Help with Epistane cycle

[Spoony]

Hey guys. Ive been researching epistane and have a few questions. I am 30 yrs old 6'2" 210 and pretty muscular. Ive ran 2 cycles of M drol a few years ago, with milk thistle, cycle assist, and OTC PCT. I've put on about 10lbs of fat after getting married. I am back on healthy eating habits the past couple weeks and have dropped a few pounds. I have had a minor case of gyno since puberty.
My main goal is to drop the rest of the fat, hide/reduce gyno, and bulk up a little.
Ive already ordered all my supps for on cycle but I need some opinions on pct. My main concern with PCT is keeping the gyno at bay. I have liquid letro on hand. But with epi having AI like properties, I'm not going to run it with my cycle. But what about during PCT? I understand PCT is about getting your hormones, mostly natural T levels, back in order. But what about estrogen levels.... I feel like i have a weapon against gyno with the letro but i dont really know how to use it in the grand scheme of my cycle. Especially since its hell on joints, and so is the PH im goin to run. A little help guys...

This is what my plan is, is there anyway to include the letro? I was thinking i could start it about halfway through my pct and then taper off about 2 weeks after pct???

Preloading 2 weeks:
HC generate 5 caps a day
565 mg hawthorne berry
3 Liv52 caps a day
2 milk thistle caps a day
Tudca
Glucosamine and fish oil

On cycle 6 weeks:
Epistane 40/40/40/50/50/50
HC generate 5 caps a day
565 mg hawthorne berry
3 Liv52 caps a day
2 milk thistle caps a day
Tudca
Glucosamine and fish oil
Taurine (on hand for back pumps)

Off cycle 4 weeks:
PCT ?
HC generate ES 5 caps a day
565 mg hawthorne berry
3 Liv52 caps a day
2 milk thistle caps a day
Tudca
Glucosamine and fish oil

 

[Raff]

Don't run the letro it'll be counter-productive in both on-cycle and pct. Don't think you'll need an AI on cycle but for PCT, throw in some clomid from AG-guys, the HCGenerate ES is a great idea and not to be redundant, but if you run some ostarine (sarms1), that'll really help you keep our gains, keep you lean & vascular as well. That's a really solid & simple PCT! Go for it!

 

[Spoony]

Thanks man. I will look into the sarms1 to run with whatever pct i decide on.
Forgive my ignorance but why would running letro be counter productive on cycle? Because epi has AI like properties? And why would it be counter productive in pct?

 

[Raff]

Letro is VERY strong and will obliterate your estro. That hinders gains (so no-good on cycle).
The whole point of PCT is to get your hormones back into homeostasis(normal levels), so obliterating estro down to nearly zero with letro rather than keeping it a controlled level is no-good for PCT either.

 

[Spoony]

Thanks. That makes sense but whats the difference in letro vs clomid in pct? Heres what my understanding is.... I know letro dries out joints and clomid is milder on the sides. Letro is an AI, clomid a SERM but they both block estrogen, just in different ways.....

I plan on getting blood work a couple months after i complete my cycle. So ill know if im back in order.

 

[Shrine1]

Here is a good PCT layout

Clomid 50/50/25/25 www.at-Guys.com
Nolva 40/20/20/20 www.ag-guys.com
Aromasin 12.5 mg ED www.ag-guys.com
HCGenerate ES www.n2bm.com
Unleashed www.n2bm.com
GW 20mg ED www.sarms1.com
Ostarine 25mg ED www.sarms1.com

Post PCT
Bridge www.n2bm.com

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[Spoony]

I appreciate the layout man. Somethin like i was looking for.
But then again im very confused. One guy says letro is too much on pct and the next says use a different AI and 2 different serms? Like i said, im very appreciative of everyones advice and help but im just trying to understand. Maybe someone can elaborate a little because ive read so many different things in my research of pct with epistane. Some say its so mild, just an otc pct is all you need....

 

[Raff]

Shrine's the man, & knows his shit, no doubt about that. But his pct protocol he recommended is a bit overkill for your epi-only cycle.

 

[jester72]

I've run 2 cycles with Epi-Strong; one solo, and one with RS-Transaderm as a Test base. I PCT'd both the same.

1-4 Unleashed
1-4 Post-Cycle
1-4 Forma-Stanzol (5-8 pumps daily)

 

[Spoony]

Shrine's the man, & knows his shit, no doubt about that. But his pct protocol he recommended is a bit overkill for your epi-only cycle.

What would you recommend?