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i have research steroids for a couple months now and have read alot about PCT (post cycle treatment) because i really wanna max my gains with the least amount of side effects. i was thinking of using winstrol cuz im looking for a lean cut look and was wanting to as much info on if i should stack other things ontop of the winstol, if so what? i have read through a bunch of articals that its a waste to just use winstrol with nothing else. also i was wanting as much info on what would be a good PCT for a cycle of winstrol. any info would help thanks

just incase your wondering my workout routine is 5 days a week 2 hours a day mon-fri
 
There is research on the internet and there is research in forums like this. The latter is much better. There is actual use info that is missing in those steroid write ups. The most common that is missing is that winny has some hidden nasty side effects and is not that great at what it does. In fact, it's considered a failed AAS for what it was designed for. However, it does work, and many people like it especially run with deca and test. It has some nice augmentive properties. But alone, it's not that great.

Answer EZ man's questions.
 
There is research on the internet and there is research in forums like this. The latter is much better. There is actual use info that is missing in those steroid write ups. The most common that is missing is that winny has some hidden nasty side effects and is not that great at what it does. In fact, it's considered a failed AAS for what it was designed for. However, it does work, and many people like it especially run with deca and test. It has some nice augmentive properties. But alone, it's not that great.

Answer EZ man's questions.


Bullshit ! My friend love winstrol , he is 5,7 192 lbs, 6-7%Bf and bench 500 raw with belt and wrist straps!
He used winstrol+test now 3-4 years .
Do not talk shit ! :)
 
Bullshit ! My friend love winstrol , he is 5,7 192 lbs, 6-7%Bf and bench 500 raw with belt and wrist straps!
He used winstrol+test now 3-4 years .
Do not talk shit ! :)
Everything I said is completely true. Did you notice "However, it does work, and many people like it especially run with deca and test. It has some nice augmentive properties. But alone, it's not that great"
 
Bullshit ! My friend love winstrol , he is 5,7 192 lbs, 6-7%Bf and bench 500 raw with belt and wrist straps!
He used winstrol+test now 3-4 years .
Do not talk shit ! :)

A) lose the attitude

B) read the man's whole post before you make your ignorant comment

~EZ
 
i have actually trained for 3 years but took a break.. there for a while it was all about my job and i lost sight of what i loved and that was the gym. but now i have been back in the gym for a couple months and my muscle memory took off great there would be weeks were i would gain 30 40 pounds just from my muscle memory. im only 22 years old i know thats a bit young but im in no rush to take winstrol or anything like that its just somthing that has caught my interest and when i think i have obtained enough info ill start a cycle. it seems like i caant get enough info about steroids it i can spend hours researching i have researched how estrogen and other side effects start in the body and what are the common effect and side effects of each type of steroid, i have also researched stacking steroids and what supplements i should take to help prevent some of the major side effects of steroids .sometimes when i read on steriods i feel like a mad scientist becuase there really is alot more then what most people let you belive just learning how certain chemicals and things act in your body. im just shy under 6 foot 2 and last time i check i was 280 im far from all fat. but i do got some unwanted chub. thats why i mentioned winstrol in my post, me weighing that much has alot to do with me taking that the break for my job. and yes i have read 1000 post on my first cycle but im one of those types of people where i dont belive everything i read its hard finding a reliable source that actully knows there stuff.... the supplements im taking right now is nothing major im taking protien shakes, creatine, vitamins, fish oil caps. my diet consist of high protien meals i try to eat 5 to 6 small meals a day to keep my metabolism raised throughout the day and so far its working im down to belt loops, i only eat lean meats no hamburger, no soda i really try to eat nothing that has wasted calories my most favorite quick meals are tuna, salmon, sardines, usally for dinner ill actually cook a bigger dinner some type of bonless skinless chicken breast with broccoli. as for my traning i try to mix it up ever 4 to 6 weeks so my body doesnt plateau some weeks ill go heavy some weeks ill go light with high reps but if you wanted a quck rundown i normally do monday chest tuesday back wedesday legs thursday shoulders friday arms and then after every workout i try to do intervals of cardio ill do some running drills or biking drills mixed with boxing workouts i boxed for 3 years also, if there is any more info you need just ask thanks for the suggestion EZ ill read up on them
 
EZ i read both things you send me they have good info on steroids 101 it made me realize that i need to think of my over intake instead of just meal by meal i watch what i eat to a T but i only do it meal by meal i dont look at the overall end of the day . and for the best PCT artical i knew most of what he was saying i have read a ton on another sites about PCT i would tell you the site but idk how elitefitness feels about me naming other sites i know some sites dont like name drops. but it was a good refresh and i would read it again if it came across my eyes in my opinon i cant learn to much about this subject or anything with steriods for that matter, thank you all for the the comments keep them comming
 
i have actually trained for 3 years but took a break.. there for a while it was all about my job and i lost sight of what i loved and that was the gym. but now i have been back in the gym for a couple months and my muscle memory took off great there would be weeks were i would gain 30 40 pounds just from my muscle memory. im only 22 years old i know thats a bit young but im in no rush to take winstrol or anything like that its just somthing that has caught my interest and when i think i have obtained enough info ill start a cycle. it seems like i caant get enough info about steroids it i can spend hours researching i have researched how estrogen and other side effects start in the body and what are the common effect and side effects of each type of steroid, i have also researched stacking steroids and what supplements i should take to help prevent some of the major side effects of steroids .sometimes when i read on steriods i feel like a mad scientist becuase there really is alot more then what most people let you belive just learning how certain chemicals and things act in your body. im just shy under 6 foot 2 and last time i check i was 280 im far from all fat. but i do got some unwanted chub. thats why i mentioned winstrol in my post, me weighing that much has alot to do with me taking that the break for my job. and yes i have read 1000 post on my first cycle but im one of those types of people where i dont belive everything i read its hard finding a reliable source that actully knows there stuff.... the supplements im taking right now is nothing major im taking protien shakes, creatine, vitamins, fish oil caps. my diet consist of high protien meals i try to eat 5 to 6 small meals a day to keep my metabolism raised throughout the day and so far its working im down to belt loops, i only eat lean meats no hamburger, no soda i really try to eat nothing that has wasted calories my most favorite quick meals are tuna, salmon, sardines, usally for dinner ill actually cook a bigger dinner some type of bonless skinless chicken breast with broccoli. as for my traning i try to mix it up ever 4 to 6 weeks so my body doesnt plateau some weeks ill go heavy some weeks ill go light with high reps but if you wanted a quck rundown i normally do monday chest tuesday back wedesday legs thursday shoulders friday arms and then after every workout i try to do intervals of cardio ill do some running drills or biking drills mixed with boxing workouts i boxed for 3 years also, if there is any more info you need just ask thanks for the suggestion EZ ill read up on them

OK, good info here...and I'm gonna be blunt:

1. You (or anyone) needs to train naturally and max out your potential before thinking about using any AAS. I don't know how long you were off from training but based on your stats I don't think you were training or dieting properly in the 1st place so we're starting from square 1 here. A year minimum of training and dieting AND SUPPLEMENTING right...

2. It's impossible to gain 30-40 pounds in a week...

3. GREAT that you're learning, there's a lot to learn so keep @ it. And yes, there is a lot of misinformation out there so be careful what you read. The good news is that you're in the best place here to learn...

4. If you're 6'2 and 280 LBS, you're diet and training are in need of a major overhaul....

5. Why are you taking those supps? No saying they're bad, just wanna know why you picked those particular ones...

6. Sardines are LOADED with salt/shakes are loaded with sugar, salt and sugar are THE ENEMY...also, where are your carbs and are you drinking water? Are you drinking alcoholic beverages? Are you putting sugar in your coffee? Etc.....

7. Changing the w/o routine is great, in addition, change your sequence, too...

Can you give a SPECIFIC breakdown of a typical day's eating? And I mean time, ounces of each food, how it's prepared, etc?

~EZ
 
thanks for being honest EZ sounds like your really know your stuff... im 280 now back before i stopped i was about 40 pounds lighter i have always been heavier but i never looked my weightt most people would guess 40 to 60 pounds under my weight. and my break i took from liftting was about 2 years and belive it or not but from the time i started back up which was about 2 and a half months ago i average about 10 to 15 hours a week in the gym and the first couple weeks i started there would be days were i come in and do 30 more pounds in a lift that i did the week before i always figure it was my muscle memory comming back i dont gain that much a week anymore it was just like the the first couple weeks. and yes i drink tons of water i very rarely drink anything else i very seldom drink coffee and when i do i dont add sugar.as for the supps i choice those because i have always heard protien is like the foundation for a guy wanting to build muscle, do you have a better way to get protien with less sugar if so please let me know and creatine i have always had great strength grains from and i figured with me working out 10 to 15 hours a week at the gym i would need more vitamins just from the extra work, ontop of the gym i work construction part time. the supplements i told you i take are all things i used when i first started and got good safe results from, if you have any suggestions as far as supplements im all ears, it seems like 90 percent of supps anymore are fake. but im sure my diet could need some reconstruction i try to eat as healthy as possible but there is so many hidden things that are bad for you. if you have any suggestions with diet or maybe a diet outline i would be more then willing to give it a try....as for my workouts i know my workouts are intense and i get really good strength gains i actually have a couple workout buddys that go with me and one of them is on roids but he doesnt like to talk about it, whats funny is i have no prob keeping up with him in the gym granted his max's are a little higher then mine and he looks alot better in shape but as far as reps and pushing areselfs we stay neck and neck, but i do agree i need to stay with it longer before i take anything as far as sterioids, i would like to get back into the shape how i was about 220 240, with alot of muscle on me i never wanna be one of those guys that are 170 pounds i have always liked being a little bigger just not 280 it seems like even though im only 22 it is still harder to lose weight then what it was when i was 17,18,,,if you have any suggestions on dieting, supps or workout routines please fill me in thanks for your info
 
OK, more good stuff…

At 22 you should be able to drop some of the excess weight pretty quickly, I see what you mean now about the 30 pounds…There will always be some days when you’re a little stronger…

Protein IS indeed the foundation, but you wanna get your protein from real food unless a shake is the ONLY option. A shake post w/o is ideal and maybe 1 other time in a day only when real food isn’t available…

10-15 hours a week over how many days? More isn’t always better, you may be over training. A suggestion on training I would make would be to start a higher rep/super-setting workout…

This is gonna sound weird but you might not be eating enough (depending on your portion size) if you’re not eating enough your going to put yourself in a catabolic state (where your body is holding onto every calorie as fat to survive)

As far as you friend on the juice, based on what you said that further proves the point that most people on juice have no business being on, he wasn’t ready to go on but did anyway…

Try making those adjustments to diet and training and see if it helps

~EZ
 
my 10 to 15 hours is in a 5 days period monday through friday and i take saturday and sunday and i gotta admit i do change up my workouts and i do super sets just the other day i did a bunch of super sets to help my delts, but i gotta admit im a big fan of going heavy i love when people look at me at the gym and see 3 or 400 pounds go up and they look in amazment lol but your right i need to do a bunch of super sets and i have also been told to do somthing my buddy called HIIT (high intensity interval training) he said thats like getting a cardio in your workout,

EZ what do you personally think is some of the best cardio to do,
 
I don't like cardio. I'm not trying to get in shape. I like a clean, high-carb, low-glycemic diet and CrossFit/HIIT/Tabata.
 
I don't like cardio. I'm not trying to get in shape. I like a clean, high-carb, low-glycemic diet and CrossFit/HIIT/Tabata.

i dont like cardio either not even 1/10th as much as i like lifting but its somthing i feel i need to do cuz i need to drop some weight and get more cut... you got any suggestion on somthing that you think will work better? please let me know in details
 
my 10 to 15 hours is in a 5 days period monday through friday and i take saturday and sunday and i gotta admit i do change up my workouts and i do super sets just the other day i did a bunch of super sets to help my delts, but i gotta admit im a big fan of going heavy i love when people look at me at the gym and see 3 or 400 pounds go up and they look in amazment lol but your right i need to do a bunch of super sets and i have also been told to do somthing my buddy called HIIT (high intensity interval training) he said thats like getting a cardio in your workout,

EZ what do you personally think is some of the best cardio to do,

M-F is gonna cause your body to adapt VERY quickly, you wanna train 2-3 days on, day off, 2-3 days on day off overall 7 days in a week...

And NEVER train based on what other people think...

~EZ
 
im not neccessarily training on what my buddy thinks... he said i should try it so i tried it i like to try a bunch of new workouts to see what i like the best what i get the best results from and it really keeps my buddy guessing. and as for the 2-3 days on then a day off i have seen guys at my gym do that but i always get better results with strength then them, the trick to my workout is im never doing the same thing more then a couple weeks in a row i cycle my work outs i always hit all the body parts in one week and i find new ways to hit those body parts every week so my body doesnt plateau.. and on top of that if i miss workouts i feel like crap physically like i feel slugish thats why i do mon-fri im really good on weight lifting i trained guys back when i was in high school on the football team for strength. but i have never gotten as cut as i wanted and it probable has to do with a mix of diet and cardio even when im eating right i dont get the cuts i want so thats really what i need the most help in
 
i dont like cardio either not even 1/10th as much as i like lifting but its somthing i feel i need to do cuz i need to drop some weight and get more cut... you got any suggestion on somthing that you think will work better? please let me know in details
It's in my post. Heavy weight interval training has been PROVEN to be more effective at overall metabolic supercharging and losing weight, AND not catabolic like steady-state cardio - results in natural release of anabolic hormones. Just try 10 minutes of free-weight tabata and you will KNOW what I am talking about. Losing weight is 90% diet, 10% keeping your metabolism going strong.
 
i agree with what ez is saying. gotta keep that body guessing or your workouts arent going to be effective. if what you are doing is working right now, i say keep doing it until you plateau then change it up. once that happens a few times you will have a feel of how your body is reacting to your workouts. personally, i find that doing a chest/tri, back/bi, legs,shoulder,full body circuit works best for me. but that is just me it may not work as well for you (we are built totally different, im 5'10'' 165) but i say you should give that routine a try. i know a thing or two about working out so PM me if you need any more info. good luck
 
thanks everyone for the good info...... RADAR i read every bit of the build muscle lost fat artical its good stuff i actually eat some of those foods but there was a bunch i dont eat that im going to start buying if you got any other post or threads you think i should read please let me know!! i read through some already
 
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