Help With Cycle

[RippedRule]

Ok, I am planning on starting my cycle in just under a month. Right now I'm thinking of stacking winny/test. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Stats: 6'1" , 195lbs, 21 years old, I have always been somewhat of a hardgainer but since college my metabolism appears to have slowed on me.

History: I took one test 450 cycle just over a year ago. It was too much test as I was shooting every 4 days. I had some bad sides [gyno, test crash post cycle]. After bloodwork my test levels were at the low-normal range but since then things have improved and I'm pretty sure I'm fully recovered.

Goals: After my last cycle I crashed hard and lost about half of my gains. I'm wanting to have a respectable size gain, [10 lbs lean muscle] but mainly concentrate on tightening/cutting up.

Any advice would be great. Is a winny/test combo the best for my goals? What dosages should I use of each. Obviously my first cycle was overkill as far as test goes. Thanks a lot guys!

 

[Makavelli]

If you're that sensitive to test you should be using an AI like arimidex. I would run test, EQ, and Winstrol. If you only want to use test and Winstrol then run the test at 600 mgs/wk for 12 weeks and then add in the Winstrol at 50-75 mgs/day for the last 6-8 weeks. Run arimidex with it and you should have no problems with gyno.

 

[amjmba]

I would stick to deca, primo depot, or winny with a little test. The stronger ones (d-bol, test, anadrol) give you bigger gains, but you lose more when you go off. I would rather gain less but keep it. Make sure you take Clomid or HCG/nolvadex after cycle.

 

[SwolK]

what PCT did you use for your last cycle?
are you sure that it was too much test, or did you not control the sides with an anti E?
I think if you answer these questions bro, then I will be able to give you my input on a cycle easier.

 

[RippedRule]

I used nolva throughout cycle and for pct along with clomid. Once I developed gyno I started more nolva/femara/dostinex and it actually got rid of the solid lumps.

I crashed hard - I'm not sure if the clomid just didnt do a sufficient job of recovering or if I supressed myself so much it just shut me down. I had no sex drive, libido probs, no motivation, fatigue...

I figured Sust 450 - every 4 days is near 900mg/week. IMO way too much for first cycle. I'm sure most people would agree?

Thanks for the input so far guys!

 

[SwolK]

rippedrule,
try 500mg or Test E per week 1-10
50mg winny ed week 5-10
start taking arimidex from day one
and keep nolv on hand.
have PCT some of these knowledgable bros help you out with an awesome PCT that cant fail. they know more then me

 

[SwolK]

to clarify, split the test up into 2 shots of 250 every week.
and I ment to say, have the pct worked out with some of the knowledgable guys here on the board. also, there is a PCT forum here that is awesome

 

[Makavelli]

I used nolva throughout cycle and for pct along with clomid. Once I developed gyno I started more nolva/femara/dostinex and it actually got rid of the solid lumps.

I crashed hard - I'm not sure if the clomid just didnt do a sufficient job of recovering or if I supressed myself so much it just shut me down. I had no sex drive, libido probs, no motivation, fatigue...

I figured Sust 450 - every 4 days is near 900mg/week. IMO way too much for first cycle. I'm sure most people would agree?

Thanks for the input so far guys!

It's actually not too much for a first cycle. It sounds like you should have used HCG with the nolva and clomid. Also extend your pct to 5-6 weeks.

 

[SwolK]

makavelli, you have a pm

rippedrule,
not trying to jack your thread. I think makavelli should be able to help your pct

 

[mikevegas]

Test is just not an effective drug unless you want to stay on it. You blow up with s good part water weight, then you crash down when you come off because your hormone systems shuts down on it and takes time to restart. Your now low test state gives up the gains you just made.

Drugs like Anavar, Primobolan, Andriol, EQ reasonably dosed will not affect your hormone system, won't bloat you, and will give you solid reasonable muscle gains you can keep if you aren't a year rounder drug taker.

 

[Oldpro]

Sust (Great base)
C/O Primo, Deca Dura, winny
Nolva during
Clom post cycle

Hey Mike, with all due respect I must partially disagree with test comment, I don’t think the use of test is the problem it is the abuse of it that is. It should rank with D-bol, in regards to safely. If used correctly and not used to go into the stratosphere of your natural ability, it can be effective and successful. I think because it is just so easy and the effects can be so dramatic without the "scary liver isues" people play down the dangers. Man it can all be scary!

Also, you got to admit PCT seems to be an issue here, increasing anti E’s later do to miscalculation won't always cut it if you are already in deep shit.

Just my .O2

 

[mikevegas]

I just think test is way to much used and abused in here. Obviously it works, but it is really a good drug for growing fast as long as you stay on it I feel. If you are competeing, go for it. But if not, I just think many of the people in here could find good long term growth and gains (and keep most of them) with minimal side effects if they would just me more patient in their goals. Everyone wants to be a monster overnite it seems. From my experience I can tell you this, the quicker you are to gain muscle, the quicker you can lose it. The slower you put in on, the slower you lose it.

The other thing I keep seeing is people using all androgenic drugs together, no anabolic. If you take Cyp, don't combine it with Eth or Prop, combine it with Primo, EQ, or Anavar. Combine quick growth drugs (androgenic) with solid growth drugs (anabolic) for more solid gains.

 

[RippedRule]

Ok I'm planning on ordering soon. Anyone experienced bad sides on winny? Just curious...

 

[SwolK]

Ok I'm planning on ordering soon. Anyone experienced bad sides on winny? Just curious...

aching joints is about it for me

mikevegas,
I think those other drugs will affect your hormone system