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Holy Pump in my shoulders

sweed

sweed

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did ....
-standing OHP for 3 sets w/ 135 10 reps
-arnold presses with 50 in one hand and 60's in the other for 4 sets
-lateral raises with 50's and last set superset 50's 30's to 20's

lastly pec deck/ rear delt machine... 160 for 3 sets...

Throughout almost the whole workout my shoulders were soo pumped they hurt!! It was the best shoulder pump I have ever experienced!! I wonder what the pumps are like on gear!

though I would share my pumped up shoulder day with ya
 
wow, lateral raises with 50lb dumbbells, were your elbows extremely bent?
 
Sweed said:
did ....
-standing OHP for 3 sets w/ 135 10 reps
-arnold presses with 50 in one hand and 60's in the other for 4 sets
-lateral raises with 50's and last set superset 50's 30's to 20's

lastly pec deck/ rear delt machine... 160 for 3 sets...

Throughout almost the whole workout my shoulders were soo pumped they hurt!! It was the best shoulder pump I have ever experienced!! I wonder what the pumps are like on gear!

though I would share my pumped up shoulder day with ya
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Please don't take offense to this, because I mean well.

Who cares?

I bet if this post read: "I did standing OHPs for 2 sets w/ 230 lbs for 10 reps, and that's it." your shoulders would be tremendously bigger than they are now. Train for size (and strength), not the pump. All that's really being pumped up is your ego. Especially considering that I'm sure your 50 lb lateral raises were more like lateral swing and drops.
 
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Debaser said:


Please don't take offense to this, because I mean well.

Who cares?

I bet if this post read: "I did standing OHPs for 2 sets w/ 230 lbs for 10 reps, and that's it." your shoulders would be tremendously bigger than they are now. Train for size (and strength), not the pump. All that's really being pumped up is your ego. Especially considering that I'm sure your 50 lb lateral raises were more like lateral swing and drops.
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ya im not the strongest guy here. but my post was for the PUMP.... This was the most pump my shoulders have ever been threw... ya i def used a cheat for lateral raises, but beleive me, it felt awesome to feel that burning in the shoulders. sumtimes cheating is a good thing, i dont use the 50's all the time... like last week i used 25's with a drop set of 15's.
I dont use heavy weight for presses, but my partner told me that my shoulders have grown a lot since september.
honestly from september to now, i have gone from 190 to 230 naturally, so that has to contribute to the training that I do.
No offense taken, we are Elite members and I respect your constuctive crit.

Sweed
 
Debaser...what the fuck dude......if you arent gong to be fucking constructive when you critisize someone, save it for another board.....that post was uncalled for........
 
JKurz1 said:
Debaser...what the fuck dude......if you arent gong to be fucking constructive when you critisize someone, save it for another board.....that post was uncalled for........
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If you didn't see how it was constructive, read it again. If you still don't, then that's your problem. After reading your training philosphies you could benefit from it as well. You would do well to forget that the pump even exists, because it means NOTHING in terms of strength and growth.
 
Dude... that was negative.

A better example of a post would be "So you like the pump, eh? How's your strength progressing?"

And then, what if it is? The fact that he also likes getting a pump, which may not aid his strength goals, is a moot point if he's making progress anyway. Sounds like he is.
 
Debaser said:
I bet if this post read: "I did standing OHPs for 2 sets w/ 230 lbs for 10 reps, and that's it." your shoulders would be tremendously bigger than they are now.
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You keep saying that.

I think we know. Of course his shoulders would be bigger......and?

Some people like iso movements.
 
Those are excellent weights for those excersises, standing overheads are much harder then seated for me atleast.
 
was a bit uncallled for but glad no one took offense, glad to see you had a good workout and awesome gains..... after all thats whats important.......
 
DieHarder said:
debaser, what are your numbers for standing ohps?
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I don't see how it's really relevant, but right now 180 lbs for 5 reps, strict press with elbows in. I push explosively up (but with no leg drive, just shoulders) and have a 2-3 second eccentric.
 
Debaser said:
I don't see how it's really relevant, but right now 180 lbs for 5 reps, strict press with elbows in. I push explosively up (but with no leg drive, just shoulders) and have a 2-3 second eccentric.
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do you have any pics? i would like to compare your shoulder development to that of sweeds, not because im insulting either one of your training methods, but according to your logic (which i am not saying is wrong in any way) your delts must be a lot bigger than his since you press 50lbs more. I just think it would be interesting to see...
 
DieHarder said:
do you have any pics? i would like to compare your shoulder development to that of sweeds, not because im insulting either one of your training methods, but according to your logic (which i am not saying is wrong in any way) your delts must be a lot bigger than his since you press 50lbs more. I just think it would be interesting to see...
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No, I have no pics right now. You misunderstand my logic. Here's how logic would apply here:

I have really only done presses for my shoulders. My press started at 55 lbs. Now that I've more than tripled this number, my shoulders have increased quite a bit in size. But if I was still at a much lower press, my shoulders would be smaller even if I did all kinds of pumping exercises, thus wasting my time.
 
Debaser said:
If you didn't see how it was constructive, read it again. If you still don't, then that's your problem. After reading your training philosphies you could benefit from it as well. You would do well to forget that the pump even exists, because it means NOTHING in terms of strength and growth.
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Earthquake sized BUMP bro. Jkurl no need to hijack the guy's nuts becuase he spoke the truth. Debaser said 'no offence' if a post is prefaced in such a way I don't see how someone can get so worked up.

Perfect form and progressive poundages is what builds muscle (except in walkingbeast but he is a MUTANT :D ).

Some guys (not looking at jkurz :) ) need to understand that the pump means NOTHING,NADA,NIL,ZERO when it comes to building muscle. Think about it...according to your twisted logic it's in the PUMP UP room before a show that bodybuilders actually build muscle.

Little experiment for you boys to try at home:

Go into a crab most muscular and tense hard,holdin the contraction ..do this twenty times and then do the same thing with a concentration curl.. now look in the mirror.

1.are you pumped? yes

2.did you build any muscle? no
 
It's hardly constructive :D

Desbaser was imparting knowledge,helping to educate a guy who has complained that he is skinny and making slow progress. That's hardly a 'fuck you' which is totally unhelpful and not what debaser said/did
 
Did you miss his post or did I?? The dude said he's 230 and making progress, no? So why change what works? He's making PROGRESS!!!!!!

Also, Debaser countered with "who cares" which offers no constructive crisitism and sets the tone.........this isnt the first time he's thrashed someones style.........hey, diferrent strokes for different folks........you go out and train the Dorian style (1 set) and let him train like he wants.........until he says "can you help me with my routine?" then leave it alone......my point is, I'm tired of people thrashing one's workoput principles and force feeding theres....hey, if it works for you, fantastic........
 
Debaser said:
No, I have no pics right now. You misunderstand my logic. Here's how logic would apply here:

I have really only done presses for my shoulders. My press started at 55 lbs. Now that I've more than tripled this number, my shoulders have increased quite a bit in size. But if I was still at a much lower press, my shoulders would be smaller even if I did all kinds of pumping exercises, thus wasting my time.
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he said he is making progress, whats to say that he hasnt also doubled or tripled the weight he started pressing? I agree completely with what you say about if you are putting up more and more weight every week then you will be bigger,hell, i never do isolation movements, the closest i come to one is cg benches, but the way you attacked him was unneccesary.
 
for shits and giggles.....sweed hope ya don't mind.


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Yeah...so what? They would be three times that size if he did EXACTLY what Debaser says to do in all his posts........maybe even 4 times....and he would be leaner, more jacked, and getting more chicks........
 
I did not knwo that this post was gonna get this out of control! I dont compare myself to anyone but myself.. and those pics were taken last sept and november. I think my shuolders have gotten a little bigger since last november too. I wish my shoulders could get 3-4 times bigger, as long as everyother part of my grew proportionately bigger.. if they did, they were they would be the biggest in bodybuiling, I hope sumday to be a lot bigger, but that wasn't really my post

I just had an insanely awesome pump, and that was it, and i gave my routine for that day. I really dont see what all the drama is for. and i dont take offense to any of it. say what you want, im cool
 
Nice looking shoulders (and bis), Sweed.

I also appreciate the fact that, like me, you don't really understand what the drama's about. I understand some bros feel Debaser was being negative, but trying to answer that with ridicule, requests for his own pictures, etc. is certainly not improving things.

Could we please let that part of the thread go, before things get too heated? I haven't seen a thread locked for flaming in awhile; it'd be nice to keep it that way...
 
JKurz1 said:
Also, Debaser countered with "who cares" which offers no constructive crisitism and sets the tone.........this isnt the first time he's thrashed someones style.........hey, diferrent strokes for different folks........you go out and train the Dorian style (1 set) and let him train like he wants.........until he says "can you help me with my routine?" then leave it alone......my point is, I'm tired of people thrashing one's workoput principles and force feeding theres....hey, if it works for you, fantastic........
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You totally misunderstood my post. I was basically telling him not to worry about the pump, and just worry about adding weight to the bar. "Who cares" was addressing this fact. Who cares about how big your pump is? I mean honestly, how many people here want to know how much you inflated your arms with blood on your training day? I'd rather hear about someone adding 20 lbs to their press, or discovering a productive training protocol; that way I'd be happy they were making progress. Pump does not equal progress.

If you think I could have addressed it more politely, then I'm sorry but THIS IS A HARDCORE TRAINING FORUM. Not a human resources conducted battered women's group therapy aquarobics session at Bally's. I say what I want to say and make my stand, I don't sugar coat it like I'm talking to a 12 year old girl. That's all that needs to be said on the matter-you either get it or you don't.
 
From this point forward, this discussion will progresss only through the use of Family Guy quotes. I'll start...

NOOOOOO. Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. Damn longears, trying to take Easter away from Jesus. Anyway, what was that you were saying?
 
ok..it's beaten up enough........"water under the bridge"..........I misunderstood, I guess, and I apologize......bros?
 
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