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Historic Math Problem solved!!! (Interesting article from C&C)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/22/math.genius.ap/index.html

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Fuck you samote I KNEW you'd click on this!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/08/22/math.genius.ap/index.html

Tuesday, August 22, 2006;
MADRID, Spain (AP) -- A reclusive Russian won an academic prize Tuesday for work toward solving one of history's toughest math problems, but he refused to accept the award -- a stunning renunciation of accolades from his field's top minds.

Grigory Perelman, a 40-year-old native of St. Petersburg, was praised for work in the field known as topology, which studies shapes, and for a breakthrough that might help scientists figure out nothing less than the shape of the universe.

But besides shunning the medal, academic colleagues say he also seems uninterested in a separate, $1 million prize he might be awarded for his feat. It had proved a theorem about the nature of multidimensional space that has stumped people for 100 years.

The Fields Medal was announced at the International Congress of Mathematicians, an event held every four years, this time in Madrid.

Three other mathematicians -- another Russian, a Frenchman and an Australian -- also won Fields honors this year. They received their awards from King Juan Carlos to loud applause from delegates to the conference. But Perelman was not present.

"I regret that Dr. Perelman has declined to accept the medal," said John Ball, president of the International Mathematical Union, which is holding the convention.

Perelman's work is still under review, but no one has found any serious flaw in it, the union said in a statement.

Ball later told The Associated Press he did not interpret Perelman's decision to shun the medal as an insult to the world's top math brains. "I am sure he did not mean it that way," he said.

"He has his reasons," Ball added, without saying what they might be.

The riddle Perelman tackled is called the Poincare conjecture, which essentially says that in three dimensions, a doughnut shape cannot be transformed into a sphere without ripping it, although any shape without a hole can be stretched or shrunk into a sphere.

The prize money is separate and will be decided in about two years by a private foundation, the Clay Mathematics Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, after other academics have analyzed Perelman's work.

If his proof stands the test of time, Perelman will win all or part of the $1 million prize money. In 2000, the institute announced bounties for seven unresolved, historic math problems, including the one Perelman tackled.

Two weeks ago, academics began analyzing Perelman's work, which draws heavily from a technique developed by another mathematician, Richard Hamilton of Columbia University. The institute says it could conceivably share the money.
 
Awesome.

But not as awesome as the other story about them soon being able to make a material people could wear to make themselves invisible.
 
hmmm.. an equation used to prove something that cant be proven.


anyone else see a problem with this.

I swear some of this math they come up with is mental masturbation. Dont get me wrong I really respect the intelligence and the years of study to master it.

But Id like to see how all this multi dimensional math has any practical application,

Samoth? throw me a bone here.. all this string theory, quantum physics, sub atomic particles..

what useful human advancement has come of it?

not to say we shouldnt pursue it.. but Im really curious here. Just want to know something has come of all of it.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
hmmm.. an equation used to prove something that cant be proven.


anyone else see a problem with this.

I swear some of this math they come up with is mental masturbation. Dont get me wrong I really respect the intelligence and the years of study to master it.

But Id like to see how all this multi dimensional math has any practical application,

Samoth? throw me a bone here.. all this string theory, quantum physics, sub atomic particles..

what useful human advancement has come of it?

not to say we shouldnt pursue it.. but Im really curious here. Just want to know something has come of all of it.
you hit the nail on the head bro. mental masturbation, someone needs to do a thesis on that!
 
How does furthering our understanding about the nature of the universe, and solving a problem no one else has ever been able to manage, qualify as mental masturbation?
 
well phenom.. ifit serves no practical purpose and is basically done just for the sake of doing it.. its mental masturbation.

care to explain to me how knowing the shape of the universe and whether or not matter with a hole in it can be compressed to a sphere without ripping it has any practical application when we cant even get past the internal combustion engine and still use "rocket engines" to travel through space?

how about an equation that provides the most efficient shape for an intake valve? or the most efficient volume for a mechanical heart? or the ideal enzyme to deactivate HIV?

but then again.. I cant balance my checkbook so what the fuck do I know LOL
 
milo hobgoblin said:
hmmm.. an equation used to prove something that cant be proven.


anyone else see a problem with this.

I swear some of this math they come up with is mental masturbation. Dont get me wrong I really respect the intelligence and the years of study to master it.

But Id like to see how all this multi dimensional math has any practical application,

Samoth? throw me a bone here.. all this string theory, quantum physics, sub atomic particles..

what useful human advancement has come of it?

not to say we shouldnt pursue it.. but Im really curious here. Just want to know something has come of all of it.

"Bernard of Chartres used to say that we are like dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, so that we can see more than they, and things at a greater distance, not by virtue of any sharpness on sight on our part, or any physical distinction, but because we are carried high and raised up by their giant size."

Translation: All the abstract esoteric math and physics builds a foundation that we can use to better understand the world around us.

Here's an example: The computer you're using to read this right now is based on integrated circuit chips that are the culmination of very esoteric physics, chemistry, mathematics and electrical engineering.

And on a side note if it werent' for the electrical engineers, the physicists would still be fucking around trying to determine the theoretical minimum feature size for the transistors instead of building these wonderful machines!
 
Here's an example: The computer you're using to read this right now is based on integrated circuit chips that are the culmination of very esoteric physics, chemistry, mathematics and electrical engineering

LOL.. err no its really not. IC's were developed using very simple math and chemistry. The "CONCEPT" is very "esoteric"..

you realize the first ICs were just an extension of simple transistors? The used ACID to etch them with templates on multi layered silcone germanium chips (spent me a few years getting me an edumucatrion in EE when I joined the corp. College if the desert baby LOL) was kind of basic but a really good primer on IC history.

ICs are actually VERY simple devices.. they are just very very very very small. Pentiums arent much mroe than a bunch of 386 chips in parallel

check out some IC chip history sites .. actually really interesting.

BTW the electronics on your motherboard are fairly simple.. and not very elegant. Take a look at all the caps on there LOL..

oh I had to edit to add.. while the tech behind the chips isnt all that and a bag of chips

I think teh "high end shit" your talking about are the high end spectrum lasers (which have crazy small wavelengths) used to etch the chips. (they stopped using "acids" 30 years ago.)
 
You argue over false choices.

It isn't a choice between this or that.

The man did something no one else could in over a hundred years. Kudos to him. He expanded our understanding of what is possible in the universe.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
LOL.. err no its really not. IC's were developed using very simple math and chemistry. The "CONCEPT" is very "esoteric"..

you realize the first ICs were just an extension of simple transistors? The used ACID to etch them with templates on multi layered silcone germanium chips (spent me a few years getting me an edumucatrion in EE when I joined the corp. College if the desert baby LOL) was kind of basic but a really good primer on IC history.

ICs are actually VERY simple devices.. they are just very very very very small. Pentiums arent much mroe than a bunch of 386 chips in parallel

check out some IC chip history sites .. actually really interesting.

BTW the electronics on your motherboard are fairly simple.. and not very elegant. Take a look at all the caps on there LOL..
The original NPN / PNP discovery was simple math and chemisty.

Today's ultra-small feature size is a different story. The chips we grind-out en masse today are the result of a ton of theoretical work that was done before the first chip was attempted.
 
milo hobgoblin said:
Samoth? throw me a bone here.. all this string theory, quantum physics, sub atomic particles..

what useful human advancement has come of it?

not to say we shouldnt pursue it.. but Im really curious here. Just want to know something has come of all of it.

Oh my, I don't even know where to begin.

If you're really curious, pick up a paperback by Gribbons or Barrow.

People laughed when Maxwell promulgated the laws of electrodynamics... look where it got us now: Television, computers, cars, planes, phones, military defence, ad nauseum... everything we take for granted started in the same way.

Our great-great-grandmothers couldn't possibly fathom the invent of the nuclear bomb. Who's to say what will come in the next several decades? We may be a ways off from a Dyson sphere, but look at how far we've come since the late 1800's. It really is amazing.




:cow:
 
Razorguns said:
interesting.

now maybe they can have a competition to find a cure for cancer.
exactly. why are they worried about how to turn a donut into a sphere when people are dying from cancer and viruses, lets learn how to corral that.
 
Damn! That dude looks like a Klingon... :worried:

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Lestat said:
exactly. why are they worried about how to turn a donut into a sphere when people are dying from cancer and viruses, lets learn how to corral that.
thanks lestat will do.
 
JarHed said:
Damn! That dude looks like a Klingon... :worried:

vert.perelman.ap.jpg


he kinda looks like that crazy dude that had the "perfect game" on pacman way back when haha.

I turn doughnuts into sphere's all the fucking time. You put one in your hand and squeeze it together.. WHERE THE FUCK is my medal?
 
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