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Herniated discs cervical

ike29

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looking for feedback from people who have had problems bet there 5-6 , and 6-7 . just spoke to doctor and i have 2 herniated discs, pain was shooting down my arm, but has subsided, but the problem now is i have lost strength in my left tricep. was wondering if anyone had theis happen to them, and if so what action did they take to alleviate this problem. any feedback would be appreciated..
also if people had the surgery, i would like to hear who the rehab went.
 
I'm just getting over the same thing. It's been almost 6 months. Tell your doctor to give you prednisone. It helped me. Also, ask him about an epidural injection.
 
I had a bulging disk surgery a year and half ago. L5 disk. Before the surgery, I had pain in my right butt and my toes were numb. The surgery wasn't bad as they put me to sleep. However, the result was phenomenon. The pain is gone and the recovery is ongoing. However, squats were a little hard for a long time until I got on some good cycle.

With surgery, I would say it's worth it and the recovery will take over a year or so.

Good luck
 
nuh_mizer said:
I'm just getting over the same thing. It's been almost 6 months. Tell your doctor to give you prednisone. It helped me. Also, ask him about an epidural injection.
No offense but I have to ask why prednisone, why any anti-inflamatories at all? Why is everyone trying to reduce inflamation when inflamation has been PROVEN to be ESSENTIAL in the healing process?

If you have herniated disks its likely not the problem, but a symptom of the problem, cutting you oepn and chipping disks etc is treating a symptom. Far too many people use pain as a gauge for health. If pain, or more accuratly lack of pain is an indication of weather or not you are injured then how come they can numb you up and proceed to chop you up, you dont feel pain so you muct be ok by your reasoning.

If your disks are bulging/herniated its likely do to laxity in the tendons/ligaments that supprt the spine and that is the actual problem, the disk issues are a symptom of that problem. Taking anti-inflamatories greatly reduce the bodies natural healing cascade and over time healing can actually be suspended, leaving you in a weakened state and prone to further injury.
 
I had two discs, 5+6 operated on. They fused them and put 3 titanium plates in there. That was two years ago and I am 45 now. I lift heavy but know what I can and cannot do. The rule is if it is uncomfortable, don't do it. Your body will let you know.
 
Zyglamail said:
No offense but I have to ask why prednisone, why any anti-inflamatories at all? Why is everyone trying to reduce inflamation when inflamation has been PROVEN to be ESSENTIAL in the healing process?

If you have herniated disks its likely not the problem, but a symptom of the problem, cutting you oepn and chipping disks etc is treating a symptom. Far too many people use pain as a gauge for health. If pain, or more accuratly lack of pain is an indication of weather or not you are injured then how come they can numb you up and proceed to chop you up, you dont feel pain so you muct be ok by your reasoning.

If your disks are bulging/herniated its likely do to laxity in the tendons/ligaments that supprt the spine and that is the actual problem, the disk issues are a symptom of that problem. Taking anti-inflamatories greatly reduce the bodies natural healing cascade and over time healing can actually be suspended, leaving you in a weakened state and prone to further injury.

After 5 months of suffering I asked my Dr to give me predisone and that has been the most effective treatment. Any pain is gone and my strength is rapidly returning. When the disc swells, it puts pressure on the nerves that run out of the cervical area at c5,6,7. As long as there is pressure on the nerves, he's going to go though what he's going through now. The only way to get rid of it is surgury or hard core anti-inflamitories.
 
Hey Zyg.......prolotherapy wont work here. If the disc actually herniated, which means the interior "jelly" of the disc is now outside the place where it should be, it can cause a chemical reaction which the body will react to by inflammation, which can cause chemical as well as mechanical irritation of the nerve roots.

Treatment....sure, oral prednisone can be taken, but a very small percentage of the prednisone will get to where it needs to be due to the digestive process. Worse is that you get all the side effects of the prednisone, which usually includes weight gain and lots of fluid retention. I do cervical epidurals and inject triamcinolone(another type of "prednisone") directly onto the nerve roots. I also recommend traction by a certified physical therapist if it is early enough. If the symptoms progress, then surgery is most likely what needs to be done if the herniation is mechanical and is touching the spinal cord or the C7 nerve root, which supplies the tricep. Bowel or bladder incontinence is also a direct line to surgery. Other treatments include nucleoplasty or disctrode, which removes some of the disc material by a needle. This is usually done in the back because herniated discs are more common there, but some guys with lots of experience will do the neck too.

Good luck.

T
 
Hey DocTodd - are you located on the East Coast? I've had "degenerated disk disease" for quite some time... I'd love to actually see a doc that has GOOD ADVICE FOR BODY BUILDERS!!!!
 
DocTodd said:
Hey Zyg.......prolotherapy wont work here. If the disc actually herniated, which means the interior "jelly" of the disc is now outside the place where it should be, it can cause a chemical reaction which the body will react to by inflammation, which can cause chemical as well as mechanical irritation of the nerve roots.

Treatment....sure, oral prednisone can be taken, but a very small percentage of the prednisone will get to where it needs to be due to the digestive process. Worse is that you get all the side effects of the prednisone, which usually includes weight gain and lots of fluid retention. I do cervical epidurals and inject triamcinolone(another type of "prednisone") directly onto the nerve roots. I also recommend traction by a certified physical therapist if it is early enough. If the symptoms progress, then surgery is most likely what needs to be done if the herniation is mechanical and is touching the spinal cord or the C7 nerve root, which supplies the tricep. Bowel or bladder incontinence is also a direct line to surgery. Other treatments include nucleoplasty or disctrode, which removes some of the disc material by a needle. This is usually done in the back because herniated discs are more common there, but some guys with lots of experience will do the neck too.

Good luck.

T
Great info DocTodd, a question for you, what is the most reliable way to tell if a disc is herniated? Is there a way the injured person can tell the difference between a herniation, a bulg or simply strains/spraings? As a patient we often trust our docs to do whats best for us, but I have found that they often simply do what they know, the gen practitioner may simply tell you to take anti-inflamatories and take it easy, another may prescribe prednisone, another an MRI and surgery. Is there a way, as a patient, to tell just what has been done.

In other words, if I came into your office and said I hurt my low back, it was strange, it was a light workout day and I unracked the bar to do shrugs, got a sharp pain in my lower back and its benn there ever since. It has subsided a little and it stiffens up after having been standing still or sitting for a while. I get a sharp pain when I inhale deeply. I can feel the area that is sore when i stand and lift one knee off the gound. How can we as patients make a semi educated decision as to weather or not the Doc we are seeing is persueing the ritht avenue of treatment?
 
Zyglamail said:
Great info DocTodd, a question for you, what is the most reliable way to tell if a disc is herniated? Is there a way the injured person can tell the difference between a herniation, a bulg or simply strains/spraings? As a patient we often trust our docs to do whats best for us, but I have found that they often simply do what they know, the gen practitioner may simply tell you to take anti-inflamatories and take it easy, another may prescribe prednisone, another an MRI and surgery. Is there a way, as a patient, to tell just what has been done.

I know I'm not DocTodd, but my experience was they did an MRI. My doctor led me to believe a herniation and a buldge are pretty much the same. Since he has weakness, it's probably more than just a strain.
 
ty for the feedback. going to another doctor on thursday. so iin most case , a herniated disc problem, doesnt just go away, and the problem with the strength in my tricep is what leads me to be believe hs is going to suggest surgery.
 
akrama said:
I had a bulging disk surgery a year and half ago. L5 disk. Before the surgery, I had pain in my right butt and my toes were numb. The surgery wasn't bad as they put me to sleep. However, the result was phenomenon. The pain is gone and the recovery is ongoing. However, squats were a little hard for a long time until I got on some good cycle.

With surgery, I would say it's worth it and the recovery will take over a year or so.

Good luck

Bump, my workout partner just had it done. It was amazing. He can walk straight now. It will be a while before he's back in the gym, but at least he is in no more pain.
 
Zyglamail said:
Great info DocTodd, a question for you, what is the most reliable way to tell if a disc is herniated?
If its serious pain enough to be a concern, an MRI needs to be taken. This way, you can see exactly what's going on with your discs while your doctor looks at them. With a little research, you can learn to tell the severity of disc conditions and what should be done for each. Also, since you're standing next to your doc looking at these, he cannot feed you bullshit about your condition. If he recommends surgery for a simple buldging disc, you can check him on it and find another doc.

Is there a way the injured person can tell the difference between a herniation, a bulg or simply strains/spraings?
A disc becomes herniated when the nucleus tissue is forced from the center of the disc. The disc itself does not slip. But, the nucleus tissues located in the center of the disc can be placed under so much pressure that it can cause the annulus to herniated or rupture against one or more of the spinal nerves which can cause pain, numbness, or weakness in the low back. leg or foot. In my case, I had pain down both legs and lost one type of feeling in the left side due to nerve damage.

A lot of people consider a bulging disc synonymous with a herniation, but I disagree. I believe that its generally accepted that a disc in the primary stages of natural compression is "bulging" once it is protruding outside the natural edge. Or maybe thats just how I've understood it these years.

As far as self diagnosing a disc condition...I don't know bro, it would be difficult. The typical places to have problems with discs will cause problems in your apendages, usually your legs, as it presses against the nerve associated with whatever leg or even internal organ associated with that nerve. The parts of my nerve that were getting crushed were also associated with my schlong which became a serious problem. Just as a heads up, this is possible.

As a patient we often trust our docs to do whats best for us, but I have found that they often simply do what they know, the gen practitioner may simply tell you to take anti-inflamatories and take it easy, another may prescribe prednisone, another an MRI and surgery. Is there a way, as a patient, to tell just what has been done.
With respect to back conditions, since they are very vague in nature, in my opinion, the only true way to know is have an MRI done(simple), learn how to read the basics(again simple), and look over the pics with your doc.


ike29, I had a bi-level surgery on l4,l5s1 3 months ago. It took me a few weeks to walk fairly normal. The only thing I could train was grip(bought some COC grippers). 1 month post surgery, I was in the gym with my cane using machines that I could do with no back strain and light weight. 1 week later, the cane was gone and weight was going up. 2 months post surgery, I was lifting fairly normal(no deads, squats or heavy overhead things). Now 3 months out I'm actually the strongest I've ever been at 262#. Still won't be squatting or deadlifting for a while, but all other lifts are great. Some days are kinda bad, I need to pop a few vicodin for pain and valium to keep a little relaxed, and am usually good to go the next day. Good luck
 
Thaibox said:


The parts of my nerve that were getting crushed were also associated with my schlong which became a serious problem.

Shit that is a problem!:D
Sounds like you made good progress.
 
I had C7 fused about 2 years ago.

Went to 5 different docs, did all the therapy and treatments, nothing helped me at all. Pain in neck and down left arm all the way to the finger tips felt like I hit my funny bone 24/7.

Mine was ruptured and totally wasted, so the only thing to do at the time was to go in and take the disk out and out bone in and titanium plate with four screws.

It sucked for about 4 months, feeling very altered and still hurt. Doc said it was inflamation. Now i do squats without problems. The only things that bother it are some shoulder exercises like side arm extensions and french curls bother it sometimes too.

Anyway sounds like similar sit. that you have so there is my feedback bro.

Hope you get better soon!
 
Any one heard of a Chiropractor. I hear they do wonders for bodybuilders. Keeping the Spine aligned and moving freely. You all should check one out.
 
Thaibox said it pretty well. Unfortunately, there isnt always a black and white answer. We as docs have to take the clinical things we see by examining the patient and try to correlate the MRI findings with it. If the puzzle pieces fit, then proceed with treatment options. Sorry guys...not always an easy answer. The good news is that treatment is similar.

example....Joe Blow says he has left arm pain and numbness...we get an MRI....shows a herniated disc ON THE RIGHT!!! Obviously the MRI doesnt help here. Funny thing is that i see this about once every week or two. I would probably do an epidural steroid injection either way.

Try less aggressive/invasive things first, and see how the patient responds. 90-95% of back pain is due to muscle strains.....i can attest that i fit into that category tonight while doing military presses!!!!!

Thaibox is right about the differences between herniated and bulging. Not a day goes by when a patient doesnt say i have back pain due to a bulging disc. But ALMOST ALL people have bulging discs, especially as you get older. This can even be due to simple things like prolonged poor posture.

To try to make it simple......3 conditions need to be surgerized(lol)....
1. new onset bowel and/or bladder incontinence that is not due to anything else
2. progressive weakness and/or atrophy
3. pain that hasnt responded to any other treatment for about 1 year

T

oh...im in Indianapolis right now but ill be in South Florida in about 3 months

as for a chiropractor...id rather get a smoking hot massage therapist. The bones in your back arent supposed to be moved as much as some chiropractors move them. But i have to say that most chiropractors are pretty good and we exchange alot of business.
 
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Zyglamail said:
Great info DocTodd, a question for you, what is the most reliable way to tell if a disc is herniated? Is there a way the injured person can tell the difference between a herniation, a bulg or simply strains/spraings? As a patient we often trust our docs to do whats best for us, but I have found that they often simply do what they know, the gen practitioner may simply tell you to take anti-inflamatories and take it easy, another may prescribe prednisone, another an MRI and surgery. Is there a way, as a patient, to tell just what has been done.

In other words, if I came into your office and said I hurt my low back, it was strange, it was a light workout day and I unracked the bar to do shrugs, got a sharp pain in my lower back and its benn there ever since. It has subsided a little and it stiffens up after having been standing still or sitting for a while. I get a sharp pain when I inhale deeply. I can feel the area that is sore when i stand and lift one knee off the gound. How can we as patients make a semi educated decision as to weather or not the Doc we are seeing is persueing the ritht avenue of treatment?


dude...go to med school. Those are detailed questions and dont necessarily have one answer. Or better yet, make an appointment...lol. I hope i answered some in my other posts. Sounds like a muscle strain by first impression cuz you arent describing any radicular symptoms.

T
 
DocTodd said:



dude...go to med school. Those are detailed questions and dont necessarily have one answer.
Thats a great idea, I should since most fucking docs dont know shit.
 
You are right...most docs only know what they studied and have blinders on for everything else. I was just trying to be funny though...i hope you didnt take it personally.

T
 
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