

Somewhere else, I've also read that glutamine is useless regardless.

I don't support either, not do I support glutamine simply because I don't know. I've yet to try it.

I have read nothing but good things about glutamine. I just started taking additional glutamine aside to what is already in protein shakes, so we wil see what happens.

 

[Thaibox]

Catabolism- The process in a plant or animal in which living tissue is changed into energy or waste products of a simpler chemical composition; destructive metabolism; opposed to anabolism.
Therefore catabolism = BAD


Our training consists of a set of variables constantly under ideal conditions. Thats why our sport is so challenging. Its a 24 hour a day sport. Our goal in doing everything we do is to keep an anabolic environment under a constant battle with catabolism.

By definition, catabolism is bad.

Will those insignificant amounts continue to pile on until you've lost

This is analogus to reps. Would you stop 1 or 2 reps short of each set during your lifts? Why not?

 

[Fatty4You]

By definition, catabolism is bad.

Ummm. No. Catabolism is breaking down of an energy-rich compound. Yes, you dont want to break down too much of your muscle proteins. But, your muscle cannnot work without ATP molecules, and you produce atp molecules by breaking down fats and carbs and sometimes proteins.... otherwise known as catabolism.

Without catabolism, life functions would NOT be possible.

-Fatty

 

[leancuisine]

awesome thread....

lets hear more.

 

[Thaibox]

Ummm. No. Catabolism is breaking down of an energy-rich compound. Yes, you dont want to break down too much of your muscle proteins. But, your muscle cannnot work without ATP molecules, and you produce atp molecules by breaking down fats and carbs and sometimes proteins.... otherwise known as catabolism.

Without catabolism, life functions would NOT be possible.

-Fatty

Lets not waste time with semantics

Fatty, he's not talking about this aspect of it. If this was the case, we can also say that bad cholesterol is good, and estrogen is what we need. In the same realm, "catabolism" when discussed here is the breakdown of material that we are trying to build, not burn as fuel. Catabolism is the process in which we as lifters have either fucked up somewhere, or are doing something like dieting down for a show or such.

catabolism is inherently opposite of anabolism which is the ideal state of the bodybuilders body. As I stated before, catabolism is bad

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

Figuring out that catabolism is bad wasn't my real probelm, but rather, how bad it is.

This is analogus to reps. Would you stop 1 or 2 reps short of each set during your lifts? Why not?

I'm not quite understanding what you mean by this Thai.

From what I've heard thus far, the amount of muscle lost during exercise, isn't anything to worry about. True, as Jeremy had said, gains will prove to be greater if every aspect is taken into consideration. But I for one don't feel I want to run myself into the ground on yet another aspect of lifting.

 

[Fatty4You]

catabolism is inherently opposite of anabolism which is the ideal state of the bodybuilders body. As I stated before, catabolism is bad

Ok, if we are just talking about muscle protein breakdown, then i would agree that we have to limit it. However, it has been theorized that breaking down the muscle via exercise may be beneficial to the promotion of new protein.

But, i my knowledge of this kinda stuff is hardly sufficient to really talk...

-Fatty

 

[Griz]

catabolism is obviously occuring in your body when, for example, you are doing cardio very intesively and your body looks to muscle tissue for nutrients then you may begin to smell an ammonia like smell (like piss, or nitrogen). Look around you and first make sure that some cleaning guy isn't behind you with windex or something (as happened to me one day and I stopped until I noticed this guy cleaning and asked if there was ammonia in his bottle). You have to be paying attention though cause it can be a subtle smell. I notice that when I go way too hard on cardio intervals I sometimes get that wave of ammonia, I know then it's time to quit.

The apparant reason for this is that the byproduct of breaking down nutrient rich tissue such as MUSCLE tissue results in a fair amount of nitrogen getting into the blood system. In our sinus area we have very fine capilleries that pump the nitrogen rich blood and we begin to smell that smell. When you start to smell that quit excersising immediately and eat a power bar or drink a nutrient shake to stop it quickly.

If anyone disagrees with this I'd like to hear why other than "Oh that's just Bullshit!" I ran this past a biologist and he agreed that that was how it works.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

I'm not going to instantly doubt you nor your word, but I'd really like to read more on this. Would you perhaps, happen to have an article on this?

If not, I'm more than capable of digging one up... if any exist on this topic (which I'm sure they do).

If I find one, I'll post it for everyone here. Interesting...