Hey guys new user here

[DaoRyu]

Hey guys im 21 just moved to sou cal and Im thinking about startin up. i dont want to start on the Juice so i was thinking about starting with some oral supplements. I was currious about whats a good beginner stack for pills if anyone could suggest anything for me.
I have been reading about Winstrol dianabol Anadrol Andriol but I really know nothing.


thanks guys, brad
1 - Age = 21
2 - Lifting History = Martial artist from age 5, lifting 3 days a week
3 - Height = 6'4
4 - Weight = 220 lbs.
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...) = 10%
6 - Diet = Fish, green vegetables, poultry,
7 - Goals = 10-20lbs of fat loss 20-30lbs of muscle gain overall weigh 220 with about 6-8% body fat

 

[youngbuck22]

peeps on EF arent down with orals only cycles. they will probably flame.

no offense to you though . Everyone has there own minds made up.

But test E 250/mg a week is a good beginner cycle.
With proper PCT.

 

[DaoRyu]

mmm never used needles before thats why im not big on them, reason why people arent big on orals?

what is post cycle therepy?

 

[rambleon]

mmm never used needles before thats why im not big on them, reason why people arent big on orals?

Because most of us are in for the long haul and the liver toxicity of orals prohibit too extensive use. In order too pass through the liver oral steroids are alpha 17 alkylated and such compounds is not very good for u. Use them to kickstart or finish cycles in short periods, not as base for a cycle IMO.

I agree with the above. 250mg test e is ideal for a first run and MUCH easier on the body than poppin' pills. The idea that needles is somehow "harder" than pills comes from recreational drugs but this is not heroin. Most guys here are very serious about their health which is why we advocate injectables over pills as base.

In your own words you know nothing. That is a healthy attitude to start with because from here you can only get more educated. I'd say: Hang around for a while. Do some research before u decide to hit the juice. Then u can set ur goals and go for it.

 

[DaoRyu]

that sounds good. when you inject can you inject anywhere or do you have to inject into a vaine?

i have done research and was currious if taking anti estrogens without the juice would still get me decent gains? I also read that i will get good gains with tes but once i go off i will loose half the weight i gained.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Did any one see he he is 21? Dude you still have a lot of natty test use some supps OTC to increase that. EAT EAT EAT EAT and LIFT LIFT LIFT LIFT and you will gain good solid muscle in no time and the gains stay. if you still wanna do it at your age then you need to do a lot more research. asking if you should go int oa vein shows you have not read much if any at all.

Not flaming you just trying to get you to research and do your homework so you juice safely. Oral only cycles can be bad d/t to the liver toxicity. You can fuck yourself up if you do not use properly.

 

[DaoRyu]

i understand im new to all this which is why im here asking. Its just right now taking protein/creatine that Id have a much better gain with some new stuff. Are there any low grade orals i could at least sample and see?

 

[BigCracker]

This kid deserves a retard alert, but I'm cutting him slack because he is completely clueless.

daoryu-instead of clubbin' it this weekend try to read up as much as you can on Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids and Post Cycle Therapy. Once you have some basic knowledge you will benefit much more from this board. The questions you are asking now are like joining a board for experts in physics and asking how to find the square root of X.

And forget the idea of oral only cycles. All you really need is a good protein supplement, multivitamin, and maybe a pre workout energy drink. All the other stuff like creatine, prohormones, etc vary in quality and probably aren't very cost effective. Most people don't realize that anybody with a few bucks to spend can make their own supplement line with bullshit low quality ingredients. Keep in mind the fitness industry relies on your ignorance so you won't make gains and turn to supplements for the answer. This way when you still don't make much progress, you'll buy another supplement to see if it works...and so on.

Make the supplement companies rich while you stay small and get poor. Hooray for me and fuck you!!! It's the American Way.

 

[socket]

This kid deserves a retard alert, but I'm cutting him slack because he is completely clueless.

daoryu-instead of clubbin' it this weekend try to read up as much as you can on Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids and Post Cycle Therapy. Once you have some basic knowledge you will benefit much more from this board. The questions you are asking now are like joining a board for experts in physics and asking how to find the square root of X.

And forget the idea of oral only cycles. All you really need is a good protein supplement, multivitamin, and maybe a pre workout energy drink. All the other stuff like creatine, prohormones, etc vary in quality and probably aren't very cost effective. Most people don't realize that anybody with a few bucks to spend can make their own supplement line with bullshit low quality ingredients. Keep in mind the fitness industry relies on your ignorance so you won't make gains and turn to supplements for the answer. This way when you still don't make much progress, you'll buy another supplement to see if it works...and so on.

Make the supplement companies rich while you stay small and get poor. Hooray for me and fuck you!!! It's the American Way.

Like he said

 

[st8grad]

i understand im new to all this which is why im here asking. Its just right now taking protein/creatine that Id have a much better gain with some new stuff. Are there any low grade orals i could at least sample and see?

Just slow down a couple steps. Low grade orals is a relative term. Low grade compared to other steroids? Yes.Low grade compared to not using at all? No.

You're asking about injecting into a "vaine," but saying that you did research. So you haven't. But it's fine that you are here asking questions. This will get you accurate answers to your questions.

Again being 21 you have a ton of natural test running through your body. So there really isn't a need to supplement that from the outside with something you already have - and more of it than most people due to your age.

Whatever you take will suppress those natural levels while you are on and you might not completely recover them after you finish. So that would be a HUGE waste. It's like fucking a hooker while you are married, but then when you are done with the hooker you can't get your wife back. You can still get pussy, but the skanks you find are lower quality than your wife.

Read all the profiles of steroids and understand at least at a basic level what they do.

If you are bound and determined to do it, then do it right and get solid advice so you don't fuck up.

I would honestly recommend trying some natty supplements like the Dermacrines or the products promoted by Nelson. You can give yourself a great boost with those without fucking with you natural production. Put in some solid years of lifting big and eating big and you will grow like a mother fucker.

Don't take winny to impress your buddies with a 15 pound increase in your bench. It ain't worth it yet. Learn how to do this natural and you'll kick their asses in the gym anyway.

The big secret to all of this is training hard, sleeping hard, and eating hard and doing it correctly.

 

[needtogetaas]

stick around you got a lot to learn..

 

[DaoRyu]

alright guys you know what your talking about thanks for all your help. Ill stick to the other parts of the forum for now and still read and learn from you guys. Thanks for bein nice to this noob.

 

[holy ghost]

hell yeah i shoot my tren into my pulmonary veign

Helps me turn into neeedtos avatar

ha

 

[Mrpumped]

Keep doing research on this forum and you'll find all the answers you're looking for.