Help with moon face please !!

[johnnyboy3689282]

im glad you caught it steve, cause i was just gooing to say that using Nolvadex for pct is not what its for.... There is no proof or study that will show Tamoxifen Citrate will restart your naty HPTA.... There are studies that show why nandrolone and Nolva should not be mixed.. They MAY cause you to have gyno or prolactin.... The chances are raised higher.... You should stop the nolva and get an OTC PCT, and why would u run two SERMS in PCT? Id say its the sodium and water intake....

 

[the_alcatraz]

it'a clean food except 10 glasses of whole milk a day...I think that's healthy too, this just happened after Deca

whole = homo milk?

that's a lotta milk man

 

[Mushroomhead]

I was off of deca for 3 weeks and continued my test for 3 more weeks, then jumped on Nolva... Deca left my body at that time.

As far as milk goes, whole milk is full of awesome nutritions guys, lots of vitamins and minerals, the sugar is lactose !! its not the bad sugar

a lot of protein as well....

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ so you asked why you were bloated, got the answer.. and now you refuse to do what was suggested. what was the point in asking?

and yes lactose is bad sugar.. its sugar. also the milk is pasteurized you are drinking and all the minerals and vitamins are zapped away to high heaven. just imagine putting a piece of lettuce in the microwave and running it 5 minutes. think the lettuce will still have minerals and vitamins? do some research on the matter and not rely on brainwashing as a kid

 

[freakshow85]

1 cup of 2% milk = 30% calcium, 25% Vitamin D, 5g fat, 8g protein, 12g sugars

I wouldn't necessarily say it's full of awesome nutrition. I'm totally with Steve on this. I feel that milk is for baby calves. Human milk would be for a baby human.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE milk. I try my best to eat no dairy, but occasionally I give and have a bowl of honey nut cheerios. But there are so many better things than milk out there for protein, vitamins, and minerals. Hell, the majority of the world is lactose intolerant. You may be lactose intolerant and not know. I don't get sick when I drink milk. I do get some bloat, and if I drink too much for a few days, my digestive system slows lol. I grew up drinking milk all the time. It took going WITHOUT milk to see what it was really doing to me. Now I have a love hate relationship with it. Like I said, I like the taste of milk or whatever, but it's not worth the sides. Try 2 weeks without it and up your water intake to a gallon or more a day.

 

[die faster]

steve since you avoid milk completely, does the slightest bit of dairy get you bloated? this happened to me when i stopped drinking a gallon of milk a day and cut dairy out of my diet. i also started getting a ton of acid in my stomach.. so now i drink a couple glasses a day and i feel much more balanced.

but i agree, when i drink that much milk, the bloat is just a given. milk + deca and youre deff gonna have moonface. milk + deca + nolva and yeah idk what you expect lol. like steve said that deca can linger for a while in your system, so i wouldnt be suprised if its still contributing to your water weight

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ depends on what i eat.. cheese seems to really mess me up. i do eat greek yogurt on occasion.. and of course whey protein but NTBM protein has a good chunk of it isolate which is very easy to digest. I wouldn't say i avoid dairy completely, its impossible cause if you go to a restaurant you are gonna get butter put on things or they will put ranch on salads etc. so you will still get SOME dairy but i get a very small amount.. i love my italian food on occasion and of course it has dairy so I don't avoid it 100%, but i avoid purposely drinking milk.. i think i would puke if i drank milk at this stage.

as a side note the calcium in milk is a myth.. milk actually ROBS the body of calcium...this is why the US has the highest osteoperosis figures in the world cause we drink so much of it (especially people in the south), the lowest are in southeast asia where a small % of the population consumes cow milk... look these figures up online i'm not making them up. not to mention 70% of the US population is lactose intolerant, meaning are not capable of digesting lactose, which means it will sit in the stomach and get eaten up by bacteria.. notice you will get stomach cramping after dairy, that is why. and bloating up like a pig there ya go.

so milk DOES NOT do a body good. but the dairy industry puts out billions in ads all over the place and supermarkets have an entire aisle of dairy and you will notice the fatties are the ones who are in those aisles buying their milk, butter, etc. its big business. i haven't touched milk in about 8 years and i'm healthier for it and my calcium is perfect. if you want calcium believe it or not the best place to get it is mineral water and dark leafy veggies. in fact veggies have all the minerals and vitamins you need and people don't get enough of them, this is why disease, obesity and sickness is so rampant across the country.

 

[Mushroomhead]

I'm sorry habibi but I go with real study researches...

Milk minerals
Minerals are stable under pasteurization conditions and there is minimal change in their concentrations after pasteurization (Rolls and Porter 1973). Both in vitro and in vivo studies demonstrate that there is no impact of pasteurization on milk mineral content and mineral bioavailability (Van Dael et al.,1993; Weeks and King, 1985; Zurera-Cosano et al., 1994).

As discussed in a previous section (claim 3), the concentration and bioavailability of calcium, the most nutritionally important mineral in milk, is the same in raw and pasteurized milk. In another study, Van Dael et al (1993) demonstrated using in vitro method that the bioavailability of zinc and selenium in milk was not affected by pasteurization (73°C/15s) or sterilization (110°C/10 min).

Milk vitamins
Milk contains both fat soluble and water soluble vitamins. Fat soluble vitamins include A, D, E, and K. Water soluble vitamins included B1 (thiamin), B2 (riboflavin), niacin, pantothenic acid, B6, biotin, folic acid, b12, and vitamin C (Renner et al., 1989). In general, pasteurization has a little effect on milk vitamin levels (Bendicho et al., 2002; Renner et al., 1989). Vitamins that are present at high levels in milk, such as riboflavin, B6 and b12, are relatively heat stable. Other factors, such as storage temperature, dissolved oxygen, light exposure, packaging, and length of storage can have a much greater impact on milk vitamin stability (Gaylord et al., 1986; Kon, 1972; Lavigne et al., 1989; Pizzoferrato, 1992; Renner et al., 1989; Scott et al., 1984a; Scott et al., 1984b).

The only vitamin that is significantly heat labile is vitamin C but milk is an insignificant source for vitamin C. A cup of milk (240 ml) only provides about 5 mg of vitamin C (Renner et al., 1989).

Vitamin C is very susceptible to oxidation. Sample to sample variation can be considerable (Scott et al., 1984a) and degradation can happen immediately after milking due to photo-oxidation (Kon, 1972; Renner et al., 1989; Scott et al., 1984a). Reported values of vitamin C vary depending on seasonality, storage temperature, and elapsed time before analysis.

Lavigne et al (1989) reported that HTST at 72°C/16s reduced vitamin C in goat milk by 5%. Haddad and Loewenstein (1983) observed vitamin C level of 23.3 mg/liter in raw milk. After pasteurization at 72°C/16s, vitamin C was reduced by 16.6%. Similarly, Head and Hansen (1979) reported that in whole milk, vitamin C was reduced about 15% (from 24.3 mg/liter to 20.7 mg/liter) after pasteurization.

The loss of vitamin C increases with heating temperature and time and fits the first order kinetic model (Bendocho et al., 2002; Haddad and Loewenstein, 1983). Substantial loss only occurred after very high temperature heating for long time. For example, heating at 90°C for 10 min can cause 70% reduction in vitamin C (Bendicho et al., 2002).

Interestingly, Pizzoferrato (1992) indicated that vitamin C retention during storage is better in heated milk (72°C/15s, 75°C/15s, 80°C/15s) than in raw milk. The better retention was due to the removal of oxygen and the inactivation of peroxidase and microorganisms during heat treatment (Pizzoferrato, 1992).

 

[SimbaUnleashed]

Ketogenic diet will do it in less than a week.

Basically, stop eating carbs completely for a week.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ you mean the studies funded by the billion dollar dairy industry right? saying pasteurized milk is as good as pure milk is like saying sunny Delight is as healthy as freshly squeezed oranges off a tree. makes zero sense.

and i'm sure gatorade and its high fructose corn syrup content actually is good for athletes too cause they did studies on it using Peyton Manning and other athletes, and mcdonalds is good too cause i see olympians eating it on commercials. funny how i don't see athletes carrying around jugs of milk with them everywhere. i see them carry WATER.

name me ONE other mammal that drinks milk past infancy. especially the milk from another animal. also if milk is so great then why did u ignore the stats that i brung up that the US consumes the most milk yet has the highest osteoperosis in the world and also is incredibly obese. would you drink human milk as an adult? so why then do you drink cow milk which makes baby cows fat? are you a baby cow or a human?

I didn't want this thread to turn into a milk debate but I will gladly have it cause the facts are on my side.

but keep on drinking milk and being bloated, if that is the look you are going for i won't fault you.. but i will pass on the moon face, sugar, and empty nutrition that is in milk. you should be drinking 10 glasses of water a day, not milk. the dairy industry did not even exist before the 1900's when farmers started up dairy farms, it was actually kind of a ponzi scheme and many farmers failed in the midwest due to disease and lost their life savings when their cows died. the ones that survived today are almost non existant, today that milk you drink isn't courtesy of a family farm.. its a corporate farm, and they inject that cow full of hormones to produce as much milk as possible.. maybe you should visit a farm sometime and see how it all works, you won't want to eat milk anymore after seeing it.. or even eat an egg that isn't cage free when you see chickens in cages walking around on their own shit

again i'm not saying I avoid dairy 100%, but i consume is sparingly. just like i don't realistically avoid all sugars, salts, bad fats, etc. but purposely taking a bag of sugar or salt into my mouth makes as much sense as drinking gallons of milk a day. at your age you can get away with being lazy with your diet, but wait till you get a little older. all that milk you are drinking is gonna go straight to your love handles and gut and if you think you are bloated now just wait till your metabolism slows down into your late 20's.. you are only 22 so you can eat hot dogs and mcdonalds and get away with it, we all for the most part ate trash when we were young.