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been a while perused the bible but, my recollection is that jc was a pretty humble dude...i don't recall running around making all those claims
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same on most Christian denominations. Or that's the way I take it anyway
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well...the Quran...dosnt mention the punishment for homosexuals or homosexual intercourse....but it mentions the punishment for adultery...which is lashes....but we are talking about homosexuals here....so what we can do is we can look through the books of Hadiths...and the meaning of Hadiths is (statements) of the companions of those who saw the prophet Mohammed SAW (sahaba) or the generation that were born after the prophet Mohammed SAW passed away (tabiun) to understand and get closer to the true teachings of the prophet Mohammed SAW....now you have to know that the Hadiths is not the word of God it is the word of men...and they make mistakes just like us and they also fought each other...both sides believed that they were fighting for the right....and there was also those Bedouins who joined...not because of true faith....but because they saw the Muslims wining wars against the most powerful tribe in Arabia the Quraish tribe...and this what caused the wars of apostasy after the prophet Mohammed SAW passed away.....those Bedouins left Islam and every tribe wanted his own prophet....and they didn't wanna pay tax anymore to the Khalif Abu Baker Al-sedeek.......so there was enemies from the beginning....so be careful when you study Hadiths....the Quran should always come first...and the Hadith should be for research
now about the homosexuals....they are mentioned in 2 hadiths...and one of them tells you how the prophet Mohammed SAW dealt with him...
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
A mukhannath (homosexual) who had dyed his hands and feet with henna was brought to the Prophet. He asked: What is the matter with this man? He was told: Apostle of Allah! he affects women's get-up. So he ordered regarding him and he was banished to an-Naqi'. The people said: Apostle of Allah! should we not kill him? He said: I have been prohibited from killing people who pray. AbuUsamah said: Naqi' is a region near Medina and not a Baqi (in other words not referring to Jannat al-Baqi' cemetery.[1]
Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 41, Number 4910:
so in my opinion...they should take away the nationality of a homosexual.....and have him move to California....you guys can have him
and now lets go back to the Hadiths and why you have to research it carefully....I will give you an example....lets talk about stoning....there is a few hadiths about the Jews who lived under the Islamic state and they caught one of their own committing adultery...and they had to follow the Torah......and there is another Hadith that was narrated by Aisha
[Narrated 'Aisha] "The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."
BINGO.....there was NO papers during the time of the prophet Mohammed SAW.....paper was introduced to the Arabs 400 years after he passed away....the companions wrote the Quran on animal skin....on stones...and even animal bones....this Hadith is fabricated by someone.......now you have to know that the shia sect they HATE Aisha RAA....because she was the military commander during the battle of the camel....and she fought Ali ibn abi Talib RAA
Quran 45
6. These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (HADITH) after Allah and His verses will they believe?
Quran 2
106. We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?
Quran 10
58. Say, "In the bounty of Allah and in His mercy - in that let them rejoice; it is better than what they accumulate."
59. Say, "Have you seen what Allah has sent down to you of provision of which you have made [some] lawful and [some] unlawful?" Say, "Has Allah permitted you [to do so], or do you invent [something] about Allah ?"
60. And what will be the supposition of those who invent falsehood about Allah on the Day of Resurrection? Indeed, Allah is full of bounty to the people, but most of them are not grateful."
Lol this Taliban apologist needs to be fucking bant
You srs trying to justify them killing a fuckload of people without trial because they read a piece of paper that says their fake god wants them to?
seems legit
You srs trying to justify them killing a fuckload of people without trial because they read a piece of paper that says their fake god wants them to?
seems legit
Fuck no, just figured it was the same generic bullshit most ragheads spit about their sky daddy when you call them out on being the 'religion of peace' while wanting everyone to die...
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did I justify killing anybody?
if your talking about the dancing little boys gatherings.....these are the northers alliance....they want this practice....and the Taliban is fighting them
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quran 5
72. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
73. They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
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Butt I'm geospatially challenged and usually rub pork fat on my peen to lube it up
Yes.
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No. The early god and the one we see, for example, in most of the NT absolutely seem like two completely different gods.
I'm with you.
Difference of opinion on what to write and/or keep in, I suppose, like the (IMO) 2 different creation accounts.
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It's all bullshit. Arabs stole the religion idea from India...and the Europeans realised they could use it to keep the masses stupid. It's all crap innvented to control populations minds. If you want real knowledge about understanding your mind and existance in truth without made up fictional characters and miracles look into Hinduism and Buddhist philosophy.
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The Honorable Lord Krishna: A Prophet Of Allah
Hindus worldwide will soon observe Krishna Janmashtami, a celebration of Lord Krishna's birth. While many recognize the differences between Islam and Hinduism, few may appreciate that according to Islamic principles and Prophet Muhammad, Lord Krishna was a true Prophet of God.
The obvious question that emerges is that if the same God sent Lord Krishna and Prophet Muhammad, why do Islam and Hinduism have notable theological differences? Simply put, Islam only argues that the original core teachings of Hinduism and Islam are the same -- the unity of God and the obligation to serve mankind. Furthermore, nothing in the Quran, Sunnah or Hadith declares that Lord Krishna was not a prophet. Thus, this short article offers nine points to consider -- together -- that Lord Krishna is a true prophet of God, a prophet whom Muslims also revere along with their fellow Hindu neighbors.
1. First, the Quran is the only ancient scripture that specifically mentions and praises other faiths. While the Quran mentions Jews and Christians specifically, in numerous places, likewise, it mentions Hindus in a group known as the Sabians. Sabians refer to non-Abrahamic traditions -- Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Taoists, etc. Thus, recognition of Hinduism exists in the Quran.
2. Islam teaches six Articles of Faith. The Fourth Article of Faith is the belief in all of God's prophets. This simple Article of Faith provides further credence to recognizing Lord Krishna as a prophet sent to the Indian subcontinent.
3. The Quran is clear that God's Divine guidance is not exclusive to any one people. Rather the Quran says that God sent "messengers to every people" (10:48) and "We raised among every people a messenger" (16:37). Prophet Muhammad further declared that God has sent no less than 124,000 prophets to mankind throughout history (Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 5, 169) of which only 28 are mentioned in the Quran. None of those 28 prophets are mentioned as being sent to the Indian subcontinent. Thus, it is perfectly reasonable that Lord Krishna is one of the many prophets God sent with His Divine message.
4. Segueing from the previous point, the Quran clearly declares, "And We sent some Messengers whom We have already mentioned to thee and some Messengers whom We have not mentioned to thee..." (4:165). Thus, to declare that Lord Krishna is not a prophet simply because the Quran does not mention him is a meritless argument.
5. Remarkably, Prophet Muhammad declared, "There was a prophet of God in India who is dark in color and his name was Kahan [Krishna]" (History of Hamadan Dailmi Chapter Al-Kaaf). Some critics allege this is not a Sahih (authentic) hadith, and while their assessment could be valid, their conclusion that the hadith should be discarded is invalid. Basic Islamic jurisprudence holds that if a hadith does not contradict the Quran, then it may be accepted as valid. As mentioned earlier, nothing in the Quran, Sunnah or Hadith declare that Lord Krishna was not a prophet of God. Thus, Prophet Muhammad's testimony provides clear guidance of Lord Krishna's status in Islam -- that of a prophet. In fact, a renowned early 19th century Muslim scholar, Muhammad Qasim Nanotwi also was of the opinion that considering the evidence and this hadith, Lord Krishna was a true Prophet of God (Dharam Parchar Pg 8 & Debate Shah Jahan Pur Pg 31).
6. Islam's Third Article of Faith is the Belief in God's Books. This is why Muslims revere the Injeel (Gospels) and Torah (Old Testament). Thus, it is only logical that Muslims also revere the Gita and Vedas, Hinduism's holy scriptures from which Lord Krishna taught.
7. Earlier I mentioned that both Islam and Hinduism teach the unity of God and service of mankind -- a message both Prophet Muhammad and Lord Krishna taught. In fact, the Vedas state, "There is only one God, worship Him" (Rig Veda, 6.45.16) and "Do not worship any one beside Him" (Rig Veda 8.1.1) and also, "God is only one, not a second" (Chandogya Upanishad Ch. 6.2.1). Furthermore, countless verses in the Vedas teach the service of mankind. For example, "Oh Noble men! We do not commit violence. We do not hurt others. We do not quarrel either. We of course chant Vedas and act according to its dictates" (Rig Veda 10.134.7) and "Every man should protect the other in all respects" (Atharva 6.64.1). Again, while admitted theological differences exist between Islam and Hinduism today, no doubt exists that Prophet Muhammad and Lord Krishna both taught God's unity and service to mankind.
8. Furthermore, Lord Krishna's scriptures clearly prophesize Prophet Muhammad's advent in multiple places. We provide just two. Bhavisyath Purana 3:5-8 states, "A spiritual reformer will come from a foreign land (outside Bharat) with his disciples. His name will be Mahamad. He will dwell in a desert." Likewise, "His [Mahamad's] followers will perform circumcision. They will not keep their hair in the form of Choti as the Brahmans do. They will keep beard. They will bring about a revolution. They will call with a loud voice [i.e. Adhaan]. They will eat meat of animals other than that of swine. They will attain purity through Jihad. Their civilization will be called Muslay [Muslim]." For the sake of brevity we will avoid further commentary on these verses as they speak volumes on their own. Suffice it to say, however, that these verses further support the argument that the same God who sent Prophet Muhammad, sent Lord Krishna. Earlier we provided Prophet Muhammad's hadith validating Lord Krishna, and now we provide Lord Krishna's holy scripture validating Prophet Muhammad. What further proof do we need that Prophet Muhammad and Lord Krishna are brothers cut from the same mold?
9. Finally, in the Quran, God gives Prophet Muhammad the auspicious title of Khataman Nabiyeen or Seal of the Prophets (33:41). While some limit this title's meaning to "last," from Hadith and authentic Arabic lexicon it is clear that the true import of "Seal" is Greatness and Validation. That is, Prophet Muhammad is called not only the greatest prophet, but also the Validation of all prophets. Thus, it makes perfect sense why Prophet Muhammad specifically called Lord Krishna a Prophet -- part of his purpose in coming was to declare to the world that God did not abandon any people. Rather, God sent His guidance and prophets to all people. In doing so, Prophet Muhammad validated Lord Krishna's truthfulness -- something no prophet of any faith outside of Islam has done. Thus, as human beings we must honor and revere all those prophets because the same God sent each of them -- Lord Krishna being no exception.
In short, Prophet Lord Krishna was a noble, righteous, beloved one of God. Far from theological division, he is a source of unity and accord between Hindus and Muslims.
huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/lord-krishna-prophet-of-allah_b_1759049.html
the prophet Mohammed SAW in Hindu scriptures
A Hindu Practicing Black Magic to Islam - When Magic Didn't Work I Started Looking For Truth
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Hindu scriptures
"A spiritual reformer will come from a foreign land (outside Bharat) with his disciples. His name will be Mahamad. He will dwell in a desert." Likewise, "His [Mahamad's] followers will perform circumcision. They will not keep their hair in the form of Choti as the Brahmans do. They will keep beard. They will bring about a revolution. They will call with a loud voice [i.e. Adhaan]. They will eat meat of animals other than that of swine. They will attain purity through Jihad. Their civilization will be called Muslay [Muslim]."
Bhavisyath Purana 3:5-8
"A spiritual reformer will come from a foreign land (outside Bharat) with his disciples. His name will be Mahamad. He will dwell in a desert." Likewise, "His [Mahamad's] followers will perform circumcision. They will not keep their hair in the form of Choti as the Brahmans do. They will keep beard. They will bring about a revolution. They will call with a loud voice [i.e. Adhaan]. They will eat meat of animals other than that of swine. They will attain purity through Jihad. Their civilization will be called Muslay [Muslim]."
Bhavisyath Purana 3:5-8
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Stop fucking posting all this horseshit that noone is going to read, java.
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Is this really java? Wow!
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You are such a pathetic sissy bitch.
Was the Mormon religion coming out and saying Joseph Smith had ~40 wives, one of whom was 14 and some of whom were already married to other male friends of his, surprising to you?
That's an honest question, btw. I'm not starting shit.
It seems from some of the articles I've read since that essay was published by the Church of LDS that some Mormons were totally unaware/shocked/etc.
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list of non Arab Sahabah (companions of prophet Mohammed SAW)
Ethiopians
* Umm Ayman (Barakah) - she was around Muhammad from his birth until his death and was the closest example of a mother to him (after his own mother’s death when he was a child). She was the mother of Usama ibn Zayd.
- Usama ibn Zayd - was the son of Zayd ibn Harithah, Muhammad's freed slave, who he adopted as his son. His mother was Umm Ayman (Barakah).He was the youngest person ever to be appointed a general by Muhammad.His father, Zaid bin Haritha, died in the Battle of Mu'tah, 629. He is considered a martyr (shahid).Among the orders he received was "go to where your father was killed".
* Bilal ibn Ribah - he converted to Islam while still a slave, and defiantly resisted torture and persecution (for his conversion) from his pagan slave-master. He later became the first mu'adhdhin (caller to prayer) in Islamic history.
* Wahshy ibn Harb - he killed Hamza, Muhammad's uncle and a leading Muslim general and formidable soldier, but converted to Islam. He later killed Musaylimah, the most formidable opponent of the Muslims during the Wars of Apostasy.
* Al-Nahdiah - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being tortured and persecuted by her slave-master. She was later freed from slavery.
* Lubaynah - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being persecuted by her then pagan slave-master. She was later freed from slavery.
* Umm Ubays - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being tortured and persecuted by her pagan slave-master. She was later freed from slavery. She was the daughter of Al-Nahdiah.
* Harithah bint al-Muammil - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being persecuted to such a severe extent that she lost her eyesight. She was later freed from slavery. Umm Ubays was her sister.
Hellenized Arab
* Suhayb ar-Rumi (Suhayb the Roman) - he was an Arab who was taken prisoner while still a little boy by Byzantine Empire soldiers, when they attacked a village he was in. Thereafter, for about twenty years he passed from one Byzantine slave-master to another and grew up speaking Greek and practically forgot Arabic. He later escaped from slavery and headed for Mecca, which was considered a place of asylum. There people called him Suhayb ar-Rumi because of his peculiarly heavy speech . Later in Mecca, after meeting with Muhammad, he converted to Islam. When Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina, Suhayb gave up his vast wealth in order to be alongside him in Medina. His standing among the Muslims was so high that he was nominated by the Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab to lead the Muslims (both in prayers and as head of the Muslim community) in the period between Umar’s death and the election of his successor
Jewish
* Abdullah ibn Salam - he was a rabbi before his conversion to Islam and was the first Muslim that was explicitly promised Jannah (paradise) by Muhammad while he was still alive. He is credited the man most participated in all battles during Prophet time and after. He was expert in reading the Hebrew bible as a mother tongue and was assigned by the Prophet to write down the Quran.
* Safiyya bint Huyayy - she was one of the Ummahat-al-Mu'mineen (Mother of the Believers). (prophet Mohammeds SAW wife)
* Rayhana - she was one of the Ummahat-al-Mu'mineen (Mother of the Believers).(prophet Mohammeds SAW wife)
* Banu Najjar "The Carpenter family" a Jewish family who converted to Islam under the Tree "Ansar allegience under the tree" and shook hands with the Prophet, and were the first Ansar muslims of Medina. among them was the fabled "Abu Ayyub al-Ansari"
* Abu Ayyub al-Ansari was the host of the Prophet when he immigrated to Medina. He participated and martyred in the First Siege of Constantinople at age over 80.
* "Jasser and Wife" the first martyrs of Islam, Sumayyah bint Khayyat and Yasir ibn Amir, were of the early believers of Muhammad in the fantastic Seven "Abu Bakr, Bilal, Uthman, Salman", who were seen accompany the Prophet in the early years of Islam, before Allah ordered the Prophet to actively declare Prophethood and the Call to Unbelievers that started the persecution of Muslims in last three years in Mecca of Misery to Prophet and Muslims, before Prophet flight to Medina "Hijra" where the Qahtanite Ansar welcomed him and defended him against the dominant Adnanite tribes the clan of Muhammad.
Kurdish
* Jaban Sahabi - he was better known as Jaban Al-Kurdi. In the year 18 after Hijra, he went back to Kurdistan to preach Islam in his homeland. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani mentions in his book Finding the Truth in Judging the Companions, 10 hadiths which are quoted by Jaban. His son Abu Basir was a Tabi'i.
Pashtun
* Qais Abdur Rashid - he is claimed to be a legendary ancestor of some Pashtun tribes, who traveled from Ghor, present-day central Afghanistan to Arabia to meet Muhammad and embraced Islam there, before returning to his people and introducing them to the faith.
Persian
* Salman al-Farsi - he was born in Persia but embarked on a long and continuous journey (away from his homeland) in search of the truth. He ultimately reached his destination in Arabia, when he met Muhammad and converted to Islam. It was his suggestion to build a trench in the Battle of the Trench that ultimately resulted in a defeat for the forces of the enemies of the Muslims.
* Fayruz al-Daylami - he was sent out by Muhammad to assassinate Aswad Ansi, who claimed prophethood in Yemen.
* Munabbih ibn Kamil- he was a Persian knight. He had two sons, who were both Islamic scholars.
* Salim Mawla Abu-Hudhayfah - he was a highly respected and valued Muslim (among his fellow Muslims), who died while fighting against the forces of Musaylimah during the Wars of Apostasy. Umar ibn al-Khattāb suggested he would have designated Salim as his successor to the Caliphate had he still been alive.
Tamil Chera
* Cheraman Perumal - he was a Chera king of South India (present-day Kerala) who traveled to Arabia and converted to Islam.
Assyrian
* Addas - he was a young Christian slave boy (originally from Nineveh) who was the first person from Taif to convert to Islam.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-Arab_Sahabah
Ethiopians
* Umm Ayman (Barakah) - she was around Muhammad from his birth until his death and was the closest example of a mother to him (after his own mother’s death when he was a child). She was the mother of Usama ibn Zayd.
- Usama ibn Zayd - was the son of Zayd ibn Harithah, Muhammad's freed slave, who he adopted as his son. His mother was Umm Ayman (Barakah).He was the youngest person ever to be appointed a general by Muhammad.His father, Zaid bin Haritha, died in the Battle of Mu'tah, 629. He is considered a martyr (shahid).Among the orders he received was "go to where your father was killed".
* Bilal ibn Ribah - he converted to Islam while still a slave, and defiantly resisted torture and persecution (for his conversion) from his pagan slave-master. He later became the first mu'adhdhin (caller to prayer) in Islamic history.
* Wahshy ibn Harb - he killed Hamza, Muhammad's uncle and a leading Muslim general and formidable soldier, but converted to Islam. He later killed Musaylimah, the most formidable opponent of the Muslims during the Wars of Apostasy.
* Al-Nahdiah - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being tortured and persecuted by her slave-master. She was later freed from slavery.
* Lubaynah - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being persecuted by her then pagan slave-master. She was later freed from slavery.
* Umm Ubays - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being tortured and persecuted by her pagan slave-master. She was later freed from slavery. She was the daughter of Al-Nahdiah.
* Harithah bint al-Muammil - she converted to Islam while she was a slave, but refused to abandon her new faith even after being persecuted to such a severe extent that she lost her eyesight. She was later freed from slavery. Umm Ubays was her sister.
Hellenized Arab
* Suhayb ar-Rumi (Suhayb the Roman) - he was an Arab who was taken prisoner while still a little boy by Byzantine Empire soldiers, when they attacked a village he was in. Thereafter, for about twenty years he passed from one Byzantine slave-master to another and grew up speaking Greek and practically forgot Arabic. He later escaped from slavery and headed for Mecca, which was considered a place of asylum. There people called him Suhayb ar-Rumi because of his peculiarly heavy speech . Later in Mecca, after meeting with Muhammad, he converted to Islam. When Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina, Suhayb gave up his vast wealth in order to be alongside him in Medina. His standing among the Muslims was so high that he was nominated by the Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab to lead the Muslims (both in prayers and as head of the Muslim community) in the period between Umar’s death and the election of his successor
Jewish
* Abdullah ibn Salam - he was a rabbi before his conversion to Islam and was the first Muslim that was explicitly promised Jannah (paradise) by Muhammad while he was still alive. He is credited the man most participated in all battles during Prophet time and after. He was expert in reading the Hebrew bible as a mother tongue and was assigned by the Prophet to write down the Quran.
* Safiyya bint Huyayy - she was one of the Ummahat-al-Mu'mineen (Mother of the Believers). (prophet Mohammeds SAW wife)
* Rayhana - she was one of the Ummahat-al-Mu'mineen (Mother of the Believers).(prophet Mohammeds SAW wife)
* Banu Najjar "The Carpenter family" a Jewish family who converted to Islam under the Tree "Ansar allegience under the tree" and shook hands with the Prophet, and were the first Ansar muslims of Medina. among them was the fabled "Abu Ayyub al-Ansari"
* Abu Ayyub al-Ansari was the host of the Prophet when he immigrated to Medina. He participated and martyred in the First Siege of Constantinople at age over 80.
* "Jasser and Wife" the first martyrs of Islam, Sumayyah bint Khayyat and Yasir ibn Amir, were of the early believers of Muhammad in the fantastic Seven "Abu Bakr, Bilal, Uthman, Salman", who were seen accompany the Prophet in the early years of Islam, before Allah ordered the Prophet to actively declare Prophethood and the Call to Unbelievers that started the persecution of Muslims in last three years in Mecca of Misery to Prophet and Muslims, before Prophet flight to Medina "Hijra" where the Qahtanite Ansar welcomed him and defended him against the dominant Adnanite tribes the clan of Muhammad.
Kurdish
* Jaban Sahabi - he was better known as Jaban Al-Kurdi. In the year 18 after Hijra, he went back to Kurdistan to preach Islam in his homeland. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani mentions in his book Finding the Truth in Judging the Companions, 10 hadiths which are quoted by Jaban. His son Abu Basir was a Tabi'i.
Pashtun
* Qais Abdur Rashid - he is claimed to be a legendary ancestor of some Pashtun tribes, who traveled from Ghor, present-day central Afghanistan to Arabia to meet Muhammad and embraced Islam there, before returning to his people and introducing them to the faith.
Persian
* Salman al-Farsi - he was born in Persia but embarked on a long and continuous journey (away from his homeland) in search of the truth. He ultimately reached his destination in Arabia, when he met Muhammad and converted to Islam. It was his suggestion to build a trench in the Battle of the Trench that ultimately resulted in a defeat for the forces of the enemies of the Muslims.
* Fayruz al-Daylami - he was sent out by Muhammad to assassinate Aswad Ansi, who claimed prophethood in Yemen.
* Munabbih ibn Kamil- he was a Persian knight. He had two sons, who were both Islamic scholars.
* Salim Mawla Abu-Hudhayfah - he was a highly respected and valued Muslim (among his fellow Muslims), who died while fighting against the forces of Musaylimah during the Wars of Apostasy. Umar ibn al-Khattāb suggested he would have designated Salim as his successor to the Caliphate had he still been alive.
Tamil Chera
* Cheraman Perumal - he was a Chera king of South India (present-day Kerala) who traveled to Arabia and converted to Islam.
Assyrian
* Addas - he was a young Christian slave boy (originally from Nineveh) who was the first person from Taif to convert to Islam.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-Arab_Sahabah
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Tamil Chera
* Cheraman Perumal - he was a Chera king of South India (present-day Kerala) who traveled to Arabia and converted to Islam.
you see the Indian king traveled to Arabia to see for himself if the prophet Mohammed SAW is what his Hindu scriptures been talking about
* Cheraman Perumal - he was a Chera king of South India (present-day Kerala) who traveled to Arabia and converted to Islam.
you see the Indian king traveled to Arabia to see for himself if the prophet Mohammed SAW is what his Hindu scriptures been talking about
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I eat camel meat
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I wasn't at all surprised, honestly.
I've known this for a long time.
The church has recently released many articles or videos regarding controversial or misunderstood topics. They released a video about the under garments and temple ceremonial clothing last month.
Not lately.
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Well of course you support bein married to 14 year olds, you forcefully grope on little boys and call it mma lawlz
Everyday.
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its actually the other way around.....get it right
Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo
Mormon Underwear is the Temple Garment and is Sacred to Members
Both of those websites belong officially to the church. Funny enough, the temple garments essay has been around for years - the only new part being video and pictures, but it received more widespread attention that the totally new polygamy essay, which I find considerably more interesting.
The church has been publishing a number of articles and essays lately in an effort to be more transparent and in hopes lessening some misunderstandings and/or admitting past faults will make their church less likely to be wrongfully maligned.
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Khalid Ibn Al-Walid 592-642 (the sword of Allah) before his conversion to Islam and after his conversion
Khalid Ibn Al-Walid was a companion of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He is noted for his military tactics and prowess, commanding the forces of Medina under Muhammad and the forces of his immediate successors of the Rashidun Caliphate, Abu Bakr and Umar ibn Khattab.It was under his military leadership that Arabia, for the first time in history, was united under a single political entity, the Caliphate. Commanding the forces of the nascent Islamic State, Khalid was victorious in over a hundred battles, against the forces of the Byzantine-Roman Empire, Sassanid-Persian Empire, and their allies, in addition to other Arab tribes. His strategic achievements include the conquest of Arabia, Persian Mesopotamia and Roman Syria within several years from 632 to 636.
The Battle of Uhud (before his conversion)
The Battle of Uhud was fought on Saturday, March 19, 625 (3 Shawwal 3 AH in the Islamic calendar) at the valley located in front of Mount Uhud, in what is now northwestern Arabia. It occurred between a force from the Muslim community of Medina led by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and a force led by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb from Mecca, the town from which many of the Muslims had previously emigrated. The Battle of Uḥud was the second military encounter between the Meccans and the Muslims, preceded by the Battle of Badr in 624.
Marching out from Mecca towards Medina on March 11, 625 AD, the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount ‘Uḥud.
Whilst outnumbered, the Muslims gained the early initiative and forced the Meccan lines back, thus leaving much of the Meccan camp unprotected. When the battle looked to be only one step away from a decisive Muslim victory, a serious mistake was committed by a part of the Muslim army, which altered the outcome of the battle. A breach of Muhammad's orders by the Muslim archers, who left their assigned posts to despoil the Meccan camp, allowed a surprise attack from the Meccan cavalry, led by Meccan war veteran Khalid ibn al-Walid, which brought chaos to the Muslim ranks. Many Muslims were killed, and even Muhammad himself was badly injured. The Muslims had to withdraw up the slopes of ‘Uḥud. The Meccans did not pursue the Muslims further, but marched back to Mecca declaring victory.
For the Muslims, the battle was a significant setback: although they had been close to routing the Meccans a second time, their breach of Muhammad's orders in favor of collecting Meccan spoils reaped severe consequences. The two armies would meet again in 627 AD at the Battle of the Trench.
When Khalid ibn Al-Waleed converted to Islam
A peace agreement of ten years was concluded between the Muslims and Quraysh of Mecca at the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628. It has been recorded that Muhammad told Khalid's brother, Walid bin Walid, that: "A man like Khalid, can't keep himself away from Islam for long". Walid wrote letters to Khalid persuading him to convert. Khalid, who was not unduly drawn towards the idols of the Kaaba, decided to convert to Islam and is said to have shared this matter with his childhood friend Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl who opposed him. Khalid was threatened by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb with dire consequences, but was restrained by Ikrimah who is reported to have said: "Steady, O Abu Sufyan! Your anger may well lead me also to join Muhammad. Khalid is free to follow whatever religion he chooses".In May 629, Khalid set out for Medina. On the way he met 'Amr ibn al-'As and Uthman ibn Talhah, who were also going to Medina to convert to Islam. They arrived at Medina on 31 May 629 and went to the house of Muhammad. Khalid was received by his elder brother Walid bin al-Walid and was first among the three men to enter Islam.
The Battle of Mutah (after his conversion to Islam)
The Battle of Mutah was fought in 629 (5 Jumada al-awwal 8 AH in the Islamic calendar), near the village of Mu'tah, east of the Jordan River and Karak in Karak Governorate, between the forces of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad and the forces of the Eastern Roman Empire.
In Muslim histories, the battle is usually described as the Muslims' attempt to take retribution against a Ghassanid chief for taking the life of an emissary; it ended in a draw and the safe retreat of both sides.
According to later Muslim historians, Muhammad dispatched 3,000 of his troops to the area in Jumada al-awwal of the year 8 A.H., i.e., A.D. 629, for a quick expedition to attack and punish the tribes. The army was led by Zayd ibn Haritha; the second-in-command was Jafar ibn Abi Talib and the third-in-command was Abdullah ibn Rawahah.
The leader of the Ghassanids is said to have received word of the expedition and prepared his forces; he also sent to the Byzantines for aid. Muslim historians report that the Byzantine emperor Heraclius gathered an army and hurried to the aid of his Arab allies. Other sources say that the leader was the emperor's brother, Theodorus.[citation needed] The combined force of Roman soldiers and Arab allies is usually reported to be approximately 200,000.
When the Muslim troops arrived at the area to the east of Jordan and learnt of the size of the Byzantine army, they wanted to wait and send for reinforcements from Medina. Abdullah ibn Rawahah reminded them about their desire for martyrdom and questioned the move to wait when what they desire was awaiting them, so they continued marching towards the waiting army.
The Muslims engaged the Byzantines at their camp by the village of Musharif and then withdrew towards Mu'tah. It was here that the two armies fought. Some Muslim sources report that the battle was fought in a valley between two heights, which negated the Byzantines their numerical superiority. During the battle, all three Muslim leaders fell one after the other as they took command of the force: first, Zayd ibn Haritha, then Jafar ibn Abi Talib, then Abdullah ibn Rawahah. Al-Bukhari reported that there were fifty stab wounds in Jafar's body, none of them in the back. After the death of the latter, some of the Muslim soldiers began to rout. Thabit ibn Al-Arqam, seeing the desperate state of the Muslim forces, took up the banner and rallied his comrades, and managed to save the army from complete destruction. After the battle the troops asked Thabit ibn Al-Arqam to assume command; however, he declined and asked Khalid ibn al-Walid to take the lead.
Khalid ibn Al-Walid reported that the fighting was so intense that he used nine swords which broke in the battle. Khalid, seeing that the situation was hopeless, prepared to withdraw. He continued to engage the Byzantines in skirmishes, but avoided pitched battle. One night he completely changed his troop positions and brought forth a rearguard that he had equipped with new banners; all this was intended to give the impression that reinforcements had arrived from Medina. He also ordered his cavalry to retreat behind a hill during the night, hiding their movements, and then to return during daytime when the battle resumed, raising as much dust as they could. This also was intended to create the impression that further reinforcements were arriving. The Byzantines believed in the fictitious reinforcements and withdrew, thus allowing the Muslim force to safely retreat to Medina.
It is reported that when the Muslim force arrived at Medina, they were berated for apparently withdrawing and accused of fleeing. Salamah ibn Hisham is reported to have prayed at home rather than going to the mosque to avoid having to explain himself. Muhammad ordered them to stop, saying that they would return to fight the Byzantines again and bestowed upon Khalid the title of 'Saifullah' meaning 'The Sword of Allah'.
Dismissal of Khalid from command
On 22 August 634, Abu Bakr died, having made Umar, Khalid's cousin, his successor.[62] Umar's first move was to relieve Khalid from supreme command of Muslim Forces and appoint Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah as the new commander in chief of the Islamic army.[71] The relationship between Khalid and Umar had been tense since the incident of Malik ibn Nuwayrah. Khalid had become a trial of disbelief (because of his undefeated wars) for the Muslims as they had attributed the wins of battles to the personality and figure of Khalid; Umar was reported as saying:"I did not fire Khalid ibn al Waleed because I am angry with him or because of betrayal of trust or responsibility but the reason was just that I wanted people to know that it is Allah who gives victory".
Death
Although it is believed that relations between Umar and Khalid, cousins, were always something short of cordial, both of them apparently harboured no ill-will towards each other. Upon his death, he bequeathed his property to Umar and made him the executor of his will and estate.
Within less than four years of his dismissal, Khalid died and was buried in 642 in Emesa, where he lived since his dismissal from military services. His tomb is now part of a mosque called Khalid ibn al-Walid Mosque. Khalid's tombstone depicts a list of over 50 victorious battles that he commanded without defeat (not including small battles). It is said that he had wanted to die as a martyr in the field of battle, and was apparently disappointed when he knew that he would die in bed. Khalid expressed the pain of this sadness through one last, anguished sentence:
I've fought in so many battles seeking martyrdom that there is no spot in my body left without a scar or a wound made by a spear or sword. And yet here I am, dying on my bed like an old camel. May the eyes of the cowards never rest.
—Khalid ibn Walid
The wife of Khalid, upon feeling such a pain of her husband told Khalid: "You were given the title of 'Saif-ullah' meaning, 'The Sword of Allah' and, the sword of Allah is not meant to be broken and hence, it is not your destiny to be a 'martyr' but to die like a conqueror."
His Grave
Khalid Ibn Al-Walid was a companion of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He is noted for his military tactics and prowess, commanding the forces of Medina under Muhammad and the forces of his immediate successors of the Rashidun Caliphate, Abu Bakr and Umar ibn Khattab.It was under his military leadership that Arabia, for the first time in history, was united under a single political entity, the Caliphate. Commanding the forces of the nascent Islamic State, Khalid was victorious in over a hundred battles, against the forces of the Byzantine-Roman Empire, Sassanid-Persian Empire, and their allies, in addition to other Arab tribes. His strategic achievements include the conquest of Arabia, Persian Mesopotamia and Roman Syria within several years from 632 to 636.
The Battle of Uhud (before his conversion)
The Battle of Uhud was fought on Saturday, March 19, 625 (3 Shawwal 3 AH in the Islamic calendar) at the valley located in front of Mount Uhud, in what is now northwestern Arabia. It occurred between a force from the Muslim community of Medina led by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, and a force led by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb from Mecca, the town from which many of the Muslims had previously emigrated. The Battle of Uḥud was the second military encounter between the Meccans and the Muslims, preceded by the Battle of Badr in 624.
Marching out from Mecca towards Medina on March 11, 625 AD, the Meccans desired to avenge their losses at Badr and strike back at Muhammad and his followers. The Muslims readied for war soon afterwards and the two armies fought on the slopes and plains of Mount ‘Uḥud.
Whilst outnumbered, the Muslims gained the early initiative and forced the Meccan lines back, thus leaving much of the Meccan camp unprotected. When the battle looked to be only one step away from a decisive Muslim victory, a serious mistake was committed by a part of the Muslim army, which altered the outcome of the battle. A breach of Muhammad's orders by the Muslim archers, who left their assigned posts to despoil the Meccan camp, allowed a surprise attack from the Meccan cavalry, led by Meccan war veteran Khalid ibn al-Walid, which brought chaos to the Muslim ranks. Many Muslims were killed, and even Muhammad himself was badly injured. The Muslims had to withdraw up the slopes of ‘Uḥud. The Meccans did not pursue the Muslims further, but marched back to Mecca declaring victory.
For the Muslims, the battle was a significant setback: although they had been close to routing the Meccans a second time, their breach of Muhammad's orders in favor of collecting Meccan spoils reaped severe consequences. The two armies would meet again in 627 AD at the Battle of the Trench.
When Khalid ibn Al-Waleed converted to Islam
A peace agreement of ten years was concluded between the Muslims and Quraysh of Mecca at the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628. It has been recorded that Muhammad told Khalid's brother, Walid bin Walid, that: "A man like Khalid, can't keep himself away from Islam for long". Walid wrote letters to Khalid persuading him to convert. Khalid, who was not unduly drawn towards the idols of the Kaaba, decided to convert to Islam and is said to have shared this matter with his childhood friend Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl who opposed him. Khalid was threatened by Abu Sufyan ibn Harb with dire consequences, but was restrained by Ikrimah who is reported to have said: "Steady, O Abu Sufyan! Your anger may well lead me also to join Muhammad. Khalid is free to follow whatever religion he chooses".In May 629, Khalid set out for Medina. On the way he met 'Amr ibn al-'As and Uthman ibn Talhah, who were also going to Medina to convert to Islam. They arrived at Medina on 31 May 629 and went to the house of Muhammad. Khalid was received by his elder brother Walid bin al-Walid and was first among the three men to enter Islam.
The Battle of Mutah (after his conversion to Islam)
The Battle of Mutah was fought in 629 (5 Jumada al-awwal 8 AH in the Islamic calendar), near the village of Mu'tah, east of the Jordan River and Karak in Karak Governorate, between the forces of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad and the forces of the Eastern Roman Empire.
In Muslim histories, the battle is usually described as the Muslims' attempt to take retribution against a Ghassanid chief for taking the life of an emissary; it ended in a draw and the safe retreat of both sides.
According to later Muslim historians, Muhammad dispatched 3,000 of his troops to the area in Jumada al-awwal of the year 8 A.H., i.e., A.D. 629, for a quick expedition to attack and punish the tribes. The army was led by Zayd ibn Haritha; the second-in-command was Jafar ibn Abi Talib and the third-in-command was Abdullah ibn Rawahah.
The leader of the Ghassanids is said to have received word of the expedition and prepared his forces; he also sent to the Byzantines for aid. Muslim historians report that the Byzantine emperor Heraclius gathered an army and hurried to the aid of his Arab allies. Other sources say that the leader was the emperor's brother, Theodorus.[citation needed] The combined force of Roman soldiers and Arab allies is usually reported to be approximately 200,000.
When the Muslim troops arrived at the area to the east of Jordan and learnt of the size of the Byzantine army, they wanted to wait and send for reinforcements from Medina. Abdullah ibn Rawahah reminded them about their desire for martyrdom and questioned the move to wait when what they desire was awaiting them, so they continued marching towards the waiting army.
The Muslims engaged the Byzantines at their camp by the village of Musharif and then withdrew towards Mu'tah. It was here that the two armies fought. Some Muslim sources report that the battle was fought in a valley between two heights, which negated the Byzantines their numerical superiority. During the battle, all three Muslim leaders fell one after the other as they took command of the force: first, Zayd ibn Haritha, then Jafar ibn Abi Talib, then Abdullah ibn Rawahah. Al-Bukhari reported that there were fifty stab wounds in Jafar's body, none of them in the back. After the death of the latter, some of the Muslim soldiers began to rout. Thabit ibn Al-Arqam, seeing the desperate state of the Muslim forces, took up the banner and rallied his comrades, and managed to save the army from complete destruction. After the battle the troops asked Thabit ibn Al-Arqam to assume command; however, he declined and asked Khalid ibn al-Walid to take the lead.
Khalid ibn Al-Walid reported that the fighting was so intense that he used nine swords which broke in the battle. Khalid, seeing that the situation was hopeless, prepared to withdraw. He continued to engage the Byzantines in skirmishes, but avoided pitched battle. One night he completely changed his troop positions and brought forth a rearguard that he had equipped with new banners; all this was intended to give the impression that reinforcements had arrived from Medina. He also ordered his cavalry to retreat behind a hill during the night, hiding their movements, and then to return during daytime when the battle resumed, raising as much dust as they could. This also was intended to create the impression that further reinforcements were arriving. The Byzantines believed in the fictitious reinforcements and withdrew, thus allowing the Muslim force to safely retreat to Medina.
It is reported that when the Muslim force arrived at Medina, they were berated for apparently withdrawing and accused of fleeing. Salamah ibn Hisham is reported to have prayed at home rather than going to the mosque to avoid having to explain himself. Muhammad ordered them to stop, saying that they would return to fight the Byzantines again and bestowed upon Khalid the title of 'Saifullah' meaning 'The Sword of Allah'.
Dismissal of Khalid from command
On 22 August 634, Abu Bakr died, having made Umar, Khalid's cousin, his successor.[62] Umar's first move was to relieve Khalid from supreme command of Muslim Forces and appoint Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah as the new commander in chief of the Islamic army.[71] The relationship between Khalid and Umar had been tense since the incident of Malik ibn Nuwayrah. Khalid had become a trial of disbelief (because of his undefeated wars) for the Muslims as they had attributed the wins of battles to the personality and figure of Khalid; Umar was reported as saying:"I did not fire Khalid ibn al Waleed because I am angry with him or because of betrayal of trust or responsibility but the reason was just that I wanted people to know that it is Allah who gives victory".
Death
Although it is believed that relations between Umar and Khalid, cousins, were always something short of cordial, both of them apparently harboured no ill-will towards each other. Upon his death, he bequeathed his property to Umar and made him the executor of his will and estate.
Within less than four years of his dismissal, Khalid died and was buried in 642 in Emesa, where he lived since his dismissal from military services. His tomb is now part of a mosque called Khalid ibn al-Walid Mosque. Khalid's tombstone depicts a list of over 50 victorious battles that he commanded without defeat (not including small battles). It is said that he had wanted to die as a martyr in the field of battle, and was apparently disappointed when he knew that he would die in bed. Khalid expressed the pain of this sadness through one last, anguished sentence:
I've fought in so many battles seeking martyrdom that there is no spot in my body left without a scar or a wound made by a spear or sword. And yet here I am, dying on my bed like an old camel. May the eyes of the cowards never rest.
—Khalid ibn Walid
The wife of Khalid, upon feeling such a pain of her husband told Khalid: "You were given the title of 'Saif-ullah' meaning, 'The Sword of Allah' and, the sword of Allah is not meant to be broken and hence, it is not your destiny to be a 'martyr' but to die like a conqueror."
His Grave
WoodyO
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This.
Some members were rather shocked at the garment video.
I saw many comments of surprise and even disapproval from a lot of members. The fact is, the video and text do not violate any truly sacred nature of the garment although some people felt it did.
The Church is being more forthcoming with facts of the more unknown aspects of its history. In the past they have remained silent on these topics. Even in the very early days of the church, members participating in polygamous relationships publicly denied such things. Joseph Smith is on record as having not wanted to participate in polygamy many times, against the direction he said God was giving him. He even claimed God threatened him if he didn't comply as the article so points out.
The local paper that brought Joseph Smith's polygamy to the public eye ultimately lead to his execution. The controversial nature of the practice is why they tried to keep it private, and when it got out, it meant his death and he knew that.
Anyways, the church is being forthright with controversial topics and the otherwise ignorant public opinions are being informed. The real issue of this all is that many websites are dedicated to sharing controversial historical facts about the church, but the tone is that of attempting to use that information to convince people that such facts "prove" the church a fraud when in fact it doesn't really prove anything of the sort. All it is is facts. What was brought forth from a spiritual and doctrinal perspective is what really matters, regardless of the imperfections of the person God uses to do such things. And doctrinally the LDS church is by far the most accurate and complete teachings mirrored of those of Christ and his apostles during his time. That point is irrefutable. Even the esoterics of the temple have ancient literary evidence discovered 100 years after the death of Joseph Smith that corroborates such "unique" ideas and practices existed in Christ's (and his apostles) ministry. That's a very eye-opening fact.
Regardless of evidence that supposedly supports or refutes such things, spiritual truth and relationship to God is individual and is based on receiving such spiritual enlightenment from the holy spirit. Not from another person throwing facts in front of you and attempting to persuade or dissuade you from something based upon their interpretation of what those facts really determines.
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Fuck off java
Why? What's wrong with it?
bani-malik
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its a good washing
Nothing. The video was good.
We are instructed to not show people the garment, and to wear clothing that will appropriate cover it so that it is not visible publicly.
The temple robes are only worn inside the temple and seen nowhere else or in any other context except for when an endowed member (has participated in the temple proceedings and wears the garment) is dead. The temple robes are placed on the body prior to burial and are seen by anyone who attends an open casket funeral.
I guess some people felt that a video publicly displaying the clothing was quite abnormal and people felt the clothing was displayed in a context it doesn't belong.
I feel the video was very appropriate. It helps people understand that they really aren't that weird because they are similar to religious clothing of any faith and serve a similar purpose. It satisfies people's curiosity in an appropriate way I suppose.
There is more specific symbolism to the clothing that is not discussed in the video.
In general terms, the garment symbolizes a personal commitment to follow Christ. That's as specific as I can be, but there's really nothing more to it than that.
The temple robes are required to be worn while participating in priesthood ordinances only performed inside the temple. Again, the ordinances are all catered to the concept of the commitment of following Jesus. Not really a surprise.
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6. O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.
6. O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.
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I get laid no mater where I am
captain TM
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No comment !
I think everyone has a right to practice his religion !
If no one agree or have an open mind then he shouldn't bother responding to this thread if you don't agree then shut the f..u..c..k up !!!!
Peace !!!
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I think everyone has a right to practice his religion !
If no one agree or have an open mind then he shouldn't bother responding to this thread if you don't agree then shut the f..u..c..k up !!!!
Peace !!!
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mahal is 32
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all your comments are cuss words like your possessed by a Mexican jinni
