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HGH and T4 opinions please.

AndyBlueEyes

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I'm considering adding hgh and t4 to my cutting cycle. I wanted to do about the following:
Weeks 1-5:
1000 grams of test.
15-20 iu of hgh

Weeks 6-10
20-30 iu of hgh
75-150 mcg T4.

I don't have any experience with T4 or HGH, so input would be greatly appreciated.
 
Stats?
Age?
yrs of training?
experience with aas?
# of cycles?
PCT?
 
I'm considering adding hgh and t4 to my cutting cycle. I wanted to do about the following:
Weeks 1-5:
1000 grams of test.
15-20 iu of hgh

Weeks 6-10
20-30 iu of hgh
75-150 mcg T4.

I don't have any experience with T4 or HGH, so input would be greatly appreciated.

holy shit player!!! i hope thats a typo cause thats a kilogram of test... even so, 1000mgs of test is a lot IMHO but its ur body
 
yeah, that would be miligrams. Sorry about the typo.
I'm 36, were lifting from 15 to 25, a 5 year break and then started again at 30. Was a semi pro in a
sport, so did spend lots of time in the gym, but no aas during that time, due to team sport and testing.
Been doing 5 longer cycles last 3 years.
I vary PCT a bit, but the standard is Nolvadex and HCG. I do 2500 ius twice, a week
apart, but only if i feel that it's necessary. Can't use Clomid due to no-access to it.
I do blood test to check and when i get back to 'normal', i let the system rest for 2 weeks more before
next cycle.
On a side note: I wanted to test HGH as I've been experiencing bad muscle tears for the last few years.
Maybe it's age kicking in, but some suggestions have been that HGH can assist increasing IGF levels
and help with such injuries.
 
yeah, that would be miligrams. Sorry about the typo.
I'm 36, were lifting from 15 to 25, a 5 year break and then started again at 30. Was a semi pro in a
sport, so did spend lots of time in the gym, but no aas during that time, due to team sport and testing.
Been doing 5 longer cycles last 3 years.
I vary PCT a bit, but the standard is Nolvadex and HCG. I do 2500 ius twice, a week
apart, but only if i feel that it's necessary. Can't use Clomid due to no-access to it.
I do blood test to check and when i get back to 'normal', i let the system rest for 2 weeks more before
next cycle.
On a side note: I wanted to test HGH as I've been experiencing bad muscle tears for the last few years.
Maybe it's age kicking in, but some suggestions have been that HGH can assist increasing IGF levels
and help with such injuries.


HGH is very expensive. Personally, unless you're loaded with cash and don't mind spending it, and you're willing to get at least a 6 month supply, you shouldn't even consider it.
 
yeah, that would be miligrams. Sorry about the typo.
I'm 36, were lifting from 15 to 25, a 5 year break and then started again at 30. Was a semi pro in a
sport, so did spend lots of time in the gym, but no aas during that time, due to team sport and testing.
Been doing 5 longer cycles last 3 years.
I vary PCT a bit, but the standard is Nolvadex and HCG. I do 2500 ius twice, a week
apart, but only if i feel that it's necessary. Can't use Clomid due to no-access to it.
I do blood test to check and when i get back to 'normal', i let the system rest for 2 weeks more before
next cycle.
On a side note: I wanted to test HGH as I've been experiencing bad muscle tears for the last few years.
Maybe it's age kicking in, but some suggestions have been that HGH can assist increasing IGF levels
and help with such injuries.

If you can get 6 months of GH than start the GH for 2 months before adding the Test. That is the best. To start them both at the same time is not the best. If GH is too much $$$ than go with IGF. IGF will help with injuries too.
 
If you can get 6 months of GH than start the GH for 2 months before adding the Test. That is the best. To start them both at the same time is not the best. If GH is too much $$$ than go with IGF. IGF will help with injuries too.

I'm just curious as to why you would say starting HGH and test together is not the best thing to do?
 
Because unless on HRT or he is pro he is not going to run 6 months of test, it takes your body to get primed with GH then:

Synergy occurs when two elements are combined to create a total which is greater than the sum of their individual parts. In other words, 1 + 1 = 3.

In bodybuilding, synergy occurs when two or more factors work together to create a compound effect, greater than the sum of the two factors individually. Bodybuilding synergy can be achieved in many ways. For example, proper nutrition and training have greater effects that either independently combined, etc. Chemically, it's a much more complex ballgame, although one that can be studied and researched. Chemical synergy for bodybuilding can be achieved when testosterone and human growth hormone are used together. Their effect upon the body, when cycled together, are far greater than either could be alone or combined on different schedules.

Growth hormone directly leads to muscle growth. It also has secondary effects, including the liver stimulation to release IGF-1, secondary hormone tissue release, and insulin release. Testosterone, on the other hand, is useful for bodybuilders for a different set of reasons. Testosterone make the GH factors work faster. It also increases cell efficiency and makeup, and creates what are called 'satellite cells' which aid with recovery.

It's difficult to quantify the synergistic effects of stacking these compounds. Their very use in medicine (and bodybuilding) is relatively new, and legal ramifications make it even harder to track long-term effects of stacking these compounds vs. taking the independently. However, the majority of self-proclaimed "gurus", as well as a growing number of industry physicians and hormone specialists, seem to be uniformly embracing this theory. As do the bodybuilders. For the short-term, the proof is in the pudding; Today's top athletes stack testosterone and growth hormone for maximum growth efficiency. And while scientists and researchers know that the two compounds affect different neuromuscular outlets and take different paths to absorption, the clinical data is not yet there.

An additional use, aside from bodybuilding growth, is hormone replacement therapy (HRT). Older men utilizing hormone replacement therapy, which is often the same compounds used by bodybuilders at far lower levels, will also benefit from the synergistic effect of stacking testosterone and human growth hormone.
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