High BF% and AAS

[habitual]

I have a workout partner who has dabbled in AAS before and like me, his previous cycles have been poorly put together mostly b/c of poor education on the subject of AAS. He is roughly around 18% BF and he is motovated to use AAS b/c of my upcoming cycle. He has no computer acess at home to view sites like ours so if you could put in your 2 cc's I could print it off and let him review. With that in mind what are the downfalls of using AAS at such a high BF%? Please share your knowledge so that I may not only educate him, but convince him to hold off until he sheds BF. Thanks everyone.

Semper Fi,
Habitual

 

[P-CURLS]

Ok, this is just my opinion, but 18% is not that high. assuming that it is a correct measurment. if he were over 25% I would say hold off and diet down till around 15%. 18% is not an unhealthy #. it can be improved upon with a clean diet. check out the diet board, and see some examples. Just read everything you can, and plan everything down to the last detail. meals, workouts, supps, and lastly the cycle. if the first 3 are in check then he is good to go. good luck.

 

[moose11]

if he wants to do it then no matter what anyone says hes going to. plus like p-curls said 18% is THAT high. have him lean towards a test/tren cycle. the tren will cut him down so long as his diet and cardio are on. if hes ur gym partner hes not gonna want to stand by and watch u grow 3Xs faster than him. educate him on a good cutting cycle

 

[nydj66]

I concur that 18% is not that high. I was probably close to that when I started AAS and I have just gotten below 10% for the first time last month.

Keep in mind that testosterone is converted to estrogen in the body fat so an anti-estrogen is a very good idea for your friend if he decides to use AAS.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

18 is not too high.

 

[Christianlifter]

18 is not too high.

Agreed.
He could however get a fat-burning stack from the AF store. (Or something comparable)
Thats what Im doing pre-cycle, and my BF is 14%
Just a thought.

God Bless

 

[justinjones1963]

Depends on what gear he wants to use - I was 25%+ BF when I did my last cutting cycle and I dropped around 18 pounds during the cycle and I am down 28 pounds total since November. I kept calories to 2000 per day (I am eating 1800 now) and my strength went through the roof - I also can feel I have more muscle. Have him stick with var, winny or something else that is mild. EQ possibly but I hear the hunger pains are a a killer and that may make him want to eat.

Diet and cardio is what will get the weight down though - not AAS.

On another note I am not going to hit a bulking cycle until I am near 15% though - I have about 10lbs to go.

Like they said above - AF store has tons of goodies too.

 

[habitual]

Appreciate it fellas, I agree that he will not want to stand the hell by while I blow the fuck up. He will be satisfied to know that his BF is not an issue and I am satisfied in knowing that we can start our cyces together. I will do my best to steer him in the right direction.

Justin what did your cutter look like? Looks like you have made pretty good progress. What AI's did you run?


Moosell, where is the ISMIT that the picture was taken.. looks familiar.

 

[flyingjer]

tren is a good stack but there are some sides that come along with it, an good anti-oestrogens would be a-dex or aromasin as an AI and nolva on hand for gyno. good luck

 

[BigCracker]

Is he a heavy drinker? smoker? What's his base physique like? What lifestyle changes will he be making once starting AS? Will he do cardio? What's his current diet like?

My weight probably fluctuates more than anyones on this board. Give me more 411 and I'll give you my 2cc's worth.

 

[moose11]

Appreciate it fellas, I agree that he will not want to stand the hell by while I blow the fuck up. He will be satisfied to know that his BF is not an issue and I am satisfied in knowing that we can start our cyces together. I will do my best to steer him in the right direction.

Justin what did your cutter look like? Looks like you have made pretty good progress. What AI's did you run?


Moosell, where is the ISMIT that the picture was taken.. looks familiar.

Pendleton...Las Pulgas bring back some memories? lol

 

[swordfish151]

18% is not high, but it also depends on the compounds he wants to take. If he wants to gain mass and cycle sust/deca (example) then i wouldnt recommend it due to the fact that while bulking, even if you "clean" bulk you gain some fat. What he may want to consider is to re-evalute his diet, to write it down and clearly see what he is doing right and what he is doing wrong...

 

[habitual]

He doesn't drink, his diet habbits are like my habits........eats clean but could use some tweaking, he is 5'11'' and has a stocky frame, broad shoulders and barrel chested. He lacks in the cardio dept. so that is where we differ I just got out of the Marine Corps and I still run 3 miles/eod he is lucky to complete a mile. We usually stick to sprint intervals and stadium work. He has been lifting about 5years solid and played around in High school as a teen.


Moosell - yeah, spent quite a bit of time there. Coaches Course and running recruits through during dry fire week.

 

[justinjones1963]

Justin what did your cutter look like? Looks like you have made pretty good progress. What AI's did you run?

I did winny oral for roughly 7 weeks 50mg/ED (I initially wanted to do 6 weeks but I had to extend it due to finals - didn't want to quit in the middle of that and deal with the lethargy)

PCT was clomid or 3 weeks with trib, maca and a few other odds and ends. My nolva got thrown in the trash by accident by my S.O. - no big deal. I felt fine after and my strength has continually gone up since.

One week after the cycle I threw in clen for two weeks 40mcg day 1/80mcg day 2&3/120mcg for the rest of the period - I went up to 200mcg one day - my clen didn't give me the kick it has in the past - it may have been a bad batch or I have built up a resistance to it (not sure what happened really). Before this the last time I used clen was over one year ago. There is a lot of discussion regarding using clen for PCT - I use it occassionally for PCT and I cannot complain.

My diet was solid: 100-150g carbs/275-350g protein/50-75g fat. Calories was limited to 2000.

I did take CLA, Hydroxycut and a few other supps during it. I am going to hit the AF store next and try out their stack.

Also I drank 1-2 gallons of water a day.

 

[moose11]

just stick him on a good cutter and educate him....if he's ur partner just push him...i know u know how ;-) if u need anything just let me know devil

 

[habitual]

Moosell .. appreciate the advice, that is what I miss about the Corps. Oh yeah and the smell of carbon and CLP on the firing line with my trusty canteen cup full of field grade coffee. Good Shit!

I got so motovated today I gave him my old computer that I use for file storage so he can have acess to Elite.

Semper Fi,
Habitual

 

[moose11]

haha good man!

 

[harbinator]

I fail to see why bodyfat means diddly squat on the effects of a steroid cycle. Sure you may not be able to SEE your muscles getting ripped to shreds but the strength gains WILL build mass under the fat. I mean powerlifters and WSMs are well over 20% some 400lb and they cycle roids almost as heavy as professional bodybuilders.

Bodyfat has nothing to do with the impact roids will have unless, he is taking them to try and get cut up, because they aren't a miracle drug.

 

[moose11]

I fail to see why bodyfat means diddly squat on the effects of a steroid cycle. Sure you may not be able to SEE your muscles getting ripped to shreds but the strength gains WILL build mass under the fat. I mean powerlifters and WSMs are well over 20% some 400lb and they cycle roids almost as heavy as professional bodybuilders.

Bodyfat has nothing to do with the impact roids will have unless, he is taking them to try and get cut up, because they aren't a miracle drug.

good point

 

[slat1]

Get his diet in check. At 18% he obviously has no idea how to eat.
You both want to get maximum results from you cycle. You get that by eating right.
18% is not bad for the average person. If it was me I would kill myself. I am fucked in the head though. I am just about suicidal when I go over 10%... which I am now!

 

[habitual]

I agree with you on the fact that one would still gain muscle and strength but I am concerned with the fact that if he cannot stick to a solid diet plan then how could he fully benefit fully from AAS. No doubt he busts his ass in the gym. I know when I am cycling I am motovated to stick to my diet plan. That's just me, my downfall is that I tend to slack on my diet when off.
I still have a lot to learn, thanks for your replies.

Semper Fi,
Habitual