Help this Cycle!

[planetgambale]

Alright guys, Im gonna run a SUST/DECA cycle w/o d-bol. I have 10ml of Sust. and the same of DECA. I am going to have to run the Sus at 250mg/week 1-10, so my question is how to run the deca with it. Also, im going to run and liquidex at .25mg ED.
Please give me some advice if you can.. P.S. i have the pct covered

 

[help4john]

Experience, please? Is this your first, second, etc cycle, stats including height, weight?

Thanks!

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

You say you have PCT covered, what does thi include? I ask because you dont even mention the mg/ml of the deca and ask us how to run the deca w/ it. What brand are you using too?

 

[pumpeddj]

u should use at least 500 if not 750 mg of sust a week. 250 will just shut down ur natural production. 10ml of deca would only last like 5 weeks max. get all of ur stuff together for a real cycle. don't half ass em. also w/ th el-dex, r u using it to reduce bloat or keep estrogen low??

 

[planetgambale]

Experience, please? Is this your first, second, etc cycle, stats including height, weight?

This is my first cycle, im 5"6 155lbs, have a strong base and have been working out for 4 years, its Deca QV 1ml+300mg, i was gonna use the anit aromatase for both estrogen and bloat.

 

[help4john]

sorry, this is my first cycle, im 5"6 155lbs, have a strong base and have been working out for 4 years

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My opinion is that everyone's first cycle should be Test only. This will enable you to determine the effects of gear, ie. the sides, growth, etc. Some will argue that Test/Deca will be OK....but I don't find this to be the case. Cut the DBOL...overload for first cycle.

If you are at least over 21 (if not .... wati) for your size you may have decent results with 250 Sust EW for 10 weeks. You could bump this to 500mg EW...or start out at 250mg, determine results then perhaps bump to 500mg along the way.

Make sure PCT is in order and well planned so your gains don't turn to mush.

Good luck!

 

[jbradley2093]

Bro - I had similiar stats and history as you (Except I am 4 inches taller), when I did my first cycle.

I did 500mg/Week Sust and 300mg of Deca. I tool l-dex at .25 ed as well. This was a great first cycle for me, as I had a good diet and gained 18 lbs of quality muscle. I did Clomid post cycle and never lost a pound. I actually continued to grow (At a MUCH slower rate) after my cycle.

I would agree with what was posted above about using 500mg. I would not go over 500mg for your first, or second IMO for that matter. I would be afraid that 250 would be enough to shut you down, but not really benefit you that much. Get another 10ml and don't rush into it until you have all your ducks in a row.

Don't make a rookie mistake. Have everything planned out, and have everything in hand before you start. Don't ever pierce your skin with a needle until you have everything, ESPECIALLY PCT products.

Make sure you have a good diet and workout routine planned, and you will see good solid results that will last.

 

[planetgambale]

Bro - I had similiar stats and history as you (Except I am 4 inches taller), when I did my first cycle.

I did 500mg/Week Sust and 300mg of Deca. I tool l-dex at .25 ed as well. This was a great first cycle for me, as I had a good diet and gained 18 lbs of quality muscle. I did Clomid post cycle and never lost a pound. I actually continued to grow (At a MUCH slower rate) after my cycle.

I would agree with what was posted above about using 500mg. I would not go over 500mg for your first, or second IMO for that matter. I would be afraid that 250 would be enough to shut you down, but not really benefit you that much. Get another 10ml and don't rush into it until you have all your ducks in a row.

Don't make a rookie mistake. Have everything planned out, and have everything in hand before you start. Don't ever pierce your skin with a needle until you have everything, ESPECIALLY PCT products.

Make sure you have a good diet and workout routine planned, and you will see good solid results that will last.

Thanks brad, but say i leave out the l-DEX, and use HCG and nolva for pct, do you think i will still maintain my gians? And, did you split up the 500mgs of sus, like 250mgs Mon/ and 250mgs on Thurs.

 

[theoak01]

u should use at least 500 if not 750 mg of sust a week. 250 will just shut down ur natural production. 10ml of deca would only last like 5 weeks max. get all of ur stuff together for a real cycle. don't half ass em. also w/ th el-dex, r u using it to reduce bloat or keep estrogen low??

disregard the above,your not experienced enough for 750 of sust a week Ill say that,and I can tell by the questions you asked

here is a nice light cycle
sust 250mg/wk 10wks
deca 300mg /week 10wks

clomid/nolva for pct with hcg shots starting at 500iu e3d in week 8 concluding when pct is over

 

[jbradley2093]

Yes I split them into 2 injections per week.

Back then I used TTokkyo Deca which was 300mg/ml and I took 1cc of Sust and .5cc of deca twice a week.

I would take the l-dex if you have it. If not, get it from a research place online like ancillary guys. These days it is cheap, back then i bought Real L-Dex and it was considerably more expensive. It kept the bloat away, and I never worried about gyno. I have never used HCG for PCT, i have always used Clomid with good results, so I cannot speak as to the HCG.

PCT is going to be the key factor to keeping your gains, and assuming that you don't stop lifting after you gain weight (Seen that at the gym a few times.)

 

[planetgambale]

man, Ive heard that sust inj. hurt like a bitch, i cant imagine having to do them twice a week!

 

[help4john]

man, Ive heard that sust inj. hurt like a bitch, i cant imagine having to do them twice a week!

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