Help Me Out Bros

[23CALIBRO]

Cycle: Testprop 50mg Ed
Tren Ace 37.5mg Ed

2wks Into Cycle Never Ran A Cutter Before, But I Know When Test Is Involved Some Bloat Will Happen, But It Seems That Everyday I'm Gaining A Few More Oz. Is This Normal? I Mean Cutter Cycle Shouldn't I Be Losing Some Pounds? My Diet Is Clean, For Example Meal For Today

Meal1-bowl Of Fiber 1 Cereal- I Need The Fiber Keeps Me Normal
Meal2-pro-shake
Meal3-chicken Breast, Sweet Potato
Meal4-apple Handful Of Almonds
Meal5-chicken Breast Sweet Potato (left Overs!!)
Meal6-chicken Breast

Water Intake 1gal Maybe A Little More.

 

[23CALIBRO]

Anyone!

 

[eddymerckx]

you cannot judge a cutter by weight only by the way you look and bf%

 

[get456]

whew no one responded in 7 minutes.. what a bunch of assholes LMAO

 

[enacer420nj]

well how are you looking are you getting leaner and gaining oz's? you should be worrying about pounds not oz's your always gonna fluctuate if you put salt on shit or what not...diet aint that hot IMO you need more protein for sure, post up in the diet forum

 

[23CALIBRO]

you cannot judge a cutter by weight only by the way you look and bf%

SO JUST KEEP EATING CLEAN
HIT CARDIO HARD
LIFT LIKE A MAD MAN AND I SHOULD SEE THE RESULTS I'M LOOKING FOR

 

[23CALIBRO]

well how are you looking are you getting leaner and gaining oz's? you should be worrying about pounds not oz's your always gonna fluctuate if you put salt on shit or what not...diet aint that hot IMO you need more protein for sure, post up in the diet forum

NAH IWOULDN'T WORRY IF IT FLUCUATED, ITS STEADILY ON THE RISE
BUT ITS ONLY BEEN 2 WKS I'M THINKING ITS JUST THE TEST RETAINING SOME WATER

 

[herdus33]

Yeah i would have to agree with water retention. And like enacer said, watch the salt intake. Are you, or do you, plan to use any AI's even at a low dose might stop the retention.

 

[eddymerckx]

SO JUST KEEP EATING CLEAN
HIT CARDIO HARD
LIFT LIKE A MAD MAN AND I SHOULD SEE THE RESULTS I'M LOOKING FOR

yep. that will do it. and change-up your workout a bit every so often just to balance out overall.

 

[joejacks]

if you want to cut, the tren will help. Im w enacer420nj, you need more protein. If are watching your weight down to oz's, then maybe drop the cycle and focus on cardio and diet. Otherwise you'll start to see weight gain from the prop and tren. Good luck on keeping up the cardio on tren, its a cardio killer for sure. and stop posting in all caps

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think using gear to cut is a waste of gear so I'm biased.

 

[eddymerckx]

I think using gear to cut is a waste of gear so I'm biased.

i agree-in some cicumstances--i think the problem is that "cutting" is used a bit too generically for too many really different or general goals. we should probably probe a bit more to find out exactly what the bro is trying to do.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i agree-in some cicumstances--i think the problem is that "cutting" is used a bit too generically for too many really different or general goals. we should probably probe a bit more to find out exactly what the bro is trying to do.

The whole concept was started by competitors who wanted to maintain as much muscle as possible while drastically dieting. It didn;t do much but at that level it doesn't matter -- you do whatever it takes, even if it helps preserve an ounce of muscle. Then the moron gurus in the 90's jumped all over when people were freaking out over catabolism and overtraining. Bottom line: steroids are growth drugs. Even "cutters" like Primo require an enormous amount of calories and you have people cutting calories. It's all an illusion. Certain steroids bloat and some don't. It has nothing to do with cutting fat.

Can you cut with steroids? Sure. Will you look good for a few weeks? Yeah. But you lose gains after a cycle and since you don't "gain" much, in the end, you can get almost the same results without them. Except you'll have a suppressed HPTA. But using gear with increased calories can put on a lot of muscle. That's the way they're supposed to be used. But anybody can do whatever they want. I realize this is just a recreational hobby to a lot of people.

Cutting with steroids is like trying to start a fire while smothering it at the same time.

 

[eddymerckx]

The whole concept was started by competitors who wanted to maintain as much muscle as possible while drastically dieting. It didn;t do much but at that level it doesn't matter -- you do whatever it takes, even if it helps preserve an ounce of muscle. Then the moron gurus in the 90's jumped all over when people were freaking out over catabolism and overtraining. Bottom line: steroids are growth drugs. Even "cutters" like Primo require an enormous amount of calories and you have people cutting calories. It's all an illusion. Certain steroids bloat and some don't. It has nothing to do with cutting fat.

Can you cut with steroids? Sure. Will you look good for a few weeks? Yeah. But you lose gains after a cycle and since you don't "gain" much, in the end, you can get almost the same results without them. Except you'll have a suppressed HPTA. But using gear with increased calories can put on a lot of muscle. That's the way they're supposed to be used. But anybody can do whatever they want. I realize this is just a recreational hobby to a lot of people.

Cutting with steroids is like trying to start a fire while smothering it at the same time.

very gpood points and i knew there had to be something behind the usee of kr nissuece

 

[nzrodney]

The whole concept was started by competitors who wanted to maintain as much muscle as possible while drastically dieting. It didn;t do much but at that level it doesn't matter -- you do whatever it takes, even if it helps preserve an ounce of muscle. Then the moron gurus in the 90's jumped all over when people were freaking out over catabolism and overtraining. Bottom line: steroids are growth drugs. Even "cutters" like Primo require an enormous amount of calories and you have people cutting calories. It's all an illusion. Certain steroids bloat and some don't. It has nothing to do with cutting fat.

Can you cut with steroids? Sure. Will you look good for a few weeks? Yeah. But you lose gains after a cycle and since you don't "gain" much, in the end, you can get almost the same results without them. Except you'll have a suppressed HPTA. But using gear with increased calories can put on a lot of muscle. That's the way they're supposed to be used. But anybody can do whatever they want. I realize this is just a recreational hobby to a lot of people.

Cutting with steroids is like trying to start a fire while smothering it at the same time.

Yes Nelson I will agree on your comments on this one. After all you are either a BodyBUILDER or you should not be wasting your money on gear. What most people fail to realise, is that the more muscle mass you can stack on your body, the more the fat burning process cranks up. The concept of bulking & cutting is counter productive to building a bigger more muscular body IMO. I never really go into a "cutting" cycle using AAS unless pre comp & I use chems like Tren, winny, clen etc as part of my mass building program. Admittedly I am not always on my top weight but there are many variables that can effect this anyway. Injuries are one that suck!

 

[GUARDIAN]

I think using gear to cut is a waste of gear so I'm biased.

i agree as well up to a point. i think a small dose of test or an oral used to preserve some muscle mass is acceptable, to me anyways.

 

[theblondebomber]

The whole concept was started by competitors who wanted to maintain as much muscle as possible while drastically dieting. It didn;t do much but at that level it doesn't matter -- you do whatever it takes, even if it helps preserve an ounce of muscle. Then the moron gurus in the 90's jumped all over when people were freaking out over catabolism and overtraining. Bottom line: steroids are growth drugs. Even "cutters" like Primo require an enormous amount of calories and you have people cutting calories. It's all an illusion. Certain steroids bloat and some don't. It has nothing to do with cutting fat.

Can you cut with steroids? Sure. Will you look good for a few weeks? Yeah. But you lose gains after a cycle and since you don't "gain" much, in the end, you can get almost the same results without them. Except you'll have a suppressed HPTA. But using gear with increased calories can put on a lot of muscle. That's the way they're supposed to be used. But anybody can do whatever they want. I realize this is just a recreational hobby to a lot of people.

Cutting with steroids is like trying to start a fire while smothering it at the same time.

So what would be the "goal" or end result of your arguement?getting leaner makes you look better and bigger out of clothes.if you keep eating and getting fatter,which you will gain bodyfat.where do you stop?just keep getting bigger?( THIS IS NOT A SLAP AT YOU) i respect your opinion.from my experience,and i have alot,people who use your argument just plain dont want to diet and so they just say their bulking up all the time.bottom line is why do you use AAS anyway?just to get bigger and stronger?does noone want to look GOOD also.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So what would be the "goal" or end result of your arguement?

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EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.


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getting leaner makes you look better and bigger out of clothes.

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I AGREE. WHAT'S THAT HAVE TO DO WITH USING GEAR FOR CUTTING?

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if you keep eating and getting fatter,which you will gain bodyfat.where do you stop?just keep getting bigger?( THIS IS NOT A SLAP AT YOU)


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I NEVER SUGGESTED THAT.


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i respect your opinion.from my experience,and i have alot,people who use your argument just plain dont want to diet and so they just say their bulking up all the time.

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IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT.



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Bottom line is why do you use AAS anyway?just to get bigger and stronger?does noone want to look GOOD also.


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I STILL DON'T GET WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU SEEM TO THINK I'M SOMEHOW ANTI CUTTING. NO. BUT THE OPTIMUM USE OF STEROIDS IS TO GAIN SIZE. SIZE ISN'T EVERYTHING BUT IT'S THE ONE THING THAT CAN NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT STEROIDS AT A CERTAIN POINT. YOU CAN CUT WITHOUT STEROIDS AND USING THEM TO CUT PROVIDES SUCH A TINY ADVANTAGE IT ISN'T WORTH THE TIME, EFFORT, MONEY OR HEALTH RISKS IMO.


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[njmuscleguy]

My understanding is that you can still gain muscle on other type diets that aren't caloric-surplus... that's the beauty of a compound like tren... of course, you will gain more muscle with excess calories.

For the original poster, also keep in mind that muscle weighs more than fat...so if you're gaining some muscle while losing some fat...that could explain your slow increase in weight.

 

[perryscoon]

The whole concept was started by competitors who wanted to maintain as much muscle as possible while drastically dieting. It didn;t do much but at that level it doesn't matter -- you do whatever it takes, even if it helps preserve an ounce of muscle. Then the moron gurus in the 90's jumped all over when people were freaking out over catabolism and overtraining. Bottom line: steroids are growth drugs. Even "cutters" like Primo require an enormous amount of calories and you have people cutting calories. It's all an illusion. Certain steroids bloat and some don't. It has nothing to do with cutting fat.

Can you cut with steroids? Sure. Will you look good for a few weeks? Yeah. But you lose gains after a cycle and since you don't "gain" much, in the end, you can get almost the same results without them. Except you'll have a suppressed HPTA. But using gear with increased calories can put on a lot of muscle. That's the way they're supposed to be used. But anybody can do whatever they want. I realize this is just a recreational hobby to a lot of people.

Cutting with steroids is like trying to start a fire while smothering it at the same time.

This is right on.

 

[njmuscleguy]

This is right on.

DUDE, clear your PM box! Been trying to msg you for days!

 

[theblondebomber]

very gpood points and i knew there had to be something behind the usee of kr nissuece

Im going to have to disagree with you still.even though you stil try to prove your point.your last point gives me the idea youve never competed or dieted for any reason.in my opinion dieting and steroids were made for each other.ive dieted down for 39 shows and right now after only 5 weeks dieting i look better than anyone in the gym especially the fat,bloated guys who only take roids to "bulk"up.