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HGC 1000IU, how does do this 3x a week?

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I did my homework and am going to do the 1000IU injections 3x a week for my post cycle recovery along with other Anti-E's as per a Dr on the boards.

the quesiton is that HGC that i have is 5000IU and comes with 1cc of water.. So does that mean i inject 1/5th's of a CC of hgc/water 3x a week or does everyone add more water to have a larger injection volume?

Any help woudl be appreicated.. I jsut want to make sure my PCT is perfect.

Jajja
 
I dont think you did your homework correctly dont inject more than 500 iu per day you should really be using hcg throughout cycle at 250 iu 3x/wk then you stop it before pct. It will prevent hpta restoration
 
Maxgain said:
I dont think you did your homework correctly dont inject more than 500 iu per day you should really be using hcg throughout cycle at 250 iu 3x/wk then you stop it before pct. It will prevent hpta restoration
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u mean run it throughout cycle? and stop before PCT?
 
no i think he has done his homework. it's just there are so many freaking opinions on the board that the more you read the more you get confused.

i too will be doind 250 iu's 1x per week thruout my 10 week cycle starting on the 3rd week. then the standard jenetic pct you've spoke about jajja.

as for the hcg mixing, here goes:

go to getpinz.com and order a capped sterile 10ml vial and a 30ml vial of BA water, take 1 ml of the BA water out and mix it with the 5000 iu's in the amp, discard the "solvent" provided. next take 9ml's of the BA water and put it in the 10ml vial. then finally remove the hcg and 1 ml of water from the vial and add it to the 9ml of water in the vial. you now have 10ml of hcg at 500iu's per ml.

hope that helps. i know it's hard sifting thru all of the info here and trying to do the right thing. stick to your plan. if it doesn't work perfectly for you, next time tweak it a little.

good luck

BTW, whats your cycle look like??
 
gettinripped said:
no i think he has done his homework. it's just there are so many freaking opinions on the board that the more you read the more you get confused.

i too will be doind 250 iu's 1x per week thruout my 10 week cycle starting on the 3rd week. then the standard jenetic pct you've spoke about jajja.

as for the hcg mixing, here goes:

go to getpinz.com and order a capped sterile 10ml vial and a 30ml vial of BA water, take 1 ml of the BA water out and mix it with the 5000 iu's in the amp, discard the "solvent" provided. next take 9ml's of the BA water and put it in the 10ml vial. then finally remove the hcg and 1 ml of water from the vial and add it to the 9ml of water in the vial. you now have 10ml of hcg at 500iu's per ml.

hope that helps. i know it's hard sifting thru all of the info here and trying to do the right thing. stick to your plan. if it doesn't work perfectly for you, next time tweak it a little.

good luck

BTW, whats your cycle look like??
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Ripped,

thanks man.. I actually am following the 1000UI 3x a week by the DR on the board. Its the Sticky on the forum that explains what he has done with all pro atheletes for no losses..

have you seen this post? It seems to be the best PCT / or combination thus far..

Jajja
 
mm107 said:
jajja, would u mind posting the link,

im going on soon, and HCG will be in my arsenal. Thanks bro!
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From what i have read, the MD DR seems to nkow what he is talking about and the link and post is below.. its a must save for everyone.. I am going with protocal #2

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

3.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

4.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

Option one can be considered as a standard PCT protocol. This should apply to all basic cycles. Option 2 is generally the same as option one except for the addition of Clomid which is added as a supporting recovery aid. Option three and four incorporate a higher HCG dosage and have a relationship similar to options one and two in the sense that Clomid is incorporated in the latter as a supporting recovery aid.

*The majority of my experience is with intermediate to advanced athletes whom have completed multiple cycles with higher dosages. Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with. The Nolvadex dosage remains unchanged however Clomid is utilized throughout the entire PCT at 100 mgs ED during the first 3 weeks and 50 mgs ED for the last 3 weeks.
 
There are so many ways...you just have to do what works for you by experimenting. I'm gonna do 10 days straight of HCG 500ius ed as soon as I stop AAS. Im gonna run it along with nolva at 20mg ed and AIFM at 2 pumps a day. I think Bruce is doing something pretty similiar and thats pretty much where I got it from.
 
jajja said:
Ripped,

thanks man.. I actually am following the 1000UI 3x a week by the DR on the board. Its the Sticky on the forum that explains what he has done with all pro atheletes for no losses..

have you seen this post? It seems to be the best PCT / or combination thus far..

Jajja
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yes i've seen it and read it a oftern, it's the standard Jenetic protocol i was talking about. good luck bro.
 
500iu is typically more than sufficient.
if running an AI, like say AIFM :), this typically primes LH response 250ius is typically more than sufficient.


most people use too much HCG- which can cause gyno- not just because of the LH stimuls but also because of its thyrotrophic effects.
 
jajja said:
From what i have read, the MD DR seems to nkow what he is talking about and the link and post is below.. its a must save for everyone.. I am going with protocal #2

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177

PCT Protocol(s):

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

2.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

3.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

4.) 1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 100 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 50 mgs Clomid ED and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

Option one can be considered as a standard PCT protocol. This should apply to all basic cycles. Option 2 is generally the same as option one except for the addition of Clomid which is added as a supporting recovery aid. Option three and four incorporate a higher HCG dosage and have a relationship similar to options one and two in the sense that Clomid is incorporated in the latter as a supporting recovery aid.

*The majority of my experience is with intermediate to advanced athletes whom have completed multiple cycles with higher dosages. Therefore, based upon previous blood work results and considering the common or convenient preparations available, we have established that 1,500 IUs 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) to be the optimal HCG dosage to begin with. The Nolvadex dosage remains unchanged however Clomid is utilized throughout the entire PCT at 100 mgs ED during the first 3 weeks and 50 mgs ED for the last 3 weeks.
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Ok first you have to realise all these are for long acting esters where it will take about 3 weeks to get back to phsiological levels after that you dont use it it SUPRESSES hpta

Second this is old and poor advice as it should be run in the cycle not after at 250iu 3x /wk. If anyone is going to argue please explain why causing atrophy of testes for about 10 weeks then trying to restore them is better than maintaining testes function throughout cycle.

Third 1000iu can cause permanent hypogonadism enjoy hrt for life. Do it properly if you have not started cycle do it throughout 250iu per day 3x /wk then you will regain function easily with clomid/nova post cycle
 
Maxgain said:
Ok first you have to realise all these are for long acting esters where it will take about 3 weeks to get back to phsiological levels after that you dont use it it SUPRESSES hpta

Second this is old and poor advice as it should be run in the cycle not after at 250iu 3x /wk. If anyone is going to argue please explain why causing atrophy of testes for about 10 weeks then trying to restore them is better than maintaining testes function throughout cycle.

Third 1000iu can cause permanent hypogonadism enjoy hrt for life. Do it properly if you have not started cycle do it throughout 250iu per day 3x /wk then you will regain function easily with clomid/nova post cycle
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so ur saying run it through whole cycle at 250iu/day?

i just cant seem to find the "correct" way

im gonna ru n a 15 week cycle, i dont think runing hcg for 15 weeks is a good idea tho
 
through the whole cycle but once per week at 250iu. preferrably the day before your aas injection.

as per AR's recommendations. this will be what Im going to do... eventually. along with AIFM.
 
mm107 said:
AR's = Anthoy Roberts?

I figured it would better to actually never achieve testicular atrophy, rather then to recover from it.

so i would just need enough to cover 15 weeks tho =[ lol
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yep... on all accounts.

why lose them in the first place if it can be helped? I can understand the atrophy before HCG was used in conjuction with aas, but these days, there is no reason for it.
 
looking to lean said:
yep... on all accounts.

why lose them in the first place if it can be helped? I can understand the atrophy before HCG was used in conjuction with aas, but these days, there is no reason for it.
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so whats a good protocol?

Test E 250mg/Weeks 1-15
EQ 400mg/Weeks 1-15
HCG @ 250i.u./Week 1-15

Any specific nolva dosages in conjunction w/ HCG?

So after week 15, i would be able to drop HCG, and use AIFM & Nolva for PCT?
 
AIFM through out. PCT included

HCG through out. not sure on the exact day to stop, but perhaps a week or 2 after your last EQ injection.

Nolva will begin at the same time you stop HCG. perhaps the same time as your last HCG shot.

Im really no expert on this. I feel a little out of place GIVING advice at this point. I have personally never used HCG. altho I will be when I cycle.

*Test E should be shot e3.5d or e4d
 
looking to lean said:
AIFM through out. PCT included

HCG through out. not sure on the exact day to stop, but perhaps a week or 2 after your last EQ injection.

Nolva will begin at the same time you stop HCG. perhaps the same time as your last HCG shot.

Im really no expert on this. I feel a little out of place GIVING advice at this point. I have personally never used HCG. altho I will be when I cycle.

*Test E should be shot e3.5d or e4d
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heh, i know what ya mean about advice, im lookin for any info man, imma take this info here, read up some more, and post a GOOD question about it to see what others have to think.

i like this idea alot better then waiting to get shut down and then bring them back to normal.

Yea, i was gonna start pct about 3 weeks after last EQ shot since that should be when its half lifed out of me. Thanks bro for ALL this help!
 
whatever info I can pass on, I will. Ive done nothing but read for the last 6 months. my eyes are starting to burn out! too bad I wont be able to 'see' my results when Im done. lol
 
mm107 said:
lol, i hope i keep my gains, thats why im going through all this research ya know,

i hope to be a nice solid 205. im 185 now =] not looking for much.
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185 up to 205.... looking to move up a weight class in MMA? :)
 
I wish, i love MMA...

but its preety much a personal preference, i used to weight 240lbs, dropepd to 150 via dieting, got up to 185 diet/weighttraining. And i feel i would look GREAT at 205. But im talking 205 @ 10% BF or less =]

you into any MMA? im looking to join a training center for it, just dont know where to start looking...
 
looking to lean said:
through the whole cycle but once per week at 250iu. preferrably the day before your aas injection.

as per AR's recommendations. this will be what Im going to do... eventually. along with AIFM.
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The half life is 64 hrs it makes no sense once a week its basic kinetics 3x /wk 250 iu I thought most realised this is standard protocol now
 
looking to lean said:
AIFM through out. PCT included

HCG through out. not sure on the exact day to stop, but perhaps a week or 2 after your last EQ injection.

Nolva will begin at the same time you stop HCG. perhaps the same time as your last HCG shot.

Im really no expert on this. I feel a little out of place GIVING advice at this point. I have personally never used HCG. altho I will be when I cycle.

*Test E should be shot e3.5d or e4d
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When you stop hcg depends on the cycle you stop when test levels reach about normal levels so the hpta axis can now be encoraged to kick in and will not be supressed by test overload so for exampl a sus 500 cycle last hcg injection should be 14-17 days after last test injection
 
mm107 said:
so ur saying run it through whole cycle at 250iu/day?

i just cant seem to find the "correct" way

im gonna ru n a 15 week cycle, i dont think runing hcg for 15 weeks is a good idea tho
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No 3 x / wk keeps a constant level of stiuklation of testes t1/2 = 64 hrs -which would be too much at 1000iu
 
looking to lean said:
ah the debate goes on... :)

id start at once per week and add another day as needed if atrophy is noticed. ~just my opinion of course~
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thats what i was thinking. it is a never ending debate until you find what works for YOU!!
 
it very much is an individual thing. I know it sucks to trial-and-error on your own body but it's gotta be that way.

The best is advice is always start small and go larger if needed. Much better than starting too high and ending up with some problems.

In everything I've learned over the years, and I've read alot, unless you're into pct and seriously shutdown, I would run 250-500 3x/wk throughout depending on how heavy the cycle is. for most on here that's fine. run this into pct and then begin your clomid/nolva.

This cycle I'm trying beginning hcg around week 4 after the long ester kicks in, to see how I like this.
 
jumpshot said:
it very much is an individual thing. I know it sucks to trial-and-error on your own body but it's gotta be that way.

The best is advice is always start small and go larger if needed. Much better than starting too high and ending up with some problems.

In everything I've learned over the years, and I've read alot, unless you're into pct and seriously shutdown, I would run 250-500 3x/wk throughout depending on how heavy the cycle is. for most on here that's fine. run this into pct and then begin your clomid/nolva.

This cycle I'm trying beginning hcg around week 4 after the long ester kicks in, to see how I like this.
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whats your current cycle? mine is duo test (a blend of cyp & prop) @ 250mg ew for 10 weeks and adding BD var in @ week 3 for an 8 week run. was planning on starting the hcg @ 250iu's 1x per week in week 3 or 4 and then the standard jenetic pct after that.
 
gettinripped said:
whats your current cycle? mine is duo test (a blend of cyp & prop) @ 250mg ew for 10 weeks and adding BD var in @ week 3 for an 8 week run. was planning on starting the hcg @ 250iu's 1x per week in week 3 or 4 and then the standard jenetic pct after that.
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Why are you waiting till week 4 and what is the story with a one a week injection you have very little effect after 3 days do you want to be constantly causing small amounts of atrophy reversing and so on when you could just prevent all atrophy. How many of ye had good results with test propionate once a wek none because of its kinetics
At least theres a cessation on the 1000iu injection point.
 
Maxgain said:
Why are you waiting till week 4 and what is the story with a one a week injection you have very little effect after 3 days do you want to be constantly causing small amounts of atrophy reversing and so on when you could just prevent all atrophy. How many of ye had good results with test propionate once a wek none because of its kinetics
At least theres a cessation on the 1000iu injection point.
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i'm breaking the 250mg week of test up into to 2 shots mon/thurs. as for the hcg, i'm going with 1 shot per week to start, if i notice that after that 1 i still need another i can adjust from there. this is my first real run with any injectibles and test. i've been here reading alot and feel i have a decent grip on the procedures. i'm not trying to be an expert by any means. always open for input and critics. everybody seems to have an opinon on what works but the reality is that everybody is different. until you experiment with yourself how do you know what works? i'm totally open to running 3 shots per week of hcg, but if i find that with 1 i'm doing fine, why 1. waste and 2. increase my chances of gyno?? i appreciate your help and will be open to any suggestions you may have.
 
Maxgain said:
The half life is 64 hrs it makes no sense once a week its basic kinetics 3x /wk 250 iu I thought most realised this is standard protocol now
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My apologies Im a bit out of it lately t1/2 of 64 hrs I would inject every 3 days not 3x/wk
 
looking to lean said:
ah the debate goes on... :)

id start at once per week and add another day as needed if atrophy is noticed. ~just my opinion of course~
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how can you tell if atrophy is there or not?
 
Maxgain said:
Ok first you have to realise all these are for long acting esters where it will take about 3 weeks to get back to phsiological levels after that you dont use it it SUPRESSES hpta

Second this is old and poor advice as it should be run in the cycle not after at 250iu 3x /wk. If anyone is going to argue please explain why causing atrophy of testes for about 10 weeks then trying to restore them is better than maintaining testes function throughout cycle.

Third 1000iu can cause permanent hypogonadism enjoy hrt for life. Do it properly if you have not started cycle do it throughout 250iu per day 3x /wk then you will regain function easily with clomid/nova post cycle
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I am in my last week of my cycle of Oral Test 17 ALpha, Another Test Inject Cyponate at 3CC's a week or so..

I have 30ML of HCG mixed at 1000UI per cc.. I was going to do 100UI at 3x a week but now you guys have me worried.

Can someone explain what i should do? I am not familar with all the terminology of the acroynoms..

I planed to do the 1000UI 3x a week with clomid and nova.. Anyone with expert advise that can help me keep my gains.. i realize now in the future i wil do the 250ui deal during my cycle to help.. But for now, all i can do is start post cycle.. Help!

Jajja
 
i'm surprised no-one has touched on the subject of downregulation....you don't want to hit your gonads with hcg too much or you will become immune to it.....250iu a week every week probably won't do neither....neither "lift your boys" nor saturate your receptors too much.....so probably wasting more than utilizing.....

personally, i'm gonna do a 500IU 3x week right in the smack middle of my cycle, then at the end, hit a 500IU eod for 4 or 5 more shots (this can be easily adjusted according to cycle length/strength etc).....then start clomid

(my cycle = 400mg Deca / 500mg Test E....using AIFM throughout)
 
to shoot hcg can you just use insulin needles and shoot it in your belly fat?

What would one do with only 5000 iu's on a 12 week long acting ester cycle do?
 
aluv4speed said:
to shoot hcg can you just use insulin needles and shoot it in your belly fat?

What would one do with only 5000 iu's on a 12 week long acting ester cycle do?
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yes you can use a slin pin, yes you can shoot in belly fat.

one would get more hcg.
 
aluv4speed said:
to shoot hcg can you just use insulin needles and shoot it in your belly fat?

What would one do with only 5000 iu's on a 12 week long acting ester cycle do?
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1) thats what you should do

2) do 250 iu 2x wk will get you 10 weeks dont start till 2 weeks in
 
gettinripped said:
no i think he has done his homework. it's just there are so many freaking opinions on the board that the more you read the more you get confused.

i too will be doind 250 iu's 1x per week thruout my 10 week cycle starting on the 3rd week. then the standard jenetic pct you've spoke about jajja.

as for the hcg mixing, here goes:

go to getpinz.com and order a capped sterile 10ml vial and a 30ml vial of BA water, take 1 ml of the BA water out and mix it with the 5000 iu's in the amp, discard the "solvent" provided. next take 9ml's of the BA water and put it in the 10ml vial. then finally remove the hcg and 1 ml of water from the vial and add it to the 9ml of water in the vial. you now have 10ml of hcg at 500iu's per ml.

hope that helps. i know it's hard sifting thru all of the info here and trying to do the right thing. stick to your plan. if it doesn't work perfectly for you, next time tweak it a little.

good luck

BTW, whats your cycle look like??
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Cool of you to help him out!!
 
As long as you do it is what counts. The few times that I used it I did 5000 iu's each shot, 3 total shots every 5 days.

Next time I plan on doing it every other day at a lower dose.
 
mlong23 said:
As long as you do it is what counts. The few times that I used it I did 5000 iu's each shot, 3 total shots every 5 days.

Next time I plan on doing it every other day at a lower dose.
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No thats crazy talk you would be better not to do it than risk permanent hypogonadsim with the first way you took it
 
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