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RustyTromboneMan

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Im a younger guy, 21 years old with cycle experience. Im 5 foot 10 inches and weigh 215lbs. I got measured at 12% bodyfat, but who the fuck knows how accurate that is. I do abs, eat pretty clean, and do occasional cardio but not a lot(Scared to lose muscle) I really ant to shred my body up. I wanna be at about 8% bodyfat with nice abs. My biggest problem, is that I dont want to lose any muscle.

What is the best way to approach this? I have heard many people say Growth hormone is great and would be perfect, while others say I am way too young. I have also considered combining Winny, Fina, ox in some way, not neccesarrily all at the same time. I have also considered DNP but the whole muscle loss thing scares me

Lets hear some opinions guys

Thanks in advance
 
you say you have cycle experience...well exactly how many and what did you take, cause imo to take growth properly you need to run a gram of test, another androgen like dbol, and highly anabolic AS like deca, t3, and insulin. so you dont waste you money on the gh
you are correct, gh is the best thing to take when you wanna lose bodyfat and not lose muscle. you also have to have the money run it for 16 weeks.

just my opinion i am sure other will have theirs.
 
As far as cycle experince, I have done 1 bullshit one and 2 good ones. As far as doses I try not to go to high. I have never gone over 500 mg of test per week and I have stacked up to 3 seperate steroids at once. Although I do not know much about growth hormone, I was under the impression that taking Test with it was for maximum growth. I am mainly looking to cut.

Also, as far as money goes nothing is a problem. I have a good connection for hgh as well as juice. The only thing that is a little high is var

keep em commen
 
You could run a cycle of Primobolin, which is highly anabolic yet having low androgenic properties.
It is very effective on low-calorie diets and may keep you from going catabolic...
Maybe include no more than 20mg ed of Halo as an amount greater than this may aromatize.

I can run just about any AS while eating very clean and doing cardio for an hour every day and training hard and I get shredded and hard with full muscle bellies... And I'm an old fucker of 39...
 
I have thought about primo, but I keep hearing that it is faked very often. What dosage would you reccomend and how would you stack it. I actually thought of running primo with dnp to preserve muscle while burning fat. I figured it would be good because it doesnt shut me down
 
Actually Primobolin is $$ when compared to most AS's. Since most want maximum strength and growth, it is not that popular. I think (correct me if wrong) it is about $15 per cc, which is only 50mg. Thus, to run 300mg a week (arbitrary), it would be costly versus a redii-ject of sus 250 at $10...

As for DNP -- while effective, you will be down for at least a week... Some people can't handle the misery one will experience. I think you training sucks for a period of time 'cause you feel like shit. However, "Everything affects everyone differently."

Do a search on DNP to get particulars... There are many experienced users on this board. Using DNP off-the-bat for you may be like trying to put a thumbtack in with a sledgehammer...\

Do more cardio!!
 
1. I do think that you are young for GH but you already know that.

2. I have done winny....just because everyone says its a cutting drug it doesn't mean it eats fat. It just means that your not going to swell up like a ballon like when on dbol. so those drugs are not the answer.

3. HGH will HELP you to get lean but you still have to do cardio and eat clean.

I have been taking GH and yeah it helps but like anything else it takes time and you have to do the rest of it (diet, cardio etc.) to get the results that you want.

Your next cycle should be EQ and Test. be sure to take arimidex with it so you don't get bloated. Do cardio for 35 min. (~500 calories) 3-4 times a week. You will get lean bro....but you gotta bust ass! When I am on that machine...I put on the tunes...close my eyes and picture in my mind what I want to look like. I think to myself...the harder you train the faster you will get there!

That gets me jacked....take the money you would spend on GH and invest in an MP3 player or something like that...get some tunes.

Good luck to you bro.....just keep at it and it will happen.

p.s. I was just measured at 8.7% BF and I don't look that lean! Your 21....your muscles will change and mature over the next 5 years + and you will look the way that you want...just give it some time.
 
I am running GH right now for the first time with Test E., Tren and winny. I like it so far. Taking 4.5 IU/day.
I think it depends on your expectations and your goals whether you like it or not. Expect to have an easier time getting lean. I do not think it gives size at all.... it must be used with AS.
However, I am not using thyroid or insulin and I'm happy cause all i want is to get lean
 
In your case at your age I would not advise GH!!
Why not run a cycle of T3 / Clen and low to moderate dosage of Test to protect from muscle loss?? You of course can also through in arimidex to mitigate any water retention. But if the test dosage is low the arimidex will be unnecessary...
The above combo with moderate cardio 3x times a week 20 -30 minute intervals, works wonders on me...
 
You better be getting that gh very damn cheap for it to be worth using at your stage in the anabolic game. I have an extremely good source for gh, which is the main reason I decided to give it a try. I have been taking it for about 26 weeks now starting at 6iu/day and I am now taking 12iu/day. I am only 24 and I have seen results but I will probably end up weighing 5-10 pounds more than I weighed at my last contest 2 years ago and that could be attributed to increasing my steroid dosage. - cbeaks
 
I can get GH for $450 but in a few months I will be able to get it at 350. Im pretty sure because of the amount that will be getting the price will be dropping. Assuming this shortage does not play an annoying role.
 
Wondering why everyone is advising against GH because he is younger? Is it that you think it won't work as well on him since he isn't older with diminishing levels?

I am in my 20's and stay on GH for long lengths of time and usually year round and I grow as well or better than friends in there 30's taking the same stuff! I love it and find it a great tool for BB! I don't think its good for someone that jusr wants a little muscle to impress the girls but if you are really serious about BB it is good at almost any age! Most of the guys that use GH are older and I like the fact that I am younger and use it with not so many other people using it!

For the person who wrote this thread I would adbise against it because it seems like you have alot of potential left with some good old steroids! Get 4-5 more cycles under you before you hit the GH!
 
Re: That makes no sense

RustyTromboneMan said:
Why would I need more cycles under my belt?What does one thing have to do with another?
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right...why would more cycles help him? It's either going to work or it isn't.
 
You are right, it will either work or not work. I think everyone is just saying that he should wait until he hits a plateau and needs to use it to break through it since upping his AAS dosage will be much cheaper than adding GH. If money isn't a factor in my opinion I say go for it. - cbeaks
 
Re: Re: That makes no sense

It will work eitger way but he can still make great gains from AS alone!

Like I said I am in my 20's and use GH and by the time I used GH I used most steroids out there!

Would your advice to him be to use insulin??? Sure, why not it will give him size... he doesn't need it or HGH with the little cycles he has done!

Do some more cycles and save the GH for later when it will feel better to add it! sorry with only 3 cycles and not heavy ones at that why add GH when all it is gonna do is give you a little muscle and lean you down!

monkeyballs said:


right...why would more cycles help him? It's either going to work or it isn't.
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- Gearedup

Steroids do not shred fat, while GH does that is my reason for looking into it. I know one guy who said that he started using gh at 28 and if he would have known how good it was sooner he would have started when he was 20. If this is the case and money is not an issue than I figure why not go for it. But if because Im young I wont get good results or Ill have to worry about side effects than its not worth it
 
The reasons they are saying to hold of is that there is some risk in taking growth at that age. It is a small chance but if tyhe growth plates have not closed yet., there can be harsh side effects.

As far as growth as an anabolic its cost to benefit ratio for most is not worth it.
 
What most of you are saying does not make sense. I keep saying that cost is not an issue and I keep hearing that its not worth the money. Then Im told to try doing more cycles first, but not given an explanation what one thing has to do with the other, because it DOES NOT.

All I wanted to know was ho GH would work for cutting on a 21 year old. If you dont know the answer than dont reply
 
RustyTromboneMan said:


All I wanted to know was ho GH would work for cutting on a 21 year old. If you dont know the answer than dont reply
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It would work extremely well. I know guys our age bro that have and have had good results.
 
I am telling you to take it because I don't think you need it! I know steroids don't burn fat, but using them, training hard and having a good diet will burn fat while still gaining a little muscle!

You sound like you want the brad pitt look which can easily be accomplished with training and diet and certainly with steroids! Fuck your age and fuck your cost that has nothing to do with why I am saying this, all I am saying is that for the goals you mentioned a cut cycle would benefit you more I beleive!


RustyTromboneMan said:
- Gearedup

Steroids do not shred fat, while GH does that is my reason for looking into it. I know one guy who said that he started using gh at 28 and if he would have known how good it was sooner he would have started when he was 20. If this is the case and money is not an issue than I figure why not go for it. But if because Im young I wont get good results or Ill have to worry about side effects than its not worth it
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How does it sound like I want the Brad Pitt look? Im 5 foot 10 and weigh about 215 pounds. You know nothing about me, how can you make that assumption? Because I want to drop bodyfat% quickly without losing any muscle means that I wanna look like Brad Pitt. Yeah that makes sense
 
Mike P.T. said:


It would work extremely well. I know guys our age bro that have and have had good results.
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Thanks for the reply, If its not too much trouble would you be more specifice with the amount of time and dosage. Also what they used with it and there results. You dont have to if you dont want to, but I would very much appreciate it.

Also, Are any of them on this board? so I can speak with them directly

thanks
 
This is why I said that from what you said here:
I really ant to shred my body up. I wanna be at about 8% bodyfat with nice abs.
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That to me sounds like you want the fitness model look, which there is nothing wrong with it but what you want can be accomplished easily with a cut cycle! your right I know nothing about you nor do I care to I was making that assumption from what you said so chill out!

I am in my early 20's and have been using GH for a long time and the results are great but for what you described you don't need it!

A million people will tell you you don't need it, but one says it can be good and you jump all over it! You sound like some of the 14-15 year olds that come on my board and want to juice and no mattre what we say they will do it anyways! No disrespect, but if anyone was about to be on your side it was gonna be me since I started gh around your age and stay on it almost year round!

Yuo stated your goals being you want abs and to go to 8% without losing much muscle... a fina/prop/eq cut cycle or any of the kind could give you those results with dedication!

To start noticing the great fat loss effects of GH it takes months, sometimes people don't notice much for the first few months so for your goals I don't think it is necessary!

If you think so then go ahead and do it, it will work on you even though you are young there is nothing wrong with it, but like I said you can get where you want with what I said!
 
Fuck this....
Hit it up bro.
I'm 24 and about to use it too.
Use some nice AS with it, work till ya puke, and you'll be in buisness.

PM me if you want.
 
RustyTromboneMan said:


Thanks for the reply, If its not too much trouble would you be more specifice with the amount of time and dosage. Also what they used with it and there results. You dont have to if you dont want to, but I would very much appreciate it.

Also, Are any of them on this board? so I can speak with them directly

thanks
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I don't have first hand experience here bro although I did do a half kit for the fuck of it 2 years ago. Don't ask I know it was a waste. Spontaneous decision. Anyway, nah bro most the guys I know that are on it or have done it aren't on here they are local friends. PM jc21 though he's a friend on here that has done it and has info. Around our age too.
 
Alright Rusty here goes since you seem to want to do this to lean out which it will help you do if your diet is in check. For this purpose 2iu before bed time, gh lowers t-3 levels so you may want to add that in also. Reason for taken it before bed time is that hgh influences insulin responce so you want to avoid carbs for a few hour. Many here are going to say 4-6ius min. but for your purposes length of use not dose is most important.

The reason I stated that it isnt cost effective is because some of the bros were slanting it that way.


hopes this helps and with any luck it will be all good.
 
im on hgh.
every night before bed. going to add some test next week. its going to be a 16 week cycle for the hgh. stuff is great!
 
Taking GH before bed is not the best idea due to the fact that your body secretes most of it's own GH during the nighttime sleeping phase. If one uses exogeneous HGH before bed, the body's natural negative feedback system will probably blunt if not shut down natural gh levels. The best time to take it would be upon waking, since this is when the body's nat. gh levels are lowering and cortisol levels are highest.

Rusty- I believe that you can use just 2 iu/day and obtain significant fatloss, but it will take time. Most likely a few months.
I spoke to one of the most knowledgable guys I know on the subject about it and am passing along the info.
 
Rusty is getting grumpy, so lets just go with some facts. In studies of young adult male weight trainers, increases were found in muscle volume (~6-8%) and lean body mass (~11%). Exercise capacity was elevated in such patients (~12%), but strength was either not changed or mildly increased by about 8% (Jorgensen 1989, Salomon 1989).
I don't know about you, but an 11% improvement in lean body mass impresses me. Sounds to me like this is the stat that interests you the most. These studies were with GH used alone.....no gear. For lean muscle growth in addition to the above benefits, add in some steroids. Prop, eq, tren and winstrol is an awesome cutting stack with GH.
Personally, I use heavy test and insulin with my GH, and finish up with tren, eq, winstrol for maximum size and leanness.
I won't judge you on your age, but I can tell you, hGH is extremely effective for old farts like me.
At your age, you will be at the peak of your own natural production, and would not need big doses of exogenous GH. Even just 2iu a day would more than double your own natural production.
 
Thank you Ironmaster, finally an answer with some facts behind it. So I think what you are saying that HGH will work well for me but it works even better for older people because there natural gh levels are lower

Now I just have to decide if I feel it is worth it. Last question, Are the chances of sides increased because of my age
 
No. Because you are at the very peak of your natural production, you won't need to supplement as much. (normal range of natural production is .5 to 1.5iu a day. You will be at 1.5iu due to your age, so even 2iu of exogenous GH is a big increase. Most of our natural production occurs in the first 2 hours of REM sleep, so avoid injecting at bedtime)
The side effects noted in the various studies were not age specific.........less than 10% reported one of the following: swelling of the hands and feet, wrist pain, overall joint pain, allergic reactions, or water retention. Interestingly, the placebo group in one study reported similar side effects....on sterile water injections.
Obviously, if you have an allergic reaction or develop carpel tunnel you will want to discontinue the somatropin. Most who have problems are simply reacting to the synthetic nature of the hormone........hell, some folks are allergic to steroids.
It is difficult to get into trouble with GH because our body has natural defenses that negate the effect of massive doses. Those who lack these defenses have the disease acromeglia....giantism.
To be thorough, I will add this......some manufacturers warn that hGH will cause more rapid growth of existing tumors....which makes sense. One should pay attention to changes in moles or skin lesions while using GH.
Also, GH can cause low blood sugar in some.......I have never heard of anyone becoming diabetic. Just take in some simple and complex carbs with your injections.....like we do with insulin.
The percentages are quite small of those who have serious side effects, but they do exist. Personally, after a decade of GH use, I feel that steroids are more dangerous.
Good luck, whatever you decide. Asking questions is the reasonable thing to do.
 
If I were you I would not use it simply because there is the risk of bone/organ growth. Although the risk is small in low dosage it is still there, and you can easily reach your goals through diet/excercise. Someone else suggested cardio and you don't even consider it. I think if you would rather do GH than cardio you are one lazy piece of shit.
 
GH, Test, Ox & NYC is all you need, with Arimidex. If you want you can add T-3 and Clen. But that will be a safe cyle from then you can add the T-3 and or Clen, or even Fina & winny with EQ.
Diet hard and do Cardio and you will get ripped.
 
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