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High Var dose = more gains?

dr0832

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I have decided to do a var only cycle for my first cycle and probably only one I will do, although who knows. I have been doing research for past 6 months and I've realize everyone says to use 40-60mg ed for about 8 weeks. What I am wondering is why you need to take so much because I was planning to do something like 25mg ed for 6 weeks? I am not a competive bodybuilder and I don't care to put on more then 10lbs at one time because it seems it would be too obvious to people such as my employer, or family members. Does taking 50mg rather then 25mg really give you twice the gains in lbm?
 
there is supposidly some type of thresh-hold to wear you can get strength at the lower dose but the actual visible body mass shifts occur with higher dose 30 mgs and above

note: 70-80 mgs should be the upper most limit to take any more would not do any better

I got this info from Huck
 
so your saying if I take only 25mg I will get increased strength but I won't see any shift in visible body mass even on a first cycle? If so I guess that would be pretty pointless since i don't really care about strength. If i were to cut the cycle down to 5 weeks and and bump the dose to 35mg would that make a big difference? Like I said before I am not looking for a dramatic change which will cause people to say "damn have you been using steroids?"
 
The dosage depends on your weight. If you are a 250 lbs person you obviously need more than if you are 150 lbs guy.
The dosages you read usually come from people who have been training for a while and their weight is 200 lbs or more.

For a newbie, the maximum should be (Body Weight)x(0.2)=Daily dose in mg.

Assuming that you are training and eating correctly, you should be gaining about 1lbs per week give or take.

Oh, and when you finish the cycle come and tell us if this would still be your one and only cycle. :)
 
you don't blow up on var like you would on dianabol or testosterone. it's more subtle.

if i were you, i'd pony up and buy enough to run 40mg/day for 8 weeks. if you're going to run a cycle, what's the point in half assing it?
 
dr0832 said:
so your saying if I take only 25mg I will get increased strength but I won't see any shift in visible body mass even on a first cycle? ?"
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I can't say I don't have the requisite experience to tell you a definitaive yes or no on the LOWER dose

the info I shared came form Huck :) which is True


on a side note my first cycle was a measily 300 mgs of primo with like 15-25 mgs of dbol a day (all in the am)

and I blew up just fine thanks :)
 
anyone else have any knowledge on this matter. I am not a competive bodybuilder just a guy looking to build a little extra lBM and I am am also a highly competive tennis player so the added strength gains will be great although not as important.
 
listen dude, stop being a wuss, lol.
40mg is not gonna get you 20lbs if you are really lucky you might get 11-12lbs. realistic----about 6-8lbs. now are your---co-workers, family members gonna freak out and accuse you of using steroids from 8lbs of mass?
do 40mg a day, and if you start getting to big, just taper the dosage down just a little..... hows that sound? yes you will need 40 to get any mass.
 
georgie, you act like im against the man or something, i my self just started a var only cycle, and would love it if i gained 20lbs off it. but then again, if i set myself to believing that, at the end, id just be one sad fuck, lol.
shit we could even have like a little compitition, to see who gains the most off their cycle?????
i myself, cant use creatine, so im at a big disadvantage, but my diet is rock solid, and my training is intense. so there you go doc, you do 40mg just like me for 8 weeks, and we can motivate eachother to beat eachother, lol. wait that sounds gay, buut you know what i mean, lol.
 
ok georgie, as soon as you send me some REAL fucking primo we're on. cuz i cant find any. but your more than welcome to go spend some cash and jump in this compitition with doc and i??
ill eat eat you both up :chomp:
 
Bro dont worry at all. If you get legit var you will not blow up like crazy. No one will notice that you have gained a couple of pounds. Var does not bloat you. Im sure you could use 100mgs of var and not gain enough for people to say you are on roids(Never do that much by the way)
Go with 40mgs everyday and dont worry about a thing.
 
dr0832 said:
anyone else have any knowledge on this matter. I am not a competive bodybuilder just a guy looking to build a little extra lBM and I am am also a highly competive tennis player so the added strength gains will be great although not as important.
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30 - 40 mgs ED for 6 weeks should provide you with the added bonus you are looking for.

Make sure you take your supplements if you are worried about liver toxicity.

You should have no problems.

Best of luck.
 
Would 40-60mgs/day of var be enough to preserve lean muscle mass during the co-administration of 12.5-25 mcgs of cytomel for increased protein synthesis.
I read all of Huck's posts regarding ox. Oh, BTW thanks huck, as I am considered legally blind now.lol.
I would incorporate the addition of micronized creatine at 5gms before workouts and 5gms. after, accompanied by a high protein diet 300 grams/day.
Thanks for any feedback.

B32
 
b1ewsw32 said:
Would 40-60mgs/day of var be enough to preserve lean muscle mass during the co-administration of 12.5-25 mcgs of cytomel for increased protein synthesis.
I read all of Huck's posts regarding ox. Oh, BTW thanks huck, as I am considered legally blind now.lol.
I would incorporate the addition of micronized creatine at 5gms before workouts and 5gms. after, accompanied by a high protein diet 300 grams/day.
Thanks for any feedback.

B32
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With a slight adjustment to your calories and macronutrient ratios, I see no reason why 12.5 - 25 mcgs of cytomel would cause any trouble with muscle preservation.

12.5 should be enough for that added boost. Although, I have never had any problems at 25 mcgs.
 
Jenetic said:
With a slight adjustment to your calories and macronutrient ratios, I see no reason why 12.5 - 25 mcgs of cytomel would cause any trouble with muscle preservation.

12.5 should be enough for that added boost. Although, I have never had any problems at 25 mcgs.
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Did you run just var with the 25mcgs, or were you using other AAS?
What were your goals and results with this cycle?

Thanks..B32
 
i dont think it will matter past 70mg. i was doing 75md/ed and that was overdosed so i was doing alot. i did 60mg/ed of BD and i seen better gains. But Bd is a better product in my opinion then Orbit.
 
b1ewsw32 said:
Would 40-60mgs/day of var be enough to preserve lean muscle mass during the co-administration of 12.5-25 mcgs of cytomel for increased protein synthesis.
I read all of Huck's posts regarding ox. Oh, BTW thanks huck, as I am considered legally blind now.lol.
I would incorporate the addition of micronized creatine at 5gms before workouts and 5gms. after, accompanied by a high protein diet 300 grams/day.
Thanks for any feedback.

B32
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along with the creatine when my peptides come back into AF in 9 days you would be most wise to stack it together

trust me, I am not plugging my product either :) though it may look like it....

your going to need the protien and glutamine where you can get it

see OX workds supremely well with SKY HIGH protien....

the peptides I am talkign about not only have the glutamine needed but a large mega dose of protien

for example I just weighed 3 huge table spoons on the digi scale (thats right table spoons)

and in wieghed about 100 grams.....so that equals = about 33 GRAMS of Glutamine+ 66 grams of PROTIEN :rose:


with the T-3 that woudl be great was pallning on doing the same :)

25mcgs a day

OX is the nly knows anabolic to increase visceral fat loss, and one can only imagine the added benifit with a small dose of T-3
 
Oh fat loss is only visceral, not subcultaneous? On another note for this moron calling me a pussy, you should go back and actualy read all my posts in this thread. I am a competive tennis player. I could not afford to gain 20+ lbs. You ever watch tennis on tv? You ever see a 220lb guy playing? I don't think so. I am looking to gain at the most about 10lbs but 8 lbs would be fine. If I feel I like being on gear and want to gain more then I will do another cycle. I am not a competive body builder, never will be one, and have no need to gain ever single possible lbs of LBM that I can for my the money I spend. I don't want to blow up because I don't see any point in that.
 
vicreral fat is mui beueno :) the sub Q I would imagine goes along with the whole system wide fat loss that usually accompanies training and diet....
 
dude what the hell....
you wont be able to gain 20lbm on var alone even if you wanted to!
so get that through your head!
var does not make you blow up!
i know a few professional tennis players personally from south africa that have used var!
they didnt blow up!
maybe you should be on a tennis forum buddy.
 
... you dont need to cycle to gain 8 lbs
you just need to workout.

If you dont want to put on weight too rapidly, and you only want about 8 lbs, and after this cycle anymore weight would be counter to your goals in tenis.

why not just train naturally for a few months. Its not like 8 lbs is hard to gain without the sauce. especially if your a smaller guy, like your making yourself out to be
 
Alright, this is changing the topic slightly... If 30-40 mg./day is needed for 6 weeks to see any mass benifits from var alone, how many mg. minimum per day is needed when added to 300mg. test per week? - for a bare bones minimum dose cycle. 20mg/day? 25?


Jacob
 
Omega are you talking about losing vicreral while cutting only on var or both bulking and cutting? The problem with gaining naturally is I gain fat as well, and I eat and extremely clean diet. To gain 10lbs of muscle I will also gain a bunch of fat, its inevitable. I can not afford to gain this extra weight because of tennis. It slows me down way to much have excess body fat.

And to be honest why I am on here and not on a tennis forum is because I am trying to build up my body, while most tennis players just cut all fat and don't lift heavy weights ever. Also playing tennis at the level I do (satelite and challenger tour), which is just below the ATP tour, is far more difficult then almost all other sports in my opinon. I don't wanna argue though. This threads already been cluttered.
 
dr0832

Var would be ideal for you goals IMHO.

On a side note, don't you worry about drug testing in your sport?
 
good doc, i dont wanna argue with you. anavar sounds like the perfect roid dor your sport and situation. i know what you mean about gaining the fat whilst bulking, i have the same problem. its just our genetic make up i guess. tennis is a hard sport at that level, but so is any other sport at a pro level. i hope things work out for you.
dr0832 said:
Omega are you talking about losing vicreral while cutting only on var or both bulking and cutting? The problem with gaining naturally is I gain fat as well, and I eat and extremely clean diet. To gain 10lbs of muscle I will also gain a bunch of fat, its inevitable. I can not afford to gain this extra weight because of tennis. It slows me down way to much have excess body fat.

And to be honest why I am on here and not on a tennis forum is because I am trying to build up my body, while most tennis players just cut all fat and don't lift heavy weights ever. Also playing tennis at the level I do (satelite and challenger tour), which is just below the ATP tour, is far more difficult then almost all other sports in my opinon. I don't wanna argue though. This threads already been cluttered.
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So is their any chance that I can lose body fat while putting on muscle? I am already at 9-10% so I am not talking lose a lot of fat maybe a few lbs during a 6 week cycle of var? Is they any supps that can be added to help lose fat while bulking sucks as Acetyl-L-caritine or something that helps to metabolize fat?
 
I'm planning on beginning my first cycle soon. I've done my homework and know most of what I need to. I went to order my supplies ( sus 250, and anavar) when i noticed that anavar was much more expensive than Oxavet QV, and Oxavet QV 5. From what I read this is vetinary anavar and found no difference between them. Is there something that I'm overlooking? I plan the first week and last week of the 8 week cycle I'll take 250/ mg of sus and the inbetween weeks 500/mg. If I was to cycle with anavar what dose would be sufficient to stack with?

Stats:
5'7
141
8% body fat
 
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