help! serious challenges adding muscle

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

I am a newbie and I am considering and researching my first cycle to add muscle growth to my upper body as well as my legs! I am requesting some advice on first cycles for a newbie, with minimal side effects.
I am 5'9", weigh 125#, and have always been lean. I have a problem gaining weight and adding muscle. I have for the most part had a normal diet, and find myself eating more foods with protein, or like, to help achieving the goal I want. I do have a protein assimilation disorder in digesting certain foods, so that is something to consider. I work out at least 5 days a week.
Any help that you could lend my way would be superb!! Thanks.

 

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

diet consists of 1800 calories... protein 150mg day

Training program consists of weights 4x week
cardio 40minx 4-5 days week

 

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

I am starting fresh... but I have heard of Anavar, Winstrol or Primo as possible ones that would work. I am just trying to get a feel for things at this point, but I would like to start a cycle come May 1... and I am not sure what else is out there....

 

[BBBodie]

Hey Bo...good to see you up here.

Patterson....I'm her trainer and also write her diet, she came to me with questions and honestly, I don't have a clue about what Anabolics work best for women. Last thing she wants is to have a jaw like Chyna if you know what I mean

As to her diet more specificially,

Meal 1 (pre workout) Protein drink 25g or so
Meal 2 (post workout) Protein drink with oatmeal (or oat bran) and some Nlarge total protein 40g
Meal 3 mid-morning Various proteins, some carbs (sweet potato type)
Meal 4 Lunch Protein (turkey, chicken or tuna) sweet potatoes, veges
Meal 5 Protein drink sweet potato
Meal 6 (Dinner) Fish, chicken, turkey type protein, steamed veges, etc.
Pre-bedtime (sometimes) protein drink

Total day about 1800cal 150g protein.

Workout is MTTHF
Legs
Shoulders/Calves
Push (Chest, Tri)
Pull (Back, Bi)

Abs as needed (she's lean and already in good shape, her abs are the least of her worries).

Hope that helps.

 

[smallmovesal]

looks like you need to eat more cals if you're bulking hon...

try at least 2500...

and if you plan to cycle i recommend anavar... SPA is the way most peeps are going these days from the sounds of it.

 

[smallmovesal]

lol i'm probably going by memory that is far too fuzzy then.. doh!

i did ip and it was good imo, but one has to be careful with that stuff of course...

i've been extremely busy catching up on schoolwork.. still catching up actually.

missed ya too hon

 

[smallmovesal]

i'll email you some pics if you pm me an addy spatts

 

[muskles]

bb-babe,

sounds like your training routine is for cutting. lots of the ladies here don't do much, if any, cardio while trying to bulk. and, yes, definitely up those cals.

i was at 1400 - 1600 while cutting recently, and i am only 5'4"

 

[MS]

I agree 100% with smallmovesal. That looks like a cutting diet to me. I also don't see any fat in there. Of course, always consult with your trainer because you wouldn't want to insult them by changing your diet behind their back But I will be so bold as to say it's frivolous to consider AAS at this stage until you've tried just plain old more food.

How long have you been weight training?? And what is your "protein assimilation problem"?

 

[BBBodie]

Her trainer is right here......

I referred her to the board for further information. I agree with the diet elevation, she's concerned she'll fill out too much in the waist and has gotten to a great competitive size/dimension. At this point, she just needs some serious filling out in the overall muscle/bulk area.

So, if we up her diet 600 cal, what would be the best "chemistry" to add to her regimen if she choose to go that way (I think that was her first question)?

Ciao!

Bbbodie of Bodacious Bodies

 

[MS]

600 extra cals of food is good chemistry to start, though still on the low side. Add some flaxseed or other polyunsat oils, and try to get more "real" food and less protein shakes. Maybe throw some higher GI carbs in with the post workout meal. Creatine, lots of iron, calcium, magnesium, zinc etc.... and general multi vites should also be taken in more than adequate amounts. Gallons of water............That's enough chemistry to make any one grow muscles if they're training hard enough. But calories and weight training are truly the most important. If this is not exceptable and she prefers to take AAS, then I'm sure some of the other women can advice on her best choices.

 

[BBBodie]

Agreed. She's already on Flaxseed and plenty of vits, and minerals (not to mention handfuls of Vit C). Due to her Protein assimilation disorder, it's actually "painful" to injest a lot of solid proteins, she gained the 9# of muscle in the last 90 days due to whey and a few more meals.

BB Babe, can you handle the extra protein and food? (at least 600 cals babe).

 

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

Upping the calories seems like the next step! See what happens..

 

[MS]

Righto, how about just increasing/cycling carbs as spats mentioned. There's really no need to increase protein per se. Carbs are the best food for building muscle IMHO (above a certain minimum requirement for protein). But if fat gain is a major paranoia, then increasing protein will work, albeit she'll need to increase cals even more than if she just adds fat or carbs.

 

[BBBodie]

Looks very good. 3000 cal (we'll customize this a bit, but very good (I might even use it for my own bulk cycle.

Where's your cutting diet? (the 2 on the 3:2)

Thanks!

Bodie

 

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

Right on! Will give it a shot!!!! Just don't want to look like it "will take me 2 trips to haul ass!" lol

 

[BBBodie]

as her trainer (and yes significant other), even 2 trips is a no-no. she's barely got one trip, and we both like that look

As to training, I scrounged some of Pumpgirl's workouts (legs and bacK) and we'll add some of her routines to it. Food is anabolic, this I know, it's just a matter of putting a lot of good stimulus to it and eating enough to maintain that anabolic state.

Should be fun, right Babe?

 

[bodaciousbuffbabe]

You betcha!

SMOKIN' !!!!

 

[BBBodie]

UPDATE:

She's been working hard on her routine and dropped the cardio, with no ill effects.

Diet is up to about 2200-2400 calories from 1600 and she's added about #2-3 a week for the last 2 weeks (started this program May 1st and has gone from 129 to 136 as of this morning).

More definition in legs, arms and abs still there. We're doing some formal measurements tonight, but my guesstimate is about an inch or more on Quads and definently a 1/2 on arms....

She's started cycling Anavar (IP is notoriously low/under dosed...so we've had to screw with settings) and our best estimate is between 8 and 12mg per day (3 tabs that should be 5mg, but are really about 4). She's getting better pumps, and the growth is obvious, the folks at work are seeing a difference and her nemesis across the hall, we'll just call her Ms. Jeni Craig, can't understand how she's put on a total of 16#, but is leaner, tighter, stronger and more buff.

Anyway, thought I'd update for Spatts and gang, you guys gave some great advice and the diet is doing the trick. We're both muscling up for our ride to Sturgis in August, and the group that went with us last year hasnt seen us in ages, so I think everyone's in for a very big surprise....BB-Babe is built....

Thanks Gang!

Bodie