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Help with gyno concerns- Please.

SOLID

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Guys, I started to take 1.5cc EOD of Viromone Prop last week. Well I've noticed...
1. puffy nips and water retention in chest area mainly under nipple. 2. Nips are more sensitive than usual but not itchy or sore. I have some adolecent gyno that I could feel under my left nip before and tiny bit on the right side. I don't know if I'm paranoid or if it's getting larger. I don't know what to do - should I stop? I'm taking 1mg of Liquidex and 40mg of Nolva ED!!? Can you get gyno without the symptoms ex: itchy nips, painful sore nips? I don't want to add to what I have already FUCK! I was doing great with my anavar only cycle then I decided to throw in some Prop- Big FUCKING mistake! Within 2-3 I lost my cuts/vascularity and bloated out with no change to diet, training, etc. I'm fucking depressed and stressed out cause I don't know what to do. Stop the test and crash hard or run it and chance getting worse gyno. Can you get puffy sensitive nips without getting gyno or is this a symptom? Please help guys.

SOLID
 
Everyone is different. Lighten up the dosage but if it were me I would stop and hit the clomid. Would you rather crash hard or have gyno? Back off on the dosage first and see if it makes a difference, if it doesnt then hit clomid. I would keep on the nolva and dex til symptoms subside.

Just my 2cc
 
Torch said:
Everyone is different. Lighten up the dosage but if it were me I would stop and hit the clomid. Would you rather crash hard or have gyno? Back off on the dosage first and see if it makes a difference, if it doesnt then hit clomid. I would keep on the nolva and dex til symptoms subside.

Just my 2cc
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Oh def keeping the Liquidex and Nolva running strong. I even upped the Nolva to 60mgED. The thing is I got itchy nips from SUS, but this is totally diferent. I have never had puffy nips like this before...it fucking sucks! I don't know if it's gyno in the making or just water retention or what? I'm just fucking bummed:bawling:
 
If you just have puffy nips then it may vary well be water retention. Keep us posted, the liquidex and nolva should take care of it.
 
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I always get puffy ass nips during a cycle, and then it goes away. I think its water. also if your taking 1 mg of ldex, then I dont see how you would notice any water, and get any gyno, are you sure your ldex is real? + the 40 mg of nolv. Im gonna say your just being paranoid
 
bump:mad: why doesn't anyone ever want to help me out? Fuck. I help all you guys with your shit. Your supposed to be my homie's....BASTARDS!!! :insane: :freak: :doublefi:
 
Canuck4 said:
Yep, just run the nolva and liquidex. Maybe try some Bromo if your problem is prolact
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yeah i got some of that on order. using bromo plus yohimburn and maybe i'll get some let or arimidex. but i don't like to suppress estrogen unless absolutely necessary. i'm in a cutting cycle too....with anavar/T3/Clen, so that will help of course. as for you solid, we are changing your name to tittyboy. lol.
 
SOLID said:


WARBIRD>> :jester: :destroy: :kaioken: - I better not get titty's!!!

why would it be prolactin related?
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some shit like anadrol and others raise prolactin. i don't think what you are using would though.
 
you know...you guys are the only one's who ever take the time to help me out. Thanks! Everyone else can eat a dick! Except you :rainbow: 's out there...your punishment is that you don't get none...Punk's! :doublefi:
 
SOLID said:
you know...you guys are the only one's who ever take the time to help me out. Thanks! Everyone else can eat a dick! Except you :rainbow: 's out there...your punishment is that you don't get none...Punk's! :doublefi:
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we have nothing better to do. ;)
 
SOLID said:



asshole! :bawling:
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nah. j/k. i like to share info or ideas. especially because 99% of the people i know, i can't discuss this shit with. they are stupid fat asses or narc's. lol.
 
i believe your gyno is more complex than it appears. I also have gyno from test, and i was running 2g liquidex per day with 500mg test. my advice is to stop the prop, do you still have the anavar?
if not, you may want to try femara-i havnt yet but i will next cycle.

arimidex raises igf-1 wich MAY cause gyno...femara does not raise it..

best thing to do is stop the test, its not worth it.
 
Warmachine said:
i believe your gyno is more complex than it appears. I also have gyno from test, and i was running 2g liquidex per day with 500mg test. my advice is to stop the prop, do you still have the anavar?
if not, you may want to try femara-i havnt yet but i will next cycle.

arimidex raises igf-1 wich MAY cause gyno...femara does not raise it..

best thing to do is stop the test, its not worth it.
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so you think this is actual gyno I'm getting?:eek2: I'm also taking Nolvadex Today I'm taking 80mg, My nips feel better, I feel much tighter and I took another shot :rolleyes:. I do still have the Var, but only for about 6more days...but I'm going to try and get more. I may try to get some femara too! Shit no more test for me in the future.
 
my gyno always flares up during my cycle then returns back to baseline afterwards. if you are interested in getting something done about it then refer to my thread earlier about my upcoming gyno surgery.
 
correct me if im wrong, but ive seen studies showing both arimidex and nolvadex LOWER IGF-1, not raise it.

and letrozole is "supposed" to not lower IGF-1, but ive seen studies showing it both lowers or keeps IGF-1 levels the same.
 
arimidex "significantly raises igf-1, femara also "modifies igf-1 levels"

solid, i dont know if you were actually getting gyno, but its not worth it to find out! mine grew so slowly, it took me by surprise since it never hurt or itched


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well guys today it's much better. Not sensitive like it was. Not holding as much water. I'm going to continue taking the Prop, but keep a real close eye on things.

Warmachine- really no soreness or itching? How big did it grow? Where you taking anti E's?

Techlifter_2 - Post your thread bro.
 
If your puffy nips keeps up then I'd just quit the prop and get some Primo or something. Along with more var. Some people respond negatively to certain compounds. If you respond in a negative way to test (ie gyno) then I'd recommend searching out other alternatives that don't cause the same negative effect (ie primo).

Your Liquidex and Nolvadex dosages are already at their limits. I wouldn't want to take 80mg of Nolvadex for too long of a period. You could try Femara or Aromasin next go around if you so choose but I'd prolly stay away from the test altogether if you react that way.
 
I get bloated on test even when im on 1mg of arimidex a day. I have some adolescent gyno too, and it flares up on a cycle, I seem to hold water in the chest/nipps, nipps get a little puffier. But it will go away.
 
shifti said:
I get bloated on test even when im on 1mg of arimidex a day. I have some adolescent gyno too, and it flares up on a cycle, I seem to hold water in the chest/nipps, nipps get a little puffier. But it will go away.
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this is good to hear! :D - but I do think my lumps grew- don't know for sure since I never really played with my nips prior...but I may just be paranoid...not sure.

Here's the problem I'm dealing with. I would love to switch to something like Primobolan and get some more var and keep running this cycle, but I've been on for sometime now and my nuts are shrunk up. Which means I'm shut down. Now if I were too stop everything and hit clomid theraphy- I'm going to crash hard, probably get real depressed, put on weight from low test levels and fuck up my cutting cycle. I'm on T3 too right now too! Should I drop the dosage of Prop down to 200mg/wk just to have somewhat normal levels of test and continue with my cutting cycle or switch to Primo and var and let my test levels do what they do and hope for the best? Do you guys keep running your cycle's even though your nuts are peas? I need some serious feed back bro's...help me out.
 
how long have you been on? and what have you been using and for how long?

i orignally got gyno from tren, tried to get rid of it with a just liquidex cycle and it got worse. bigger still after my test cycle. i went up to 2mg a day with 500 mg test a weekl. gyno still grew.
its not THAT large though. not even noticable really, but I know its there...waiting to grow

btw-mine didnt hurt or itch. if you feel a lump behind your nipple, THAT IS GYNO. and i wont go away post cycle.
 
PopiChulo said:
Yeah take a chill pill you crack head its prolly just water
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what? fuck off asshole! Your the dick who gave me bad Karma and called me a crack head you fuck! What the fucks your problem? Eat a dick...punk ass.
 
Hey solid I never gave you no BAD Karma I am a stand up man, Now you really need to take a chill pill, its all good Solid sorry If I ofended you, didnt mean too. All I was saying is that its not anything to worry about, the more you think about it the more you are gonna think its getting worst.
 
PopiChulo said:
Hey solid I never gave you no BAD Karma I am a stand up man, Now you really need to take a chill pill, its all good Solid sorry If I ofended you, didnt mean too. All I was saying is that its not anything to worry about, the more you think about it the more you are gonna think its getting worst.
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true. I'm stressing out pretty bad...giving myself fucking anxiety. Sorry for going off on you bro...I'm all fucked up right now and snapping at anything. Someone did give me bad karma though and called me crackhead! :mad:

anyways...I'm over it. Peace.

SOLID:beer:
 
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