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holding some water, will an increase in letro kill it?

A-Dex or Letro???

I will be running 400-600mg of prop along with 400-500mg of NPP per week...
50mg of dbol everyday for about 6 weeks...


I should be able to get by with 1mg of adex ED correct?
If I do need letro then WHY? and WHY IS IT BETTER? and HOW MUCH?

Thank you guys...
 
Re: A-Dex or Letro???

if you arent specially prone to gyno some 20 mg nolvadex is enough.
Some dostinex will be nice, just half tab given the low dose of NPP.
 
Re: A-Dex or Letro???

reccomend against nolva if taking nandrolone

reccomend Aromasin or AIFM.

getting by is a relative term.... have you use either dex or letrozole?
 
Re: A-Dex or Letro???

Use Arimidex. I don't think you'll need something as strong as Letro.
 
Is letro too strong for bulking?

Does letro reduce estrogen levels to the point that it would inhibit gains on a bulking cycle? I would like to try it b/c adex doesn't do the trick for me, but don't want to mess up my gains. I'll be running a gram of test e and 800 mgs of eq. I bloat up super easy on test....I always gain 10 lbs in the first couple of weeks which is obviously water.
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

Ulter said:
No it doesn't inhibit gains while bulking. It does inhibit other things. One of the reasons for AIFM is that Letro is too strong, Arimidex is too weak, and Aromasin is too expensive.
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Aromasin is no more expensive than arimidex or letrozole all are within a 5 bucks of each other from any supplier
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

so yes, its more expensive. the raw material is about 25% the price of letro but it requires 10 times (or more) the amount since a lot of people dose 1-1.25mg ED (20times).

at ag-guys for instance:
aromasin is 65$ for 30/10mg doses thats 65$ for 15 days or less.
letro is 55$ for 30/2.5mg doses so 55$ for up to 60 days
wont discuss arimidex because dont generally reccomend it and find others dosing instructions woefully incorrect for most users.

just to clarify Ulter's point
AIFM is 39$ for 60+ days at full high end dosing (4 pumps)
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

mac how many pumps in 1 bottle? I want to run 2 ed for 10 weeks(70)days. How many should i pick up
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

macrophage69alpha said:
so yes, its more expensive. the raw material is about 25% the price of letro but it requires 10 times (or more) the amount since a lot of people dose 1-1.25mg ED (20times).

at ag-guys for instance:
aromasin is 65$ for 30/10mg doses thats 65$ for 15 days or less.
letro is 55$ for 30/2.5mg doses so 55$ for up to 60 days
wont discuss arimidex because dont generally reccomend it and find others dosing instructions woefully incorrect for most users.

just to clarify Ulter's point
AIFM is 39$ for 60+ days at full high end dosing (4 pumps)
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Do you really want to go by AG guys prices of all peoples macro???? come on now. I can post actual raw grade materials cost here if you wish.

i will agree that you have to dose more though hence it can be a bit more expensive to take but at the dosages usually sold per ml the cost difference is neglibible
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

anyone got an accurate dosage for a-dex? considering im 6'5'' 220 10%bf

ill be runnin 300 test/ 600 eq
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

jmead said:
anyone got an accurate dosage for a-dex? considering im 6'5'' 220 10%bf

ill be runnin 300 test/ 600 eq
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I would start with 1mg/day and see how that treats you
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

drrman, Those 3 are nowhere near comparable in price. Post whatever you feel makes your argument. Like Macro said you want to compare a 40% dose of one to a full dose of the other then you're playing with numbers. Why don't you compare the full recommended dose of these AI's and show me they are the same material cost.
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

with all that gear i wouldnt worry about gains being reduced by taking letro, you need a strong AI with all that test, try 1.25mg per day and bump it up to 2.5mg per day if you are still having problems with bloat. letro is an amazing compound, the best there is IMO
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

Ulter said:
drrman, Those 3 are nowhere near comparable in price. Post whatever you feel makes your argument. Like Macro said you want to compare a 40% dose of one to a full dose of the other then you're playing with numbers. Why don't you compare the full recommended dose of these AI's and show me they are the same material cost.
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HEY HEY.......calm down bro, did you not read what i wrote!! i said I AGREE WITH YOU!!! when comparing recommended dosages bro!!!

re read what i wrote when responding to macro
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

drrman said:
Do you really want to go by AG guys prices of all peoples macro???? come on now. I can post actual raw grade materials cost here if you wish.

i will agree that you have to dose more though hence it can be a bit more expensive to take but at the dosages usually sold per ml the cost difference is neglibible
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if you bought the raw powder yourself and suspended it, it would still cost you about 10times as much to take aromasin as letro.

part of the reason that the research places push letro and dex (the profit margin is just way higher)
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

Thanks bros, k to all. I'll give letro a shot at 1.25 mgs e.d. and move up to 2.5 mgs e.d. if necessary
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

note- slight, yeah right, math error

raw cost (comparable dose) 25mg to 2.5mg is about 2.5 times as much for aromasin ( :p )
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

LETRO AND AIFM...use both..if your really gyno prone..thats what im using..im bulking
 
Re: Is letro too strong for bulking?

macrophage69alpha said:
note- slight, yeah right, math error

raw cost (comparable dose) 25mg to 2.5mg is about 2.5 times as much for aromasin ( :p )
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BUT, when we are talking in terms of what it costs to produce a bottle compared with what they sell for macro, its a negligible cost.

I could make a bottle of letro comparable dosed to ag guys for less than a buck, it would cost me less than 2 to make a comparable aromasin.......when the price markup is 4000-6000% it really makes absolutely no difference escpeically considering the bottle+suspension formula cost more than the active ingredients almost

but you are correct to, it does effectively cost more(from some places)
 
Re: Letro

Letro Advantages: Decreases water retention drastically, Will get rid of gyno or prevent you from getting it. Minimizes side effects of steroids due to a decrease in estrogen. Strongest AI available.

Disadvantages: Decreases libido, might have a hard time getting it up. Inhibits strength gains and bodyweight gain ( due to a decrease in circulating estrogen, as all AI's do, actually a good thing IMO)

1.25mg ED will keep bloat down very nicely
 
Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

AG def. has a quality product here but it tastes like ass straight up. I would rather take a shot of everclear than this shit. Anyways I have been using a size zero capsule and a syringe to take my letro. Simply draw up a cc shot half of it into one capsule and half in another. Makes it alot easier to take it when you dont have to dread the feeling of having to throw up when ur done taking it. Hope it helps u guys out.
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

I mix another brand of letro with a half cup of water and its no big deal...
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

I couldnt even mix the Ag shit with a full cup of OJ. Your stuff must be a little better tasting.
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

al420 said:
Their letro must be way worse than their T3 cause I just fill my mouth w/ water and shoot it int he back of my mouth.
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thats my technique for the letro
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

There was once a saying in this forum that "anyone who can't tolerate to swallow 1cc of anything must be a pussy!" LOL just messin with ya bro, but seriously use a syringe to measure it out, squirt it in your mouth and swallow, wash it down with some water. If you are injecting gear you should be able to swallow a few drop of of the alcohol solution.
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

Vascular Freak said:
There was once a saying in this forum that "anyone who can't tolerate to swallow 1cc of anything must be a pussy!" LOL just messin with ya bro, but seriously use a syringe to measure it out, squirt it in your mouth and swallow, wash it down with some water. If you are injecting gear you should be able to swallow a few drop of of the alcohol solution.
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that was me! woohoo im legendary
 
Re: Letro

VascularitY said:
Letro Advantages: Decreases water retention drastically, Will get rid of gyno or prevent you from getting it. Minimizes side effects of steroids due to a decrease in estrogen. Strongest AI available.

Disadvantages: Decreases libido, might have a hard time getting it up. Inhibits strength gains and bodyweight gain ( due to a decrease in circulating estrogen, as all AI's do, actually a good thing IMO)

1.25mg ED will keep bloat down very nicely
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Sounds about right..depending on your history you can go as low as .5mgs as well...
 
Re: Letro

I am now titrating back down on Letrozole and waiting for my libido to come back :( Im wondering how long it will be till Im normal again.
 
Re: Letro

Sorry..mean to say what your running...also your experience with Letro..I've found that I can run a low dose and be ok...no way would i EVER take 2.5mgs...only way I would do that is if i had seriouse gyno
 
Re: Easy way to take letro from AG-guys

Wow, my taste buds must be F'd I just squirt it down the hatch and go about my business. I think the weight gainers from the 80's taste worse.
 
Re: Letro

i love this plat search. i just got my order today. trying to find out the most effective way to dose letro. but, i'm impressed how quickly the fellas got me my stuff, cheers.
 
Questions on Letro & Vitra....

does either raise BP? and how much should i start with on the Letro? i heard that there is possible loss of size and strength? lastly, how long does the vitra take to act? i read a lot of older threads, just looking for new input.
 
Re: Questions on Letro & Vitra....

HumanTarget said:
does either raise BP? and how much should i start with on the Letro? i heard that there is possible loss of size and strength? lastly, how long does the vitra take to act? i read a lot of older threads, just looking for new input.
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With the Letro you can get by with 1.25mg ED or EOD.
 
letro - suggested dizosage

see my cycle in my sig.....this is background thread:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501705

just want to try this liquifem out on my bloat.....unfortuntely, i am one of the sensitive cats to aifm. the liquidfem is 2.5mg/ml....its a gel-like substance....looks scary actually

go about 0.5 or so a day?
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

No offense bro, but your cycle doesn't make much sense to me. Why would you end w/ dbol, its used to jumpstart cycles. Also, why run test e and sust? This is just going to make your blood levels fluctuate more, no point. Not knocking you, just curious.
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

letsrun4it said:
1.25mg/day if you have SEVERE gyno issues then 2.5mg/day
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That may be too much...Im on tren ace, prop, eq and winny and .5mgs ED for the first 6 weeks did wonders for keeping bloat away...im doing 1mg EOD now..
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

ryan04 said:
No offense bro, but your cycle doesn't make much sense to me. Why would you end w/ dbol, its used to jumpstart cycles. Also, why run test e and sust? This is just going to make your blood levels fluctuate more, no point. Not knocking you, just curious.
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source messed up eth and deca labels, so was unclear whether the labeled test was really deca, so didn't want to take chance of doubleshooting deca anymore.....had sus right there, so said fuck it.....didn't think ever heard anyone dying b/c of it.... :)
i shoot mon/thur anyway....so blood levels ok bro

also, the dbol thing is debateable.....maybe you ought to try it out sometime
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

swordfish151 said:
Luiquifem thats gel? good starting dose would be .5mgs ED..
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yeah, well, its gel-like.....white, thick....:confused:
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

pitbullrocco said:
yeah, well, its gel-like.....white, thick....:confused:
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its a pharmaceutical suspension most likely, i have made it with stuff called "ora-plus"....its not a cheap substance either, and tastes great. thats most likely what you have, if its milk colored
 
Re: letro - suggested dizosage

yep, drrman, you know whats up!! :)

i love that i don't have to mix it in fkn lemon juice or jack D! pleasant taste and the bottle is overflowing full to the brim!! i hope it controls this bloat....
 
anyone use letro while on tren?

I know Nolva isnt advised to run with tren, is there any negative's on running letro with tren?
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

i used it w/ prop and tren ace. start w/ .5mg ED, work up to 2.25ED if needed. alot are ok w/ just 1mg ED. strong shit. will lower sex drive. i combated this alittle w/ 50-100 proviron ED. i would use it again w/ tren.
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

yeah i just got done with tren with letro...it works well, but you still need an anti prolactin. i was tight as can be on tren with letro and my sex drive was ok..so as far as sides go, use letro with tren and not novla
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

letsrun4it said:
sex drive will drop for sure. other than that its great
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that is really a false statement. If you run a small dosage such as 1mg EOD it will not effect sex drive hardly at all. Many people run way more letro than they could actually get away with
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

drrman said:
that is really a false statement. If you run a small dosage such as 1mg EOD it will not effect sex drive hardly at all. Many people run way more letro than they could actually get away with
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ok let me clarify...

1.25mg/day will hurt sex drive in some people at least (me)
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

hanibal said:
i used it w/ prop and tren ace. start w/ .5mg ED, work up to 2.25ED if needed. alot are ok w/ just 1mg ED. strong shit. will lower sex drive. i combated this alittle w/ 50-100 proviron ED. i would use it again w/ tren.
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damn, I don't know how you ever got it up using 2.25mg/ed of letro. thats a lot bro
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

1.25mgs/day of Letro knocked my dick in the dirt the first week I started it. I cut it back to EOD and it helped a little...............thay's some nasty tasting shit from AG's! Looks, smells and tastes like fuel oil! :worried:
 
Re: anyone use letro while on tren?

so as far as progestional (if thats even a word) issues associated with Tren and Nolva, this doesnt apply to tren and letro correct? Im running homebrew tren ace @75mg ED and will be on 1.25mg Letro ED with 50mg Proviron, along with test prop @ 100mg ED
 
If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

My next cycle is just going to be test at 500mg for 10 weeks. easy, cheap and simple. The thing is, the company i want to use(b/c of cost) only carries adex and letro, not aromasin.

I dont want to take a chance with the adex as i feel that im gyno prone. i want aromasin, but company does not make it. They have letro, which i know is the strongest AI. It is also known for lowering libedo and sexdrive. My question is, wont being on a test cycle more then make up for the loss of sex drive due to letro?

If so, then should i continue to use letro during PCT? as i can see how it would then kill sex drive. b/c you are not useing extra test.

Also, is there a dose of letro that i can use that will keep estro sides away and aid in recovery without hurting sex drive? something like .5 - .75mg of letro per day?
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

Test+Estro in conjunction provide for libido... One or the other doesn't do it. :)
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

mikefear said:
Test+Estro in conjunction provide for libido... One or the other doesn't do it. :)
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ok, so your saying that letro will kill sex drive even while on test.

then, is there a dose of letro that can be effective to keep away gyno and water, but not kill sex drive?
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

Ulter said:
Get a new company to deal with and use Aromasin if you're stuck on it. AIFM is a better choice dollar wise.
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ygpm
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

thanks and k to both of you.

any other opinions?
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

On my current cycle of 800EQ,550Test and 50winny ed I got my first gyno symptoms ever.

So I jumped on 1.25ed of letro (i actually was running a much higher dosage for the first week, but unsure how high... not over 2.5) and I noticed that I felt like the biggest pussy, and I could care less if I had sex or not... my sex drive died. However when I "wanted" to, i could get hard and take care of business.

Im still kinda at this point where I can fuck if I want to, however honestly i just could care less right now. I just finished up 7 weeks on winny, and im hoping that the winny is what was causing my gyno and I can push past it soon. :coffee:
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

immortalis said:
On my current cycle of 800EQ,550Test and 50winny ed I got my first gyno symptoms ever.

So I jumped on 1.25ed of letro (i actually was running a much higher dosage for the first week, but unsure how high... not over 2.5) and I noticed that I felt like the biggest pussy, and I could care less if I had sex or not... my sex drive died. However when I "wanted" to, i could get hard and take care of business.

Im still kinda at this point where I can fuck if I want to, however honestly i just could care less right now. I just finished up 7 weeks on winny, and im hoping that the winny is what was causing my gyno and I can push past it soon. :coffee:
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sorry to hear about that bro.

guess the I will not use letro, as i cant deal with no sex drive.

were you on any other AI b/f the letro, when you got the gyno?
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

SwolK said:
ok, so your saying that letro will kill sex drive even while on test.

then, is there a dose of letro that can be effective to keep away gyno and water, but not kill sex drive?
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YES

varies between users, because of half life may be difficult to find balance point.

reccomend aromasin or AIFM, though there is nothing wrong with keeping letro on hand (recccomend it)
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

macrophage69alpha said:
YES

varies between users, because of half life may be difficult to find balance point.

reccomend aromasin or AIFM, though there is nothing wrong with keeping letro on hand (recccomend it)
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thanks bro
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

Can somebody tell me what AIFM is. I must be pretty stupid.
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

immortalis said:
On my current cycle of 800EQ,550Test and 50winny ed I got my first gyno symptoms ever.

So I jumped on 1.25ed of letro (i actually was running a much higher dosage for the first week, but unsure how high... not over 2.5) and I noticed that I felt like the biggest pussy, and I could care less if I had sex or not... my sex drive died. However when I "wanted" to, i could get hard and take care of business.

Im still kinda at this point where I can fuck if I want to, however honestly i just could care less right now. I just finished up 7 weeks on winny, and im hoping that the winny is what was causing my gyno and I can push past it soon. :coffee:
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Same here but my cycle only consists of test and gh..
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

letro can be very suppressive of drive, it is just too suppressive of oestrogen (particularly of the weaker estrone)
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

What Did U Mean You Dont Want To Take A Chance With Adex As You Are Gyno Prone?? My Dr. Give Me Adex Cause I Am Too...?? Does It Not Work?? Thx
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

tres said:
What Did U Mean You Dont Want To Take A Chance With Adex As You Are Gyno Prone?? My Dr. Give Me Adex Cause I Am Too...?? Does It Not Work?? Thx
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im not saying it does not work, it is just not as strong as aromasin, aifm, or letro.

have you been using adex? what is your cycle?
 
Re: If letro kills sex drive, wouldn't being on a test cycle make up for it?

tres said:
What Did U Mean You Dont Want To Take A Chance With Adex As You Are Gyno Prone?? My Dr. Give Me Adex Cause I Am Too...?? Does It Not Work?? Thx
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arimidex is typically too weak for those that really need an AI.
 
Letro Alone?

Been off for about 3months and I was starting to taper down my AIFM and then my chest started to feel tender. i was already doing 3 pumps 2x a day. i was wondering if i switched to letro if that alone would help or would i need to add the nolva? thanks
 
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