hey aryan brotherhood

[Lao Tzu]

this is a statement by aryan brotherhood he made in another post. due to the fact that it is highly persuasive, and i enjoy info on debating, i would like to try to pick it apart and show the tactics.



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posted by aryan brotherhood in another thread on elite fitness


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Here's who I am.
I maybe "racist".I do not stereotype a whole race and "hate them all".I judge people on their individuallity. I have friends of many colors.
How am I racist?I do not like the majority of black people,why?Because the majority act very uncivilised.Now,the ones who are caring,hard-working individuals have my back any day.They are the ones I care about. So that makes me "racist".
Now,I do not live-in a trailer.That is a stereotype. I do not have a shaved head and I am not a hitler wannabe. I am proud to be white,and that makes me part of the AB.
I do not like some white people,such as white trash.
I do not like some chinese people,but I admit that chinese are on average smarter than all other races.
I do not like the black influence on my generation. I do not like wiggers who tell me to act more black.Everyone should be proud of their race.I get in trouble for saying white power,while a black can say black power and be applauded.I do not like being made to feel guilty for being prejudiced against certain individuals.
The thing that tipped me off in a "racist" direction was the fact of immigrants coming to my country,collecting welfare and bitching while my white brethren struggle to make ends meat and minorities get special benefits and spew crime.
That is the tip of the ice-berg. I am not some skinny skinhead punk piece of shit. I will talk to anyone of any race and befriend them if they are a decent individual.
I am proud to be white,will not tolerate racism against my ethnic background and I will support my white brothers from racial attacks.
I do believe the white male is an endangered species.
Why do I have to go to school everyday and be discriminated against by east indians?I don't go to their country and insult them.
That would be fucking rude.But they do it here.


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i found this to be a very intellegent argument, especially considering that it managed to make about 10 people agree with a man who called himself aryan brotherhood in an age of oversensitivity about race. have you studied the art of argumentation?

do you mind if i debate you just to polish up my skills? i see alot of the anti-straw man debating tactic in your presentation. i would like to try to out debate you.

 

[flickenu]

I judge people on their individuallity.

Because the majority act very uncivilised.

Contradiction? Do you know the majority of black people?

The thing that tipped me off in a "racist" direction was the fact of immigrants coming to my country,collecting welfare and bitching while my white brethren struggle to make ends meat and minorities get special benefits and spew crime.

Since when is this your country? I'd really like to hear a reply on this one.

I do believe the white male is an endangered species.

Why? Is it because somebody you think is smart told you that?

do you mind if i debate you just to polish up my skills? i see alot of the anti-straw man debating tactic in your presentation. i would like to try to out debate you.

Debate me first, move onto your 'aryan brother' after that.

 

[Lao Tzu]

this isn't an attack aryan. i just think you are extremely good at debating and want to see if i can out debate you.

i have no idea what the proper english or latin names for these tactics are, so *shrug*



Here's who I am.
I maybe "racist".I do not stereotype a whole race and "hate them all".I judge people on their individuallity.

racism = (in the public mind) people who believe all people of race X are bad. i do not believe that. therefore i am not a racist.

argument via comparison




I have friends of many colors.

racism = people who believe all people of race x are disgusting, i don't believe that, therefore i am not a racist.




How am I racist?I do not like the majority of black people,why?Because the majority act very uncivilised.

small steps. draw a line in the sand 3 inches in front of you, then another 3 inches ahead, soon you are agreeing with a man called aryan brotherhood.

slippery slope tactic




Now,the ones who are caring,hard-working individuals have my back any day.They are the ones I care about. So that makes me "racist".

racism = people who believe i will never agree with or aid a person from race X. i will not do that, therefore i am not a racist.



Now,I do not live-in a trailer.That is a stereotype. I do not have a shaved head and I am not a hitler wannabe. I am proud to be white,and that makes me part of the AB.

anti-straw man argument (straw man argument is whey you exaggerate someone elses position so that the position is soooo extreme that no one in their right mind will agree with it. the anti-straw man argument (if that is what it is called) does the opposite. it takes a controversial subject, then refines it by taking out the socially abnormal parts so it is socially acceptable).





I do not like some white people,such as white trash.

racism = i hate members of race X. but i don't act that way, therefore i am not racist.




i hate blacks because some of them are uncivilized.

a valid reason to hate certain blacks. but aside from the image of racism, you can get that same philosophy from the republicans.




I do not like the black influence on my generation. I do not like wiggers who tell me to act more black.

anti-straw man argument




Everyone should be proud of their race. I get in trouble for saying white power,while a black can say black power and be applauded.

argument via comparison
appeal to conformity




I do not like being made to feel guilty for being prejudiced against certain individuals.

anti-straw man argument





The thing that tipped me off in a "racist" direction was the fact of immigrants coming to my country,collecting welfare and bitching while my white brethren struggle to make ends meat and minorities get special benefits and spew crime.

anti-straw man argument
appeal to reason
appeal to fairness




That is the tip of the ice-berg. I am not some skinny skinhead punk piece of shit. I will talk to anyone of any race and befriend them if they are a decent individual.

racism = skinny white kids who hate for no reason & do not like anyone of race x (like the kids on american history X). i am not like that, therefore i am not a racist.




I am proud to be white,will not tolerate racism against my ethnic background and I will support my white brothers from racial attacks.

anti straw man argument
appeal to reason
appeal to fairness



I do believe the white male is an endangered species.
Why do I have to go to school everyday and be discriminated against by east indians?I don't go to their country and insult them.
That would be fucking rude.But they do it here.

appeal to fairness
appeal to conformity



technically you won the debate by proving you 'aren't' a racist, as racists are not percieved as having the psychological attributes you have (racists hate every member race x for no reason. you hate certain members of race x for a valid reason).

if so, why call yourself a member of the AB? why not just join the republicans? they can offer you the same philosophies you just said you have, but without the stereotype of being abusive to blacks. sooo, other than the image of racism, what other reason is there to be a member of the AB that you can't get in mainstream organizations?

and why not start a 'new racism'. the old one is too controversial for a philosophy like this to exist peacefully.


aw fuck. i probably made an enemy.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Debate me first, move onto your 'aryan brother' after that.

why

 

[flickenu]

why

what are you talking about? I've never talked to you in my life.

 

[Lao Tzu]

what are you talking about? I've never talked to you in my life.

yes you did. in the thread about being banned.

 

[flickenu]

Why didy ou just change your post from "I don't want to debate you. you don't like me." to "why"

 

[Lao Tzu]

Why didy ou just change your post from "I don't want to debate you. you don't like me." to "why"

because i don't want to get into an agressive argument.


i assumed you didn't like me because of the comments on the thread about being banned. i told you i was joseph stalin, you said 'i dont care, i care about who you would ban', i said i would ban you then.

 

[flickenu]

because i don't want to get into an agressive argument.


i assumed you didn't like me because of the comments on the thread about being banned. i told you i was joseph stalin, you said 'i dont care, i care about who you would ban', i said i would ban you then.

First of all, I thought you were someone else. Second of all, I wasn't being a prick about it I was just joking around. I would have put a smilie face after it to show that but those things annoy the shit out of me. Now if you would so kindly do so, please explain what I asked you in the previous reply...

 

[Lao Tzu]

First of all, I thought you were someone else. Second of all, I wasn't being a prick about it I was just joking around. I would have put a smilie face after it to show that but those things annoy the shit out of me. Now if you would so kindly do so, please explain what I asked you in the previous reply...

i changed it because the first reply sounded aggressive. i hate my fucking paranoia. it ruins my social life.

 

[Lao Tzu]

what shall we debate?

 

[flickenu]

You said the majority of black people are uncivilized, but yet there's no way you can know the majority of black people. Right before that you said you judge people by their individuality. If that's the case then how can you call yourself 'racist'. From the sounds of it you're not racist, you just dislike alot of people, and it just so happens that alot of them are black. Take me for example- I'm not sexist, but I don't like probably 75% of the women I know. Alot of them are insecure, psychologically weak, and not as intelligent as men. But I don't sit there and say, "hey bitch go cook me some pancakes."

You also said immigrants moved to your country, how is this your country? Just because the majority of people living in it are white?

 

[The Varnsen]

I´ve got some news to you, aryan friend: You´re also an immigrant in America!!! Now you know... And why are you proud to be white? Is that something you achieved or conquered? No, i believe you were born white... So, you don´t have anything to do with your color... You were jut born like that...

Hasta and be proud of something you actually do...

 

[J-Ro]

I have friends of many colors.

I know people who are "friends" with black people. Then they call other black people "nigger" behind their back. Some friend...

 

[Lao Tzu]

You said the majority of black people are uncivilized, but yet there's no way you can know the majority of black people. Right before that you said you judge people by their individuality. If that's the case then how can you call yourself 'racist'. From the sounds of it you're not racist, you just dislike alot of people, and it just so happens that alot of them are black. Take me for example- I'm not sexist, but I don't like probably 75% of the women I know. Alot of them are insecure, psychologically weak, and not as intelligent as men. But I don't sit there and say, "hey bitch go cook me some pancakes."

You also said immigrants moved to your country, how is this your country? Just because the majority of people living in it are white?

ummm. those aren't my opinions. they are aryan brotherhood's. i cut & pasted a post of his from another quote as i thought he was a really good debator. my reply to his posts can be seen under the

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in an earlier post in this thread i tried to show all the tactics he used in order to make his views appear acceptable.

 

[flickenu]

i'm extremely confused. you should have clarified that was AB's post. I thought those were your opinions and you were siding with him. Now I understand your 2nd post, I didn't have the slightest clue what you were trying to say.

 

[primetime21]

Some people should find something better to do with their lives. While some of his comments may make "sense"(at least compared to others of his kind) i am baffled as to his motives. If blacks are so uncivilized then why must he spend so much time thinking about them? Its amazing how these aryans feel that blacks are soo inferior and yet spend their whole lives thinking about them.

 

[gymnpoppa]

To the Aryan dude, he needs to check his history, he has some flaws....it was pointed out by a couple of people in Ryan's post that Aryan's originated in Iran.....they are not blue eyed, blonde-haired Germans as often perceived. They are dark-skinned....Middle Easterners.....You'd think a person would know these things before spouting off ignorant rhetoric.......I'm interested to hear his reply

Good post Varnsen.......

 

[ARYAN-BROTHERHOOD]

Hey,yes,we are all immigrants,but,My family was the first settlers of texas.
Also,I do agree with aryan's being from the middle east. What do you want me to call myself?Causian brotherhood?Fuck that,im AB.


I am not a traditional AB,because I am not an anti-semite.In fact I support jewish people. I do not like mexicans or east indians.
They cause me trouble I do not need. As for debating me,go ahead. But I must warn you,I suck at debating so you WILL pick me apart.

 

[Big Brother Val]

The Varnsen... if no one can be proud of their race, because they're born that way... why do we have titles? "African American" "Indian American" "Yugoslavic American"... who cares?

Everyone for the most part is proud of their race. But, in my experience... white people are the only ones who get shit for being proud.

 

[HumorMe]

Big Brother Val........you are exactly right! We do get the shit for being proud. The playing field is not level!

 

[Galen]

Flickenu do even know how to read? ur ignorance is irritating

 

[Lord_Suston]

Are you Iranian, cause if you are then you are a Aryan, but that would also mean you are a foreigner. but then again you have to be a foreigner if you believe in white supremecy cause Native Americans are the ONLY NATIVES here.
It ok to be proud of ones ethnicty but to bash others for being foreign is the most ignorant shit I have heard lately.

 

[Revenant]

Flickenu do even know how to read? ur ignorance is irritating

galen do even know how 2 structure sentence? U R sux! Thx!

 

[MP5]

aryan, welcome to elite.

 

[Drizzt]

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galen do even know how 2 structure sentence? U R sux! Thx!

Perhaps you should look at your own sentence structure before you rip on others you fucking moron.

Drizz

 

[fiatconspiracy]

black power, white power, i guess It is ok to support your group, and I think white people have been shit on for being white, but shit it would be a wonderful world if we all had sex with each other and made mixed babies, it would bring us slowly together,

 

[flickenu]

Flickenu do even know how to read? ur ignorance is irritating

You weren't around when the original post was made. Originally he didn't have anything about it being AB's post. I thought it was his. Then after I replied he changed it to show that it was AB's post. He edited another part of his post after I had replied also. That's why my replies look so fucked up.