How and When do You know your gear is working...?

[motiondo]

I have just started my first cycle...I have started a 12 week Sustanon - program. I am doing / trying 250mg / week. I have 150 tabs/25mg proviron for the cycle, and have purchased 300 tabs of 20mg Nolvadex, and 40 tabs of 50 mg Clomid.
WHile I was shopping for the right gear, and decided after reading many post - that Sustanon would be an excellent choice to start with, I purchased 4-Sachets of Sustanon, and then recently ordered, from another supplier a 10ML of Sustanon.

My first - injec. was today....about 7 -A.M.

I guess the question I have is - without a blood test, hw will I know for certain that the Sustanon is working...(A)....or how long before I actually "Feel" the effect..(am I supposed to "Feel" something...?) - or is there generally a "Time frame" that passes before the stuff actually saturates your system....??? Should I get through the first three weeks (first three injecs) before I determine this is cr@p and try the gear- from the other on-line supplier...or what...? I know there are people here with many years of experience...and I know that in the 'search' we are all pretty much on our own...I suppose I'm just looking for some insight as to what to look for...or expect - as in physical reaction...etc....I will welcome anything anybody nmight share - just help clear some of the (unknowns) so a fellow BB can be informed.......Thanks - in apprecation... A Head of Time....

 

[GUARDIAN]

I have just started my first cycle...I have started a 12 week Sustanon - program. I am doing / trying 250mg / week. I have 150 tabs/25mg proviron for the cycle, and have purchased 300 tabs of 20mg Nolvadex, and 40 tabs of 50 mg Clomid. how u running proviron, nolva, & clomid? do u have an AI? any hcg?
WHile I was shopping for the right gear, and decided after reading many post - that Sustanon would be an excellent choice to start withi dont agree with this assessment but that is neither here nor there now having started already. , I purchased 4-Sachets of Sustanon, and then recently ordered, from another supplier a 10ML of Sustanon.

My first - injec. was today....about 7 -A.M.

I guess the question I have is - without a blood test, hw will I know for certain that the Sustanon is working...(A)....or how long before I actually "Feel" the effect..(am I supposed to "Feel" something...?) - or is there generally a "Time frame" that passes before the stuff actually saturates your system....??? Should I get through the first three weeks (first three injecs) before I determine this is cr@p and try the gear- from the other on-line supplier...or what...?if u were doing sus eod then i would say 3 weeks is plenty but u r pretty much wasting the short esters. I know there are people here with many years of experience...and I know that in the 'search' we are all pretty much on our own...I suppose I'm just looking for some insight as to what to look for...or expect - as in physical reaction...etc....I will welcome anything anybody nmight share - just help clear some of the (unknowns) so a fellow BB can be informed.......Thanks - in apprecation... A Head of Time....

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the first noticeable effect would be the strength and recovery the muscl/weight gain will follow. u should feel an increase in libido & possibly aggression.

 

[Cryptlord]

Expect to feel the full effects around week 4. Weight gain, strength gains, muscle hardness are all good signs that your SUS is working. I usually feel it within the 2nd week but everyone is different. But believe me, youll know when it hits you.

 

[needtogetaas]

more energy in the gym. I always fined this comes first.

 

[enacer420nj]

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the first noticeable effect would be the strength and recovery the muscl/weight gain will follow. u should feel an increase in libido & possibly aggression.

^bump that....gotta love increased libido..i like the aggression too as long as i can get to the gym instead of choking people

 

[motiondo]

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the first noticeable effect would be the strength and recovery the muscl/weight gain will follow. u should feel an increase in libido & possibly aggression.

Just to clear up- the confusion over the prociron/Nolvadex and Clomid....
I intend to do 25mg/day of the proviron while on cycle....
The Nol...is for just in case....
I will wait for the PCT ... and am planning to do 2-300mg clomid/1st day...and then 100mg Ed days 2-11 / then 50mg of Clomid for the next two weeks...AT THE SAME TIIME ...during these this three week period, I plan on taking 20mg of Nolvadex / ED...and continue it for a week beyond the Clomid...(Do you also recommend getting any HCG...??? also since this is my first cycle and first day....(I have 100 tabs of D_bol...I was thinking of running 10mg/day for the first three weeks of this cycle...) Fortunately for me...$$funds aren't a major issue...so I have slightly..."over stocked" on some items, and wrestle loose some more cash--to secure what ever else I need... - Let me know your opinion...
the start of this cycle is still young....Thanks

 

[GUARDIAN]

Just to clear up- the confusion over the prociron/Nolvadex and Clomid....
I intend to do 25mg/day of the proviron while on cycle....
The Nol...is for just in case....
I will wait for the PCT - post cycle therapy - ... and am planning to do 2-300mg clomid/1st day...and then 100mg Ed days 2-11 / then 50mg of Clomid for the next two weeks...AT THE SAME TIIME ...during these this three week period, I plan on taking 20mg of Nolvadex / ED...and continue it for a week beyond the Clomid...(Do you also recommend getting any HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ...??? also since this is my first cycle and first day....(I have 100 tabs of D_bol...I was thinking of running 10mg/day for the first three weeks of this cycle...) Fortunately for me...$$funds aren't a major issue...so I have slightly..."over stocked" on some items, and wrestle loose some more cash--to secure what ever else I need... - Let me know your opinion...
the start of this cycle is still young....Thanks

save the proviron for when test is not as effective for u anymore. OMG dont run that much clomid!!!!! who gave u that PCT advice?

u can run the hcg during your cycle or for pct. u probably wont need it for only 250mg of sus. run clomid for 4 weeks: 50mg ed for weeks 1-2 with 40mg of nolva and 25ed 3-4 with 20mg of nolva.

do u have an AI such as arimidex?

keep the dbol for another cycle.

 

[motiondo]

save the proviron for when test is not as effective for u anymore. OMG dont run that much clomid!!!!! who gave u that PCT - post cycle therapy - advice?

u can run the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - during your cycle or for PCT - post cycle therapy - . u probably wont need it for only 250mg of sus. run clomid for 4 weeks: 50mg ed for weeks 1-2 with 40mg of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - and 25ed 3-4 with 20mg of Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .

do u have an aromatase inhibitor such as arimidex?

keep the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for another cycle.[/QUOT


THANK YOU _ THANK YOU.........I will definitely follow this advice,....with the other Sus...coming...do you think I should increase the frequency and dosage of the SUS...?? again, I have enough to increase the load as it were....and more on the way...I'm after significant gains...But I'm not certain a HULK like figure is what I'm after...I will follow the cycle...and PCt as you have suggested.....(SO no Proviron huh??...Unless I need it...?? O.K......) and It sounds like I'm getting some strong suggestion from you that I need to go ahead and order the HC G and or Arimidex...??? tell me what ya really think.....(and again ..Tha nks ahead of time...)

 

[LiquidPhire]

^bump that....gotta love increased libido..i like the aggression too as long as i can get to the gym instead of choking people

lol yess!

 

[LiquidPhire]

I usually get a overall sense of well being improvement. Feel great mentally. Then the physical positive sides come , strength,size,libido,looks

 

[LiquidPhire]

and bro get some HCG its a nut-saver

 

[GUARDIAN]

u need to have an AI such as arimidex on hand. there are other choices. u may want to research them all.

I hate to tell u to increase your dose (i wouldnt if this was a single ester), but i still say eod. perhaps only .5ml. one week u will get 500mg and the other 375. u will be averaging just under 450mg ew. still a safe dose and u will be better utilizing the short ester. in this case i definitely dont think u will need the dbol. the test prop in the sus will help start things off nicely.

no proviron period this cycle. save that way way way into the future when test becomes less and less and less effective. get some hcg. it is always nice to have on hand and order 10ml of bac water. u may actually need it if u bump up the dose. if not u r ready for future cycles.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

Were you told to run the prov as a ai during cycle is that why it is in there ,it will do the job but Adex will do it better and is proven , you will grow of 250 so
dont second guess your self but you can take all the gear you wont and if you dont eat ,train,sleep you wont grow ,good luck .

brad.

 

[jumpmaster82]

more energy in the gym. I always fined this comes first.

hell yea energy baby

 

[halfcenturian]

When your dick get to be the size of a cucumber.

 

[perryscoon]

At a dose that low you probably won't see much for a few weeks. I assume you're only shooting once a week, which is a big no-no with Sust since it has test-p in it. Your blood levels are going to be jumping up and down from week to week unless you shoot at least E3D. Preferably EoD.

 

[motiondo]

u need to have an aromatase inhibitor such as arimidex on hand. there are other choices. u may want to research them all.

I hate to tell u to increase your dose (i wouldnt if this was a single ester), but i still say eod. perhaps only .5ml. one week u will get 500mg and the other 375. u will be averaging just under 450mg ew. still a safe dose and u will be better utilizing the short ester. in this case i definitely dont think u will need the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - . the test testosterone propionate in the sus will help start things off nicely.

no proviron period this cycle. save that way way way into the future when test becomes less and less and less effective. get some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - . it is always nice to have on hand and order 10ml of bac water. u may actually need it if u bump up the dose. if not u r ready for future cycles.

FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE...........But what is (Bac. water)...I'll try and google it, but I also can not remember seeiing a reference to (Bac. water ) on any posts...... My BAD of course. I will increase the frequency of the Sus. I want this to be a sucessful cycle...My mind and heart is in the essentials (right food/ right Work/ right rest... / PLENTY OF GROWTH....YEAH) I'll definitely save the D_bol for another cycle, and the proviron...for a more appropriate time. I'm definitely going to order 5000 to 10,000 IUs of HCG...tomorrow in fact I will order it.) and I will be increasing the frequency...and obviously with it a slight increase in dosage on the Sus. (I'm waiting on some 100ct of additional syrins - and expect them any day...so I'll have plenty of equip. But I'm definitely motivated and commited to doing this SH$t correctly.........Thanks for all the great advice....

 

[DJ_UFO]

Hey newbie...FYI: YOUR GEAR START WORKING THE VERY FIRST DAY YOU INJECT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. Remember that. Now when you "feel it" is different. You start feeling more energy, more endurance, resistance, more focusness, concentration, then after a few weeks comes the water retention, strength, mass. But be conscious that your hormone levels are doing their job from the very first day; faster recovery, nutrient absorption, protein synthesis, etc...so start hittin those weights and eatin like there's no tomorrow. Clean of course.

 

[23CALIBRO]

awesome point, gear starts working from the day you take it, and diet, diet, diet, without it you mine as well not be on. you will know when it kicks in though! oh what a feeling!

Hey newbie...FYI: YOUR GEAR START WORKING THE VERY FIRST DAY YOU INJECT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. Remember that. Now when you "feel it" is different. You start feeling more energy, more endurance, resistance, more focusness, concentration, then after a few weeks comes the water retention, strength, mass. But be conscious that your hormone levels are doing their job from the very first day; faster recovery, nutrient absorption, protein synthesis, etc...so start hittin those weights and eatin like there's no tomorrow. Clean of course.

 

[the_alcatraz]

when u're driving like a maniak trying to get to the nearest gym before your vascularity explodes like a volcano and tears your shirt like a water baloon and you feel like Iron Mike Tyson the moment he bit his first ear off, the sweet roid rage, the bitter almost sexual-like experience of hitting the squat rack with all the might that you can muster in this world till your eyes are bloodshed and your stomach is doin hoola hoops are your ass. that's when you know. that shit is for real.

 

[nzrodney]

Please Man, no disrespect but you need to do a lot more research on using gear & PCT. Sustanon is a difficult mix of esters of test to work with. If you had of consulted members on this board they would probably advised you to start with a single long ester like TestE or Test Cyp at 250mg - 500mg PW. With Sust to be effective, you neeed to inj EOD or even ED & at your dose that is very difficult to do. In response to your original question, Test normally starts kicking in by the end of week 2, but everyone is different & your age & physical condition has a part to play in this. In any event, it is not a wham bang thing its more as gradual increase in strength, endurance, libido & your hair & fingernails start to grow like crazy. Then you know its good gear & working.

 

[GUARDIAN]

BAC. Water is what u mix your hcg with not the little amp of solvent they provide. It is short for Bacteriostatic Water.

 

[motiondo]

BAC. Water is what u mix your HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - with not the little amp of solvent they provide. It is short for Bacteriostatic Water.

Thanks B_... for the information...I'm ordering some HCG today. ///and I will adjust the frequency of my injections...I've calculated that every Tuesday and Friday .5ml (125mg/ approx.E3D) will probably start me off better than the aproach I've started....(since it is already begun of course...)

Question : after a couple of weeks , and when the longer esters kick in....is it o.k. to then swithch back to injecting once a week??

O.k. - I hate sounding so ignorant about all this stuff....but you guys are my source to intellegence and insight....

I have read more boards than you can imagine......And of course the advice has been - ALL CROSS THE BOARDS....(PUN intended) ... however, I settled as a member to this site and none other...I just wish I had of seeked yaw's advice before I started this cycle....Water under the bridge now though....So I'm gonna make the best - of probably what was an unwise - choice of a starter cycle....That having been said...I will keep a post of my progress and any adverse effects - I'm geared for protection....(better when my arimidex and HCG arrives) so hopefully if theere are any sides I'll have anything available to "Nip it in the bud"...I have great habits generally...I've been working out for many years...more than I can count...and with our any gear I'm 6'2" - 210lbs / 13% body fat....I have a very strick lean fat / low sodium diet that I have maintained for years.........and a whole hellaof lot of motivation....I can't imagine the results of this addition to my life style being anything but GREEEEEEEAT! ( I guess I'll see and know for certain in about a month........)

 

[motiondo]

Please Man, no disrespect but you need to do a lot more research on using gear & PCT - post cycle therapy - . Sustanon is a difficult mix of esters of test to work with. If you had of consulted members on this board they would probably advised you to start with a single long ester like testosterone enanthate or Test testosterone cypionate at 250mg - 500mg PW. With Sustanon to be effective, you neeed to inj EOD or even ED & at your dose that is very difficult to do. In response to your original question, Test normally starts kicking in by the end of week 2, but everyone is different & your age & physical condition has a part to play in this. In any event, it is not a wham bang thing its more as gradual increase in strength, endurance, libido & your hair & fingernails start to grow like crazy. Then you know its good gear & working.

I have read all types of advice.....on many different post....A person with no experience, if the don't have direct and sometimes personal advisors, can only seek out information, and try and cross average the vast majority of different opinions about "what's the best path to take"...etc, which gear, which PCT...and on, and on, and on.....ad nasueam ...and then...come up with a best case senario.... Now - You don't think this is true...? Then I'll simply say that I haven't spent over a thousand dollars, gathering togather the "Necessary" gear - just pulling it out my ass....no offence intended, oh and by the way NONE taken on your comment...) I just wanted you to see and understand that even though I don't have the insight, I have an open and willing mind...and I'm spennding robably waaaaaaaaaay too much money, when - a solid advisor would keep me lean and right on track....I'm gonna stay with this forum tough,...I get the instinctive feeling that most posters here are not the typical (week-ender, I found a new high crowd...) I'm in this for the Synergistic improvement - on life gentlemen...and I think most here, and that have answered this post with enthusiasim and their honest views are the type of people I might be inclined to trust ... Oh, did I mention I'm 49...I make guys half my age look (older) - I'm in the gym 5 days a week and I practice a very aerobic Martial art (15 years) 3-4 days a week(AIKIDO)...so I'm no meer ameatuer, but one who puts his life/money and body on the line to get where I need to...and if that means extrodinary experiences and (hopefully) better than expected results, then all the better.

I can't Thank You guys enough..........

 

[GUARDIAN]

Thanks B_... for the information...I'm ordering some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - today. ///and I will adjust the frequency of my injections...I've calculated that every Tuesday and Friday .5ml (125mg/ approx.E3D) will probably start me off better than the aproach I've started....(since it is already begun of course...)

Question : after a couple of weeks , and when the longer esters kick in....is it o.k. to then swithch back to injecting once a week?? i suppose u could but i wouldnt. then u go back to wasting them. but hey that is just my $0.02

O.k. - I hate sounding so ignorant about all this stuff....but you guys are my source to intellegence and insight....

I have read more boards than you can imagine......And of course the advice has been - ALL CROSS THE BOARDS....(PUN intended) ... however, I settled as a member to this site and none other...I just wish I had of seeked yaw's advice before I started this cycle....Water under the bridge now though....So I'm gonna make the best - of probably what was an unwise - choice of a starter cycle....That having been said...I will keep a post of my progress and any adverse effects - I'm geared for protection....(better when my arimidex and HCG arrives) so hopefully if theere are any sides I'll have anything available to "Nip it in the bud"...I have great habits generally...I've been working out for many years...more than I can count...and with our any gear I'm 6'2" - 210lbs / 13% body fat....I have a very strick lean fat / low sodium diet that I have maintained for years.........and a whole hellaof lot of motivation....I can't imagine the results of this addition to my life style being anything but GREEEEEEEAT! ( I guess I'll see and know for certain in about a month........)

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THIS IS THE BEST SITE!!! SHOULD OF CAME HERE 1ST.

 

[motiondo]

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THIS IS THE BEST SITE!!! SHOULD OF CAME HERE 1ST.

Thanks again B - and I'll take that $.02 of advise, and keep the twice a week plan for the duration.

(Oh see - now ya have a fan...I've read some of your responses on some of the other posts....I like your consistency, and what appears to be relative sound advice given to others....) Again thanks Bro.

 

[nzrodney]

I have read all types of advice.....on many different post....A person with no experience, if the don't have direct and sometimes personal advisors, can only seek out information, and try and cross average the vast majority of different opinions about "what's the best path to take"...etc, which gear, which PCT - post cycle therapy - ...and on, and on, and on.....ad nasueam ...and then...come up with a best case senario.... Now - You don't think this is true...? Then I'll simply say that I haven't spent over a thousand dollars, gathering togather the "Necessary" gear - just pulling it out my ass....no offence intended, oh and by the way NONE taken on your comment...) I just wanted you to see and understand that even though I don't have the insight, I have an open and willing mind...and I'm spennding robably waaaaaaaaaay too much money, when - a solid advisor would keep me lean and right on track....I'm gonna stay with this forum tough,...I get the instinctive feeling that most posters here are not the typical (week-ender, I found a new high crowd...) I'm in this for the Synergistic improvement - on life gentlemen...and I think most here, and that have answered this post with enthusiasim and their honest views are the type of people I might be inclined to trust ... Oh, did I mention I'm 49...I make guys half my age look (older) - I'm in the gym 5 days a week and I practice a very aerobic Martial art (15 years) 3-4 days a week(AIKIDO)...so I'm no meer ameatuer, but one who puts his life/money and body on the line to get where I need to...and if that means extrodinary experiences and (hopefully) better than expected results, then all the better.

I can't Thank You guys enough..........

Bro, you are obviously a dedicated athlete looking to take your body to a new level . It is not an easy decission to take to embark on a cycle of AAS with all that goes with it. I did not wish to knock your decission to use Sustanon & you have a PCT & estrogen control plan in place, although a little ill advised (clomid dose), which is more than some that start using gear have.
8and20 is giving you good advise on delivery & dose etc, you can trust him, he knows what hes doing. What are your goals, is it more muscle size or strength? If you need any help during your cycle, give me a PM. By the way, I can still give you a few years myself.LOL Cheers, rod

 

[mr.nitro]

I don't feel anything while on. no difference. but my lifts are better while on and I can see the gradual gains. so thats the only way i see they are working

 

[motiondo]

Bro, you are obviously a dedicated athlete looking to take your body to a new level . It is not an easy decission to take to embark on a cycle of anabolic androgenic steroids with all that goes with it. I did not wish to knock your decission to use Sustanon & you have a PCT - post cycle therapy - & estrogen control plan in place, although a little ill advised (clomid dose), which is more than some that start using gear have.
8and20 is giving you good advise on delivery & dose etc, you can trust him, he knows what hes doing. What are your goals, is it more muscle size or strength? If you need any help during your cycle, give me a PM. By the way, I can still give you a few years myself.LOL Cheers, rod

No Offense taken, trust me...and I really appreciate the offer. Trust me, I'll follow up with you - Cheers!