Help with HGH / stacking / first time HELP

[gars80]

Hi All,
I have a few questions that only here I might get the answers I need.
I am 31/Male 165 Lbs 5'6'' with some body fat that still need to lose so abs start showing. Plateau bench at 225 Lbs (3-4 reps) working out steadily for the last two years, only used supplements before (Which helped back then). I train hard, 5 days a week, healthy diet. After realizing that before taking it to the next level some help is needed I got myself:

Dbol 50 mg - ORAL
Proviron 25 mg - ORAL
Liv-52 - ORAL

This is an 8 week cycle. After reading threads in here I am confused. Some people say that this specific stack is for advanced users only. However, I have heard from a few people that it is ok.

I am on HGH (Genotropin from Pfizer) for 2 weeks now. currently doing 1.2 mg (3.6 ui) at bed time. I have another 7 vials for a total of 84 mg (252 ui). I have also read this is good for when off cycle, but I have also read is good for stacking, and also that it is good by itself and that is why I started doing the HGH by itself. All I want for now, is to use what I have in the best possible way as a jump start to be in the next level. (This is my first time) I have been doing research for the last two months and I need to make sure I am doing everything possible to maximize the effects and subsidize the sides. at the moment no way to go to doctor.

1) Should I start the Dbol, proviron and Liv-52 ALL at half dosage for 8 weeks?
2) Should I discontinue HGH or stack it with the half dosage or lower of Dbol, or leave it for when I am done with the Oral treatment.
3) Need help with my PCT, even though some others said I do not need it because of the proviron. do I need a PCT, I am not really looking forward to do all 50 mg of the Dbol or Proviron.

Please Help.
Thanks a lot

 

[CoBra666]

What is your reason for hgh in the first place?

 

[gars80]

Even though there is a huge debate whether HGH helps gain lean mass and lose fat and others think it does not help, After the research I did regarding HGH I found a lot of data that states the benefits of HGH for 5-6 months. So the main reason I started Using it was because I thought the ORAL's I had ordered were going to take much longer, However, they came sooner than I expected and I had already started the HGH which I wanted to do anyway. A lot of people say its a great stack when you combine with other roids, but I am not too sure and this is why I am trying to get all the help I can here from more educated people than me.
Thanks

 

[dylangemelli]

your going to need to run hgh at the minimum of 6 months to see results... keep in mind though that it is very dangerous... there is the risk of your organs growing which is the main reason why I won't touch the shit... thats scary man... if you are adamant about running it then you can run it with any aas or ph...

as far as the cycle you laid out, that is FAR from an advanced cycle... that's very very basic to say the least... Whoever told you that you don't need a pct is a fucking moron and i would not associate with them... proviron is a fucking aas... i don't understand people at times... what the fuck they are thinking... anyway...

you should only this for 6 weeks... your dosage should be at least 30 mg of dbol a day and at least 50 mg of proviron a day...

pct
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol...

 

[gars80]

Thank you so much for the reply. It seems you are knowledgeable about the matter. Regarding HGH, I understand the risks, I will be running it for 5 months only and only to what is consider a small dose. I have read of some pros overdoing it and going as high as 36ui at once. I am only running 3.6ui.
I will take your advice and run for 6 weeks the 30mg of Dbol and 50 mg of Proviron and the Liv-52. I understand there are some people out there that might think they know what they are doing and this is the reason why I am trying to do as much research as I can.
As for the PCT, my expertise are not that great and I am quite confused with what you advised. would you please help me a little more with this? if you tell me the proper name, the mg, dosage and lenght it would help greatly.
Thank you so much again.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thank you so much for the reply. It seems you are knowledgeable about the matter. Regarding HGH, I understand the risks, I will be running it for 5 months only and only to what is consider a small dose. I have read of some pros overdoing it and going as high as 36ui at once. I am only running 3.6ui.
I will take your advice and run for 6 weeks the 30mg of Dbol and 50 mg of Proviron and the Liv-52. I understand there are some people out there that might think they know what they are doing and this is the reason why I am trying to do as much research as I can.
As for the PCT, my expertise are not that great and I am quite confused with what you advised. would you please help me a little more with this? if you tell me the proper name, the mg, dosage and lenght it would help greatly.
Thank you so much again.

the clomid dosage i listed is in MG... so week 1 25 mg and then the next 3 weeks 12.5 mg...

the unleashed/post cycle combo can be purchased here Post Cycle and Unleashed Combo - The best PCT supplements you can find.

just follow the instructions on the bottle for dosing

forma stanzol can be purchased at mrsupps.com... dosing is 5 pumps in the morning and 5 pumps 12 hours later... rub it on chest and abs...

 

[gars80]

Hi,
Your information has been very helpful. Now the next question I have is, Do I need all that PCT for only 6 weeks of 25mg of the Dbol and Proviron?

Something that worries me too a is the break out. I do break out very easy. I took some corticosteroids for Allergies right when the allergy season started and I broke up pretty bad in my shoulders mainly. a few on my face. However, I started with a special soap and also started taking vitamin b5 (Pantothenic Acid) about 2000-3000mg / day. It has cleared up almost completely. I have minocycline 50mg. Would that be an option if I start breaking out pretty bad? I will not want to go to acutane at all. Looking great is awesom, but not being able to take your shirt off is not cool at all.

I hope I am not wasting your time too much with all this stupid questions, but your posts have educated me big time.
Thanks again.

 

[joeblow12345]

I think with the hgh you should have started at 1-2 ius day. Are you having and sides from 3.6 ius? With the proviron and dbol follow what Dylan laid out. Have you considered a low dose test with your dbol and proviron? I would throw in atleast 250 Mg a week of test for 12 Weeks.

 

[dylangemelli]

Hi,
Your information has been very helpful. Now the next question I have is, Do I need all that PCT for only 6 weeks of 25mg of the Dbol and Proviron?

Something that worries me too a is the break out. I do break out very easy. I took some corticosteroids for Allergies right when the allergy season started and I broke up pretty bad in my shoulders mainly. a few on my face. However, I started with a special soap and also started taking vitamin b5 (Pantothenic Acid) about 2000-3000mg / day. It has cleared up almost completely. I have minocycline 50mg. Would that be an option if I start breaking out pretty bad? I will not want to go to acutane at all. Looking great is awesom, but not being able to take your shirt off is not cool at all.

I hope I am not wasting your time too much with all this stupid questions, but your posts have educated me big time.
Thanks again.

you are going to need a full pct, the one i laid out for you, on this cycle bro... pct is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ALL THIS... Don't ever go cheap or half ass pct or you will be very sorry...

as far as breaking out, i can't guarantee you won't.... you shouldn't but if your prone to it, its hard for m to say...

 

[gars80]

@Dylan, Thanks for the advise. @ Joe, No sides from HGH at all. From the journals I have read, 3.6ui (1.2mg) is still considered a very low dosage. I could go up as high as 8 ui and still will not be considered an over dose. I know of some pros who have used as high as 30ui, which is an overdose but had no effects (At least that they told people). I will not go higher than 3.6 ui anyways since that's is what I had originally planned as a 5 months treatment. Very expensive though and not used a lot because of it's price. I have read very good things about it, specially for cutting somewhere around 14% body fat a few months into the program since it re-balances your organism to burn fat for energy. This is why I am still a bit hesitant about running the other oral treatment, and the PCT afterwards. IT seems like a lot in combination with the HGH.

As for the PCT, I have Arimidex from a friend of mine, Would I be able to use that instead of the clomid? from my understanding, it will have the same effect as clomid. Now, since I am running the Proviron during cycle, would this Clomid or Arimidex be recommended as a PCT? I understand the Proviron also has the same functions as Clomid or Arimidex. However, I only have proviron for the duration of the cycle (6 weeks).
Thanks a lot