Here are the before and after pix for Dermatherm!!!!

[Primordial Performance]

2.5 grams of gear per week a good diet and cardio is what gave him that 6 week transformation, Dermatherm may have played a very small part but thats about it.
Dont get me wrong im not saying your product doesnt work it probably does, but dont expect us to believe dermatherm is one of the major reasons for the change.

Ah, then what do you guys need to believe a product works? A six page “special add report” with a paid IFBB pro endorsing the product?

I trust that Ironclaw knows his body well enough to know what AAS’s will do for him and what they wont do. From what I understand, he ran these same drugs in the past and has never reached this same point of leanness until he added the Dermatherm so I think that counts for something. Either way, I think its silly to argue about what % results came from what. Ironclaw is just a ground floor dude who had some great results and felt the product helped – thats it. We really arnt trying to pull the curtain over anything.

-Pp

 

[Mavafanculo]

bro, I never hid the fact that I was on a heavy cutting cycle, :.......

this is what you said in your post:

"Hey guys, here are the before and after pictures from using Dermatherm."

you didnt say "...from Dermatherm and 1.3 grams of juice EW." big difference.

 

[shape]

5-6 weeks???? total BS

 

[cipherking]

Read my post and you won't have a difficult time understanding what I'm saying. You don't need trenbolone to lose 12lbs and look lean.

I did read your post and if it wasnt an run on sentance maybe i could understand it thats why i asked. I wasnt sure how u ment what u said. I know u dont need AAS to lose 12lbs. what i was saying was i thought it might be other stuff he was taking in conjuction with the dermatherm. I swear I seen he was taking other stuff. Its a better way to judge how it worked if u use it without anything else. Thats why im going to try it myself.

 

[cipherking]

bro, I never hid the fact that I was on a heavy cutting cycle, :
1 gram of omnas ew
600 mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - ew
400 mg trenbolone ew
50 mg Winstrol - stanozolol ed
Clenbuterol and eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
strict diet and cardio

The pictures were taken about 1 week before I started the Dermatherm, and the after pics were taken about 5 days after the Derma ran out. So , there's about a 5 1/2 to 6 week time period in there actually. I said I ran the dermatherm for 4 weeks, the diet acutally started 1 week before I got the product. I know how my body responds to which anabolic androgenic steroids and diet and cardio, so I can honesstly tell you Dermatherm had a lot to do with the results I got in that time period.

ok, i trust what u say bro. im going to try dermatherm with my anavar. what ever u used you look great and thats all that matters. just dont want to get misleaded you know.

 

[njmuscleguy]

I haven't tried dermatherm, I'm sure it does what it's supposed to do... to what extent, I can't say for sure... the problem with alot of these "supplement" testers, and not just with dermatherm but any other supplement that comes out here, is that they run it with all kinds of other supplements as well as gear. You can't determine the exact effectiveness of that particular product this way. Too many variables. You have to run it alone. I've seen people do this with test-boosting products as well... how do you know which one does what if you don't run them separately?

 

[cboogsrun]

clen and eca with it? Man I was really pulling for you bro. Ah fuckit, I already ordered some and sustain. I like the effects of the regular dermacrine. So I'd continue to buy their products. I'm glad their prices dropped.

 

[ironclaw]

this is what you said in your post:

"Hey guys, here are the before and after pictures from using Dermatherm."

you didnt say "...from Dermatherm and 1.3 grams of juice EW." big difference.

If you would have read my 3 progress threads from before, you would see that I never hid the fact that of what I was using when it came to aas, and I also listed my diet, the whole nine yards bro. I never claimed Dermatherm was 100% responsibe for my results either, but it played a good part in the transformation.

 

[daveyboy2345]

clen and eca would most likley give those kinda results in 5-8 weeks alone.

throw in 500-1 gram of sauce a week to ward of catabolism and overtraining...

 

[e6er]

not even same person

Sorry, I call BS. Not for the fact he changed his physiqe, but the fact it took 4 weeks using Derma.