help,,,not gaining at 1g test?!?!?!

[big pumper]

hey bro's, my gains have halted on my cycle. i will try to give as much info as possible, i have no idea why im not gaining, i have been stuck at 190 and i dont look any bigger although i have gained total 25lbs from my cycle (all while on dbol, 0lbs on just 1g test).

i am 19, this is my first cycle (i know, im too young and dosages are pretty high i already went though this on another thread but anway...).

i am on 1g blue diamond labs test e, and i took 35mg of dbol for the first 4 weeks. i gained 25lbs with the bol and test, but now i have stopped the dbol and my weight hasn't changed and i dont look any bigger, im thinking the test could be bunk but i didn't think there were bunk bdl products (i got it from one of their distributors so it should be 100%).

diet, rest, training, all should not be factors. my diet is bwx25 (2.2g protein per lb bw), i increase cals proportionatley as weight goes up. rest is 8-10hrs sleep a night, and training is solid as well.

im 19, on 1g of test a week and not near my genetic limit so i see no reason for me not to be putting on lots of weight. but like i said, since i stopped the dbol weight hasn't changed one bit (this has been about 1.5weeks).

i also have 0 sides, no acne, no hair loss, no change in libido, all this at 1g of test. i started taking nolva for puffy nips, but this was from the dbol i think.

has anyone heard of BDL test e being underdosed? is it common not to put on weight your first week of your cycle without the dbol (maybe the excess water weight is being shedded thus not allowing me to put on much weight in this time)?

here is my weight thoughout the whole cycle.

week 1 165-----175
week 2 180
week 3 185
week 4 190
week 5 190 (two days left to do, stopped dbol half way through #4)

Thanks for any input bro's, like i said i check diet and nutrition and rest etc every day and second guess myself everytime i get on the scale, all that other stuff should be good to go. Im just worried that maybe my gear is underdosed (but at how much if im using 1g a week and not gaining????) physically from the mirror i dont look 25lbs bigger from the start of my cycle, no one has commeneted that im on juice or anything, i really don't look bigger at all for some reason. but the net weight gain is 25lbs, all when i was using dbol.

thanks for any suggestions or input you bro's can give, i thought at such high dosages i would see more as long as other factors were in check but im not seeing results and i don't know why.

 

[big pumper]

oh yea, not sure if it means anything but my test e is 110% painless. i shoot it in my glute (2cc) pull up my pants and go to work, no masage or heat needed. could this mean it is bunk, because if it contains ba shouldn't there atleast be a little pain??? maybe i should masage and heat my ass anyway, or it may not be getting absorbed?

i dont know, im just trying to figure what the hell is going on.

 

[The Republican]

So, at 165 pounds someone told you it would be a good idea to start with over a gram of chemicals?

 

[Mo T 4 Me]

How tall are you?

 

[big pumper]

How tall are you?

5'10''

 

[John450]

BDL has been accused of bunk gear before, read the AB board, there is a thread there on his gear being bunk. This is fucking sad.

 

[big pumper]

So, at 165 pounds someone told you it would be a good idea to start with over a gram of chemicals?

hey bro, im not going to argue about this with you, yes it's a high dose. we will have to agree to disagree wheather i should have taken a gram of test a week for my first cycle.

given the sides the test is giving me (0 sides), and the gaines (0 gaines), i dont see how500mg would have been better.

im just trying to figure out if it sounds like the test im using is bunk or way underdosed, i have read all good things about BDL and this has me confused as to why im not gaining weight with 1g a week (at about 4500cals)/

 

[drrman]

you didn't know there was such thing as bunk BDL products....its an UNDERGROUND LAB, hell its basically bunk to begin with

you'd been better off with 250mg of sustenon, all the weight you got so far was from the water retention from the dball

another case of a person wasting their time with knock off gear

 

[SofaGeorge]

A: It is absolute bullshit to only take d-bol for 4 weeks. Take it for 7-8 minimum.

B: You need to eat more. Numbers formulas aren't absolute... everybody is different. (You may also need to add digestive enzymes. You may not be breaking down your protein.)

C. Now that you aren't taking d-bol you are dropping water... but your weight is staying the same... HENCE... you are adding muscle. You just aren't seeing it on the scale.

Thus speaketh the Sofa.

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

sounds WAY bunk and...I dont mean to pile on...way too much (if it would have been real) Be careful man, you aren't entering the Mr. O next year, right? How many years of solid training do you have under your belt?

 

[big pumper]

BDL has been accused of bunk gear before, read the AB board, there is a thread there on his gear being bunk. This is fucking sad.

i just read that thread, i guess i will stay away from BDL's garbage in the future. lets see, every single person who shoots their enanan gets 0 sex drive (including me). What a fucking joke, their gear isn't even reasonabley priced, $100 for a 20ml vial of olive oil.

 

[The Terminator]

You have gained 25 pounds in ONLY 5 weeks and your complaining...

Get a grip, you have gained a ton of weight, gear will not turn you into Mr. O in one cycle. (although with your exorbant dosages you might think it would...)

 

[big pumper]

you didn't know there was such thing as bunk BDL products....its an UNDERGROUND LAB, hell its basically bunk to begin with

you'd been better off with 250mg of sustenon, all the weight you got so far was from the water retention from the dball

another case of a person wasting their time with knock off gear

hey bro, i disagree that all underground is garbage, but i agree 100% that i will take euro gear over vet or UG gear. i thought i had some real testoviron, but it turned out that shit was fake also (i found this out in week 4 of my last "cycle".). so i decided to go with bdl because at least i knew it contained test, and wasn't a fake like the euro amps i had just bought. now i find out BDL's E is bunk shit, atleast i can run another cycle in a couple weeks as soon as i get some fucking gear because this olive oil won't shut me down. what a fucking joke!

 

[big pumper]

one more thing, since i basically did a 3.5 week dbol cycle, shoulnd't i lose most of my gains? i have been off the bol for a week and still haven't really lost weight, why is this? will i lose everything i gained, i would think it would have happened a little by no, right? or are the cals im eating preventing this from happening

 

[drrman]

im just saying bros, why chance it....

 

[abc 1]

how about getting a blood test done to see if you are actually shut down. your gear may be seriously under dosed, but all it takes is 250 test e a week to shut you down.
just a suggestion.

 

[DeepZenPill]

I can't believe anyone is agreeing that the test is bunk. Just like SG said, he's been off the d-bol and not lost any weight. The test is obviously doing something in that department.

You gotta realize there is a limit to how much muscle you can gain within a given time period. You gained 25 fucking pounds. That's certainly not something to be disappointed with. You could be taking 7g of test a week and you still wouldn't gain much more because your body just can't do it. There are diminishing returns. Count yourself lucky for not experiencing any sides, but I guarantee you will see some form of side effects at 1g of test in the next few weeks. I typically don't see acne until around the 4 week mark in my cycles.

 

[serge]

bump the dose up a few grams, you will be Ronnie Coleman in no time

 

[Bulk King]

I would think it's bunk. Good luck for you though, may have saved you from growing a nice set of titties. Don't know what was going through your head with doses like that at your age and experience level.
Guys using that much gear are either stupid and don't know what they are doing, or are experienced and need those doses because lower doses are no longer cutting it. Which are you?

 

[BrickGirl]

Okay, wow, this guy needs therapy for taking that much stuff at 19 years old. wow. As far as the Test being bunk, I seriously doubt that. geez, 1gram, rofl, that is insanity. **THINK**

 

[bigrand]

this is retarted.
A first cycle.....you can gain 25lb on just 8 weeks of test en at 500mg a week, why the fuck are you using a gram?
why dont you lower the dose to 500 a week and run it a few more weeks and see what happens.

 

[serge]

this is retarted.
A first cycle.....you can gain 25lb on just 8 weeks of test en at 500mg a week, why the fuck are you using a gram?
why dont you lower the dose to 500 a week and run it a few more weeks and see what happens.

i say dump it all........gained 25lb, take time off and recover while trying to hold onto those gains. the gains most likely peaked at this point anyway

 

[ripper911]

and also you are all water retention you cant possible gain anymore weight from a single cycle the wieght you added in the first 4 weeks is ALL water now that you have been off the dbol and now with 1g of test in your body your not gonna lose the dbol retention your just gonna hold it for as long as your on a high dose of test

ABC's Summary: Body has as much water as it can hold 25lbs. Body can not release water retention when on 1g of test. Body will hold water until estrogen is suppressed. At this point your weight is maxed out with water. Adding muscle weight becomes harder to measure due to the water retention...hhahaha

 

[Lumberg]

Add some liquid femara in there and see what happens.

I think that indeed the water bloat from the dbol is going away and being replaced in equal amounts of test bloat and some added muscle.

Eat more and try adding liquidex/arimidex/liquid femara/whatever and see what happens.

Even if you think you aren't going to gain any more, don't quit, keep up the gear to let your body get used to the gains to improve your chances of keepign those gains. HOwever slim those chances might be.

Wow.

Your heart is hating you right now.

 

[Shallow Hal]

I can't believe anyone is agreeing that the test is bunk. Just like SG said, he's been off the d-bol and not lost any weight. The test is obviously doing something in that department.

You gotta realize there is a limit to how much muscle you can gain within a given time period. You gained 25 fucking pounds. That's certainly not something to be disappointed with. You could be taking 7g of test a week and you still wouldn't gain much more because your body just can't do it. There are diminishing returns. Count yourself lucky for not experiencing any sides, but I guarantee you will see some form of side effects at 1g of test in the next few weeks. I typically don't see acne until around the 4 week mark in my cycles.

Exactly. If your test was bunk you would be losing weight fast. Why is everybody so quick to assume gear is bunk?

19 years old, first cycle, 1 gram of test, that is just sad

 

[THEEGAME2544]

OMG! This thread is fucking rediculous!!!

 

[Moderate_THIS]

25lbs... seems like that's all your body was going to gain regardless of dosage... as others said you could have done it at 500mg instead, but oh well... get off the gear in a week, commence PCT, and thank God almighty you haven't dropped dead from 1g/wk at 165 lbs. I hope the BDL gear is underdosed, for your sake.

 

[tapoutm]

I would hate to see those strech marks.

 

[babbabuee]

dude, I think you need to listen to the experienced bros in here. 1g a week!!! Oh and when I did my sust/dbol cycle I did loose a bit of water weight when I stopped the dbol and then the sust caught up. However, I only gained about 16lbs at my peak. I would be so fucking happy if I gained 25lbs off one cycle.

 

[stonecold54]

BEST advice so far, go to the doc and have your TEST LEVELS checked. if they aren't that high then your gear is fake. you have been off dbol for a week or so that should be clear of your system. all this speculation won't do shit for anyone. go to the doctor if you are really concerned.

 

[DTOX]

I wish you had before and after pics.

Seeing some kid blow up from 165 to 190 in 4 weeks must be f'ing hilarious!

Taken your blood pressure lately?

 

[big pumper]

hey bro, i went to walmart and they had the blood pressure thing and it was 145/66. i know that indicates the test e is real, but it is hard for me to believe with all the other factors saying it is bunk.


19 years old, haven't gained a lb since i stopped the bol (1.5weeks).

haven't had any sex drive since i stopped the dbol.

haven't had a zit since i stooped the dbol.

haven't had any hair loss whole cycle at 1g (yes, i am predisposed and i go bald just fine without test, but the "test" hasn't made it any worse)

i dont look any bigger, i look like im getting smaller actually. i do recall a while back i worked all day and lost 10 lbs that day, i thought it was from working hard and it was water, but if i remember correctly it was around the time i stopped the dbol, i actually think i peaked at 195 for the dbol , and i have gone down 5 lbs since then.

0 strength increase.

 

[stonecold54]

sorry for my rudeness but how the f#*k can you tell if test is real from a BP check? only way to tell BLOOD TEST (NOT BLOOD PRESSURE TEST)

 

[RADAR]

I Have no comment---i've said all i could to this kid in his first thread!!!!Just keep abuseing yourself,it'll catch up with ya sooner or later!



RADAR

 

[The Terminator]

You have gained 25 pounds!!! I can't believe you are unhappy with that...
And you say you have no strength increase (even though you are 25 lbs. heavier....that's not good at all... )

 

[sk*]

sorry for my rudeness but how the f#*k can you tell if test is real from a BP check? only way to tell BLOOD TEST (NOT BLOOD PRESSURE TEST)

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

-sk

 

[JimmyJonesJunior]

1 gram of test a week is nothing out of the ordinary. i seen some guys do 4grams/week on their first cycle.

mainly test/fina/dbol/winny.

dont blame him for trying to gain mass
at 165 it must be depressing his life, he did what he had to do to gain the mass.

just like a 300lb fat guy would starve hismelf to death to lose fat cuz hes unhappy

or a 130lb guy would abuse roids big time to gain mass

INSTEAD OF BASHING HIM , help him.

bunch of arrogant putz

 

[sk*]

i seen some guys do 4grams/week on their first cycle.

Really? Who?

-sk

 

[THEEGAME2544]

hey bro, i went to walmart and they had the blood pressure thing and it was 145/66. i know that indicates the test e is real, but it is hard for me to believe with all the other factors saying it is bunk.


19 years old, haven't gained a lb since i stopped the bol (1.5weeks).

haven't had any sex drive since i stopped the dbol.

haven't had a zit since i stooped the dbol.

haven't had any hair loss whole cycle at 1g (yes, i am predisposed and i go bald just fine without test, but the "test" hasn't made it any worse)

i dont look any bigger, i look like im getting smaller actually. i do recall a while back i worked all day and lost 10 lbs that day, i thought it was from working hard and it was water, but if i remember correctly it was around the time i stopped the dbol, i actually think i peaked at 195 for the dbol , and i have gone down 5 lbs since then.

0 strength increase.

Picture it like this.....the Dbol is used to gain weight quickly.....It makes your muscles like balloons full of water.......hence your 25 pounds. Now what the test is going to do is fill in the ballooned muscles with solid "real" muscle and expell the water as it goes.....similar to filling a concrete foundation to make it solid. So while you think you are not gaining any muscle, you are gaining the muscle and expelling the water.....hence your bodyweight will only increase another 5 pounds or so and your water retention will decrease. But you really could have gotten the same results of of 500mg of test rather than 1gram. Your body can only take so much weight at one time. I've averaged 30lbs every bulking cycle.....last cycle I put on 43 pounds. It was not do to increase in gear dosages, but a change in diet and training that yeilded those results.

 

[big pumper]

sorry for my rudeness but how the f#*k can you tell if test is real from a BP check? only way to tell BLOOD TEST (NOT BLOOD PRESSURE TEST)

umm, yeah bro, i took a blood pressure test thinking it would tell me what my t levels are?

if my bp is high, wouldn't that indicate the gear is real (assuming i have normal blood pressure)? thats what i was refering to. take the time to read the post right before mine where he asks if i have taken my blood pressure recently.

 

[big pumper]

Picture it like this.....the Dbol is used to gain weight quickly.....It makes your muscles like balloons full of water.......hence your 25 pounds. Now what the test is going to do is fill in the ballooned muscles with solid "real" muscle and expell the water as it goes.....similar to filling a concrete foundation to make it solid. So while you think you are not gaining any muscle, you are gaining the muscle and expelling the water.....hence your bodyweight will only increase another 5 pounds or so and your water retention will decrease. But you really could have gotten the same results of of 500mg of test rather than 1gram. Your body can only take so much weight at one time. I've averaged 30lbs every bulking cycle.....last cycle I put on 43 pounds. It was not do to increase in gear dosages, but a change in diet and training that yeilded those results.

hey bro, i agree with you on the dbol and loss of water, i referred tot that same thing in my first post. but what expains the lack of sex drive, no zits, no hair loss etc? that is what has me thinking its bunk more than anything, remember this is 1g of test like you said, a high dosage and you would think i would have gyno, zits etc, but it hasn't happened. also, the thread over on anabolic board i just read, 4 other people are calling bdl's gear bunk and say they have experienced the same lack of sex drive while on it i am, i don't think this is a fluke, if i were the only one reporting nothing off this gear it would be one thing.

i understand you guys thinking im a newbie and i don't know how to train and you probably think im eating 2000 cals a day but that just isn't the case, im eating BWx25 and i have no sides at all from a gram of test.

 

[sk*]

umm, yeah bro, i took a blood pressure test thinking it would tell me what my t levels are?

if my bp is high, wouldn't that indicate the gear is real (assuming i have normal blood pressure)? thats what i was refering to. take the time to read the post right before mine where he asks if i have taken my blood pressure recently.

Your weight went up in a short period of time. You still have the dbol bloat inside of you, so your bp could be up from the water retention. Test wouldn't necessarily have to contribute, and there are a lot of other factors that could have increased your bp. Not to mention you don't even know what your regular BP is.

-sk

 

[THEEGAME2544]

hey bro, i agree with you on the dbol and loss of water, i referred tot that same thing in my first post. but what expains the lack of sex drive, no zits, no hair loss etc? that is what has me thinking its bunk more than anything, remember this is 1g of test like you said, a high dosage and you would think i would have gyno, zits etc, but it hasn't happened. also, the thread over on anabolic board i just read, 4 other people are calling bdl's gear bunk and say they have experienced the same lack of sex drive while on it i am, i don't think this is a fluke, if i were the only one reporting nothing off this gear it would be one thing.

i understand you guys thinking im a newbie and i don't know how to train and you probably think im eating 2000 cals a day but that just isn't the case, im eating BWx25 and i have no sides at all from a gram of test.

Some people just don't experience sides like others do! My first cycle with test I had bad acne as a side as well as really sore quads from injecting. Since then I've used test with every cycle I've done and have not had acne ever again and never any soreness no matter what I use......even prop. Thus sides are just the way your body reacts to the gear, and in your case you may not experience any sides at all. Like I said I've used test with every cycle I've ever done. Some cycles I've been horny as hell, and others I have just been like normal. Just because your not experiencing sides does not mean your gear is bunk.....and it also does not mean that you should think about increasing the dose next cycle because of no sides. You really could have gotten the same results off 500mg/wk. The only way to tell if your gear is fully legit is to have your test levels checked with a blood test done by your doctor......not by the lack of sides.

 

[big pumper]

Your weight went up in a short period of time. You still have the dbol bloat inside of you, so your bp could be up from the water retention. Test wouldn't necessarily have to contribute, and there are a lot of other factors that could have increased your bp. Not to mention you don't even know what your regular BP is.

-sk

all true, which would indicate since the "test" insn't contributing that the gear is bunk.

so far the only thing that indicates it's not bunk is the fact that im not rapidly losing weight from the dbol cycle, maybe i somehow kept my gains from a 3.5 week dbol cycle? i am eating bwX25, and right after i stopped the dbol i started using nolva (because the bol was giving me puffy nips and it was getting pretty bad). maybe the nolva helped me keep some gains, and at 3.5 weeks i wasn' really shut down so i kept my gains from the dbol?

anyone think this is possible, so far the only thing indicating my enan could be real is the fact that i didn't rapidy lose weight after using dbol, i may have lost 5lbs max and it has only been 1.5 weeks.

 

[big pumper]

Some people just don't experience sides like others do! My first cycle with test I had bad acne as a side as well as really sore quads from injecting. Since then I've used test with every cycle I've done and have not had acne ever again and never any soreness no matter what I use......even prop. Thus sides are just the way your body reacts to the gear, and in your case you may not experience any sides at all. Like I said I've used test with every cycle I've ever done. Some cycles I've been horny as hell, and others I have just been like normal. Just because your not experiencing sides does not mean your gear is bunk.....and it also does not mean that you should think about increasing the dose next cycle because of no sides. You really could have gotten the same results off 500mg/wk. The only way to tell if your gear is fully legit is to have your test levels checked with a blood test done by your doctor......not by the lack of sides.

i know bro, but don't you think i have a legitimate concern that my gear is bunk considering all the evidence (lack of all sides, lack of gains, and my dick feels like its coming off cycle not on one)?

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Like I said at the end of my last message, The only way to tell if your gear is fully legit is to have your test levels checked with a blood test done by your doctor......not by the lack of sides. So stop guessing and go see your doctor!!!

 

[BrickGirl]

lol, he thinks his gear is bunk, geez, his gear being bunk should be the least of his worries IMO

 

[GUNZ-007]

Big pumper, I have read your last two threads and I thought that maybe this one would have died earlier. But you seem a little hard headed, so listen up. First off 25 lbs is a pretty good gain, but percentage wise it is huge, this is stressfull on your heart. Now remember that because it is you only one. If you do not want to get blood work done then you have 2 choices. A. If you think your gear is fake then stop taking it, pretty simple. B. If you think it could be real then drop to 500 mgs a week, also simple. Although you are probably too young to touching this stuff anyway, and I know you will not listen to that. Remember you have the rest of your life to get big, it does not need to happen overnight. good luck!!!

 

[DeepZenPill]

I hope for your sake that your gear is bunk. Don't expect any more gains, but rather pray you keep what you have. You could've gained 25lbs with the same dbol dose and 350mg of test a week combined with a proper diet/training.

There's nothing anyone here can do to help you. Help yourself. If you foolishly want to continue this cycle, you might as well at least decrease to 500mg. You won't lose anything by doing that. If you want to be mulish and continue to run a gram of test then you're really on your own.

I'm probably not much older than you, but I gained 50lbs naturally before deciding to juice. I probably shouldn't have started juicing at that point anyway. At least I didn't dive in head first with insane dosages. I don't EVER plan to use over a gram of test. And I know I don't need much more than a gram total of AAS a week to reach my goals.

Take it for what it's worth. Things may seem fine now but the recklessness will catch up with you one way or another.

 

[big pumper]

hey bro's, i am not dissapointed with gaining 25lbs in just 5 weeks (especially considering i don't even work legs, i know im going to get flamed to hell for that one ). i am not really complaining, i am simply stating the facts of why i think the test im using this cycle is bunk, and asking for others feedback. the only reason i mentioned my dosage was to make a point that its a gram of test im not gaining from, not 250mgs. its a gram of test im not getting sides from, and a gram of test i dont have sex drive on.

i have decided to quit my cycle, i dont really care if its bunk its not doing shit for me and in my personal opinion i think it is bunk (especially after reading others say its bunk over on AB after someone directed me toward there).

thanks for the advice and as far as the gram for the first cycle i plan on taking that amount when i get more gear to do a real cycle, i aprecciate everyones advice and i respect your opinions on how i should do my first cycle. as soon as i get this mess straightened out (a mess from using bunk gear, not from using high dosages) i will start another thread and i would like to hear different opinions on the benefits and drawbacks of using 1g for a first cycle.

thanks.

 

[sk*]

hey bro's, i am not dissapointed with gaining 25lbs in just 5 weeks (especially considering i don't even work legs, i know im going to get flamed to hell for that one ). i am not really complaining, i am simply stating the facts of why i think the test im using this cycle is bunk, and asking for others feedback. the only reason i mentioned my dosage was to make a point that its a gram of test im not gaining from, not 250mgs. its a gram of test im not getting sides from, and a gram of test i dont have sex drive on.

i have decided to quit my cycle, i dont really care if its bunk its not doing shit for me and in my personal opinion i think it is bunk (especially after reading others say its bunk over on AB after someone directed me toward there).

thanks for the advice and as far as the gram for the first cycle i plan on taking that amount when i get more gear to do a real cycle, i aprecciate everyones advice and i respect your opinions on how i should do my first cycle. as soon as i get this mess straightened out (a mess from using bunk gear, not from using high dosages) i will start another thread and i would like to hear different opinions on the benefits and drawbacks of using 1g for a first cycle.

thanks.

So lemme guess, bicep curls eod and bench press on the other days?

Here's some negative karma your way.

-sk

 

[BW090582]

Jesus Christ... listen to the EXPERIENCED people on here...this is fucking sad!

 

[bigerisbetter]

he isnt losing weight so it cant be bunk or else he would have lost the water weight from d-bol.

 

[big pumper]

but does the fact i didn't lose what i gained from the bol prove that is legit? i am also confused as to why i haven't lost much weight yet, maybe its waaaaaaaay underdosed?

sk, no, my routine looked like this.

EOD

db chest press 6 sets
bb rows 3 sets
chins 3 sets
shrugs 4 sets
crunches 4 sets
lat r 2 sets
oh press 2 sets
bb curls 4 sets
skulls 4 sets

i am using HST, with loads increasing mandatory every 3rd or 4th workout.

 

[DeepZenPill]

It's actually not uncommon for people to experience a loss of sex drive at 1g of test. Do a search on it. As for the lack of acne and hairloss, I don't know what to tell you.

If you're going to continue to run such ridiculous dosages, you might want to at least run some arimidex or femara with that so you don't grow breasts and keep the water off so you can be sure of what your gains are.

 

[big pumper]

It's actually not uncommon for people to experience a loss of sex drive at 1g of test. Do a search on it. As for the lack of acne and hairloss, I don't know what to tell you.

If you're going to continue to run such ridiculous dosages, you might want to at least run some arimidex or femara with that so you don't grow breasts and keep the water off so you can be sure of what your gains are.

hey bro, right now i feel shut down though and thats not common for me. about a year and a half a go i took that 1-test shit, and it was supposed to shut people down and i had not a problem during or post cycle (i took huge dosages also, i think for 8 full weeks). i know its a ph and not much of anything gets in your system, but others were reporting loss of sex drive and being shut down, and i had no problem. that would lead me to believe that i am not one who typically loses sex drive on aas, but its my first cycle so i don't know how i should react, thats what makes it so hard to tell if its bunk. maybe if it was real i wouldn't have any acne either, i did used to have acne when i was 15 but nothing major, i ocasionally get zits right now and my back broke out a litle on the dbol but nothing now.


i think its best juts to quit this shit and see what i can keep of my 25lbs. i have plenty of nolva and ldex on hand, but i chose to use nolva, i didn't mind the bloat and i hear estrogen is good for growth (igf-1, nutrients etc) so i would rather run nolva just to keep the gyno off and allow the estrogen to remain.

 

[Diesel31]

It could just be the wrong type of gear for your age.....you are so young that your test levels are already high....Try something like deca dbol....i dont think young people grow as well off test

 

[Juice Authority]

Some guy chimed in on another BDL thread claiming that BDL TESTO 500 was bunk. Then, after reading this, I realized he was referring to this thread. You gain 25LBS in 5 weeks and you start saying that the BDL test is bunk??? Wow! Possibly you're losing water weight from the D-bol.

I can't believe I emailed my source asking him if there was any validity to the rumors floating around about BDL products being bunk since I just ordered the BDL Testo 500. You really need to get a clue and based upon what I've read so far you appear to be clueless when it comes to AAS cyclying.

 

[papucho]

bump the dose up a few grams, you will be Ronnie Coleman in no time

Or Markus Ruehl ..

 

[babbabuee]

wow, even after all these experienced bros get on here and recommend lower dosages, you still plan on taking 1g? Genious, pure genious I tell you.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

but does the fact i didn't lose what i gained from the bol prove that is legit? i am also confused as to why i haven't lost much weight yet, maybe its waaaaaaaay underdosed?

sk, no, my routine looked like this.

EOD

db chest press 6 sets
bb rows 3 sets
chins 3 sets
shrugs 4 sets
crunches 4 sets
lat r 2 sets
oh press 2 sets
bb curls 4 sets
skulls 4 sets

i am using HST, with loads increasing mandatory every 3rd or 4th workout.

Jeez man!!!! Are you this hardheaded??? If you couldn't answer some of your own questions, that were quite common sense questions.....your way to young and inexperienced to be getting into this!!! Go back and re-read my earlier posts on page 3, then after your finished doing that, re-read them again, and again, and again.....etc.....till it sinks in!

 

[THEEGAME2544]

lol, he thinks his gear is bunk, geez, his gear being bunk should be the least of his worries IMO

LOL.....Exactly!!!!

 

[Lumberg]

i don't even work legs, i know im going to get flamed to hell for that one

I can't believe you don't squat and deadlift.

 

[big pumper]

how could the test have put on 25lbs over 3.5 weeks if it was enan? I was taking dbol at 35mg ed, i think thats what put on 25lbs, so the fact that i gained 25lbs doesn't prove shit about the bdl not being bunk. You act like i gained 25lbs from the bdl shit and im calling it bunk, the 25lbs was from dbol and alot of food. I guess the other people calling his enan bunk over on AB are lying? Did anyone actually go over there and read the thread where 3-4 people said they took BDL gear and it didn't do shit, i think 2 of them were saying it was the enan, one guy taking 1250mg a week. he then switched to his homebrew and immmediatley starting getting wood, read teh thread.

 

[babbabuee]

I'm done with you bro, good luck.

 

[GUNZ-007]

WTF, eveyone on here has told you not to run 1 gram, and you want to discuss this on another thread. What is there to discuss, If you run 1 gram of test for first cycle IT IS TOO MUCH!!!!! PERIOD!!!! you are not listening to what alot of exp. bros are telling you, if you do no not want to listen to the advice on the boards then why do you come here????

 

[big pumper]

whats the difference in running 1g vs 500mg? will it shut me down more? no, 500mg by istelf will shut me down completley and upping the dosage won't shut me down further (making the cycle longer maybe, but not more test).

yeah, people keep saying not to use a gram but no one has yet said why. sides? what sides, according to you all BDL gear is never bunk, therefore i am running 1g of test and i have 0 sides to report.


whats so dangerous then if i dont have a zit on my face after 6 weeks and i don't have gyno? afterall everone is so sure my gear is legit.

 

[BodybuildingUniverse]

no squats or deadlifts? man, you gotta hit the core exercises for a few years before you even think about a gram a week of juice. compounds, compounds, compounds...and when your supposed natural potential has been reached...think about AAS. my $.02

 

[sk*]

whats so dangerous then if i dont have a zit on my face after 6 weeks and i don't have gyno? afterall everone is so sure my gear is legit.

I have done some crazy stuff in my life, but to answer your question:

Lipid profile/cholesterol damage, prostate, kidneys, possibility of heart damage, possibility of not recovering.

Believe it or not there have been a bunch of studies that suggest above 600mg of test is when the problems start. I can ask my friend to dig up the studies as he was the one who pointed it to me. To add to that, DrJMW always suggests to start off low so you know your body's genetical limit to gear as it can only tolerate a certain amount.

I have in the past thought like you too, but there are simply too many factors here ...

-sk

 

[jb160]

I have been taking 500/mg of test enth a week and after 5 weeks I am up 20lbs and this is my third cycle sure I got all excited when the gains started to show and thought about upping the dosage to 750 but no need I am having great gains on what I am doing plus it costs more to do more. I also have only been taking test no dbol no anandrol and no frontload simple 2 shots a week to keep the T levels even. These guys are just trying to watch out for YOU bro fuck gyno what about when your liver fails or you lose a kidney shit you will be wishing all you had was gyno if that shit happens. Just my 2 cents bro