HGH for Bodybuilding vs HGH for anti-aging

[kcdoubleeagleplatinum]

The problem with hgh and cancer isn't that hgh causes cancer but all cancers need hgh to grow. Most cancers even produce their own hgh. And something that most people don't know is they could have or had cancer in the past but their body was able to kill it. Yes when it's small and your immune system is in good working order you can kill cancer cells without even knowing you have cancer in your body.

It used to be thought, and still taught in some medical schools, that cancer comes from a change in existing cells. We now know this is not true. Cancer comes from undifferentiated stem cells that begin to replicate out of control.

When a person has one of these undetected cancers, that their body would have been able to take care of on it's own, and take hgh it's like throwing gasoline on a small fire. Boom it's through your whole body now in a very short time. And I'm talking days as a short time.

Being that I am someone that has lived through cancer and suffer the side effects of chemo, that's what got me into steroids in the first place, I can tell you it's the worst experience one could ever have. And don't think exercise will protect you. I was training six days a week in multiple forms of exercise. One day I had some pain in my side. By midnight it was so bad I went to the hospital. Hey guess what you have cancer.

So if you are young you have a much less chance of having an undetected cancer. If you are over 35 your chances goes up a lot. If you are near fifty you take a HUGE risk using hgh.

So it's up to you. Go ahead and cross the street with your eyes closed. Most of the time you will probably make it. But I say that there will be the last time that you don't.

And for the cost. My God is it expensive. Testosterone does me just fine and I can get a shit load of test for one kit of hgh. If you are looking to just try and hold onto your youth a little bit longer use test and leave the hgh alone. How much youth are you going to hold onto when you get cancer?

Holy Shit....I am really scared now...thanks for the heads up, though. I will say one thing....all these doctors writing scripts for this stuff are really opening themselves up to major liabilities if the HGH/cancer thing is true.

 

[goin on 4T]

I am really shocked at the lack of knowledge on this board concerning hgh. Have studied hgh for years and whenever people with little knowledge of hgh discuss hgh, they know even less about igf 1. There is an expert who has his own forum...Ellis Troudoue (spelling?) who is an expert in hgh usage. He claims that one should aim for the igf 1 levels of an athletic 25 year old. The point, if you do not test your igf 1 levels, you have no idea how your hgh usage is affecting your body or even if your hgh is genuine and not some fake. And hgh in study after study does IN FACT cause an increase in muscle mass of around 9percent while resting...no working out, and reduces body fat by 14percent.

Did you know there are literally over one hundred different hgh molecules?

However most of the positive benefits of hgh is brought about through igf 1. Did you know that there is igf 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 8. 9? Yep, that is true.

The point is that this area is much more complex than most realize, and I am NOT an expert by no means. But if one wants to use hgh, spend some time researching the topic before you start blowing your mouth like you really know all about it.

Hahaha I almost fell out of my chair when I read this one!!! Cause he is selling it!!!

 

[Bridger]

Ive talked to my endo about gh and she said the doses they use for therapeutic replacement, NOT anti aging, is around 1iu a day. That will put a deficient person back in healthy range with gh and igf. However she listed many side effects even at that dose. Even in a clinical setting many relatively safe drugs can have nasty side effects. But when you consider how many people abuse drugs like this it makes you wonder how many really have done real research or were simply too stupid to understand the risk.

 

[SuperOne]

How come young kids, teens, and young adults, with the HIGHEST HGH and IGF-1 levels, rarely get cancer compared to people in their 30's and up which have lower and the lowest HGH and IGF-1 levels?


I beleive HGH helps the immune system and also helps the cells communicate with each other better, which is key for cancer control. When cells stop communicating properly with each other thats when mutagens, cancer, and tumours start happening.

 

[Tatyana]

How come young kids, teens, and young adults, with the HIGHEST HGH and IGF-1 levels, rarely get cancer compared to people in their 30's and up which have lower and the lowest HGH and IGF-1 levels?


I beleive HGH helps the immune system and also helps the cells communicate with each other better, which is key for cancer control. When cells stop communicating properly with each other thats when mutagens, cancer, and tumours start happening.

There is a great deal of mis-information and confusion in this post.

Children and teens do get cancer, and they are often far more devastating. There is a huge issue that a lot of diseases of adolescence are over-looked or ignored because people just don't think teens get sick.

The key for cancer control is for NK (natural killer cells) and cytotoxic T cells to kill them off.

Cells communicate with each other in numerous ways, it isn't just GH or the other hormones of the endocrine system.

How do you think they communicate with each other?

There are a phenomenal number of growth factors in the body, and it is pretty much established that alternations in the insulin, GH and IGF-1 pathways are present in cancer transformation.

 

[EPROM]

...and it is pretty much established that alternations in the insulin, GH and IGF-1 pathways are present in cancer transformation.

Cancer transformation in a bad way ...or a good way?

Birdman

 

[SuperOne]

Yes i know that just GH isnt responsible for cell to cell communucation, its your whole hormonal system im balance along with other factors, but ive read from a hormone specialist named Dr.Nick Delgado, that HGH helps the cells to communicate with each other properly.

There are polysaccarides in Noni, and long chain sugars, glyconutrients in a product called Ambrotose, that help greatly with cell to cell communication. If your cells communicate with each other properly in the first place, cancer and tumours dont happen. Yes obviously your immune system has to be strong too kill the cancer cells off, but cell to cell communication is a big factor in the equation in preventing cancer/tumours (mutagens) from forming in the first place.


Also, yes adults and older people do get cancer far more often than young kids, children, and young adults do, despite having the highest levels of HGH. Ive also read that HGH helps balance PH levels and serves as the ultimate antioxidant, and we all know that cancer and all disease thrive in an acidic environment, and cant survive in a alkaline environment. Also, sugar feeds cancer cells aswell and causes them to grow. But im a young guy myself, and nobody in any schools ive been to have had cancer that ive heard of, and out of all the people i personally know, and friends, 2 got cancer and they both beat it. Yet i know many adults who have had cancer, and no matter what age, all cancers are pretty devestating because the older you are, the weaker your immune system is to deal with it, on top of that the kemo destroying their immune systems even more.

As far as the severity in the cancer that does occur in younger people, id be interested to know some actual facts about that, but dont ALL hormones feed cancer? Doesnt thyroid feed cancer and cause it to grow aswell? Estrogen? DHT? I mean what should one do totally wipe out most of their hormones if they get cancer?


Also, those adult people that produce higher than normal levels of HGH and IGF-1 dont have any higher incidences of cancer than regular people do.


I think that a person with a perfectly balanced hormone system, with hormones levels within the normal ranges, including IGF-1, would have a less chance of getting cancer imo. Now if you have cancer and are taking huge doses of HGH, then i dont beleive thats a good idea, but i beleive if you have cancer and are eating lots of sugar and acidic foods, that that would have just as much effect on your cancers growing and high doses of HGH would.


I think people are missing a big factor in cancer, and that is diet and stress, physical and mental. And im not taling about what people think is "so called" healthy like chicken and fish, which are both acidic foods high in animal protein which contributes to cancer.

 

[dopeycdxx]

Well....increased cancer risk seems to be the biggest side that has been mentioned...I guess that is mostly at the high levels needed by the professional BB?

people are also saying that it's not worth the money for the gains you get....but I am guessing that is also advice for professional body builders and not for the anti-aging crowd.

the increased risk of cancer is du to having more cells in your body with the fact that they split faster. meaning you have a chance of the genome of the cell going bad AKA cancer people with naturally lower HGH tend to live longer and have a reduced risk of cancer less cells you have the less can go bad

 

[Pizzle27]

wow! people really need to do research about what they are going to put in your body. I wont go into details unless someone wants me too. A few things about HGH... It does NOT cause cancer, It will NOT get you "big" muscle wise. HGH increases cell production so if someone has cancer cells in theory they can multiply faster and you have an increase of cancer cells now. Do not expect to get big using HGH only! if you combine HGH with Test or something else it will enhance it due to how HGH shuttles nutrients and cells and protein synthesis. It will strengthen tendons and ligaments, it will help with body fat and overall well being due to how it uses the bodies T3 and T4. If you are going to use HGH and have no idea what T3 and T4 are or what they do.. you need to put the HGH down and do some research! be smart about what you put into your body and know what it effects and pros and cons.