Help.. Low Test levels.. Need advice!!!

[muscleup]

great answer and I agree 100%

Alot of Docs conclude HRT is the only option when test levels come back low. In my opinion this isn't the case, my guess is that you're shutdown following pro-longed prohormone & AAS use. I think that it may be better to focus efforts on getting your natty test back to where it should be via HCG / Nolva / Clomid / Adex etc.

Did you include full PCT (post cycle therapy) in your previous cycles?

Ultimately the choice is yours but HRT for life at 28 is a big decision.

Additionally - have a browse through some of the posts on the PCT board in particular Jenetics experience of recovery following a long period of being shut down.

 

[deltoromd]

Like i said previously, junk, I did do a 3 week PCT after both cycles but never after a prohormone cycle. Maybe the 3 weeks wasn't enough. However, i will be going to see a specialist Mar. 2nd to discuss all options. I appreciate all the input from everyone.

From what i understand the Dr. I am going to see in an ex-decathalte and believes in HRT for adults that experience low test levels. He believes it is the secret to a long, happy, healthly life for those with prolonged low test levels. I know of one other guy that has seen him and says that he is one of the only dr's that keeps up with all the prohormones out there and "non" prohormone vitamins out there. I use the word "vitamins" very loosly here, but you get the picture. He is suppoesed to be very knowledgeable iin this area. I was advised he wont judge but will make sure my hormone levels get to where the need to be. I was also told if I advise the Dr. that I will do "vitamins" regardless to get where I need to be he wont stop you but will monitor your progress and health. Maybe that a good thing, but i wont push it. I'll see how the initial visit goes.

 

[DIVISION]

From what i understand the Dr. I am going to see in an ex-decathalte and believes in HRT for adults that experience low test levels.

HRT is better than nothing I suppose.....at least you have a legal script to back you up in case you get searched. Since he is a former athlete, he might be inclined to raise your test levels to the high range which means at least 200MG Cypionate EW instead of the typical HRT dose of 200MG EOW....



DIV

 

[deltoromd]

Called to get resultes today... All they would say is it is low again on the second test and will need to come in to speak with the Dr. to discuss options. Could not give me the #'s to my results... I go in tomorrow... I wonder how low my second test is? Bastards!!!!!

 

[YankeesMan]

Keep us posted, and good luck!

 

[deltoromd]

Called Dr. to get the nG level.. it was 257.2 this time. A little higher than last week but still low. Will see what he has to say tomorrow.

 

[DIVISION]

Called Dr. to get the nG level.. it was 257.2 this time. A little higher than last week but still low. Will see what he has to say tomorrow.

Sounds to me like your doc is a lazy fuckface......I suggest changing docs and getting an endocrinologist as your primary care provider, cuts through alot of shit....Get a doc who works for you.......and will give you the care you deserve..........nugga.




DIV

 

[awittyusername]

Good advice here. I'm on HRT because I fucked up my pituitary from multiple head injuries. I still made sure I wasn't recoverable before starting HRT. I believe they can tell by checking FSH and LH. Go to sbi and read Swales "Recipe for Success", bring it to your doc.

At your age, I'd do my best to get my endoctrine system straightened out before any more cycles.

Good luck...

good advice

I sent you a link for swales Recipe for Success

He is my dr. (He is not taking anymore patients now) I had the same exact symptoms as you. After labs Swale started me at 100mgs cyp/wk. Then, tested again. Slowly raising my dosage until I felt better. (1200 in a range up to 1200)

My dosage is 240mg cyp/wk 250iu hcg twice/wk I feel great!!! I have the knowledge and skill of a 33yr old, but the test level and sex drive of an 18yr old.

My I-gf was low, so I'm also on 2 iu HGH ed......forever

PM me w/any questions

 

[deltoromd]

Well here are my results:
Androstenedione = 87 Ref range 57-265 ng/dl
Estrone = 66 Ref range 12-72 pg/ml
Estradiol = 26 Ref range 20-77 pg/ml
IgE = 63.8 Ref range <87.0 IU/mL
Test Total = 237 Ref range 241-827 ng/dl
Test Free = 9.69 Ref range 5.0 - 21.0 ng/dl
Test Free % = 4.09% Ref range 1.0 - 2.70%
Hgb A1C Glyco = 4.9 Ref range 4.0 - 6.0 %
T4 Free = 1.10 Ref range .70 - 1.48 ng/dl
TSH = .67 Ref range .35 - 4.94 uIU/ml
Free T3 = 3.61 Ref range 1.71 - 3.71 pg/ml
Anti-TPO = <10 Ref range <35 IU/ml
Thyrogolob Ab = <20 ref range <40 IU/ml
Thy Stim Immugb = 95 ref range <130 %
CRP = <.5 ref range 0.0 - 0.8 mg/dl
IgA = 191 Ref range 50 - 400 mg/dl
IgG = 1324 ref range 600 - 1500 mg/dl
IgM = 82 ref range 22 - 240 mg/dl
Cholestrol = 227 ref range 112-200 mg/dl
Triglyc = 106 ref range 0-200 mg/dl
chol/HDL ratio = 4.5 ref range 0 - 5.0 ratio
HDL = 50 ref range >35 mg/dl
LDL = 156 ref range 0 - 130 mg/dl
LH = 1.3 ref range 2.0 - 12.0 MIU/ML
FSH = 1.1 ref range 1.0 - 8.0 MIU/ML
Prolactin = 4.5 ref range 1.6 - 18.8 ng/ml

Tell me what you guys think.....

 

[sigmund]

Estradiol = 26 Ref range 20-77 pg/ml
Test Total = 237 Ref range 241-827 ng/dl
Test Free = 9.69 Ref range 5.0 - 21.0 ng/dl
Test Free % = 4.09% Ref range 1.0 - 2.70%
LH = 1.3 ref range 2.0 - 12.0 MIU/ML
FSH = 1.1 ref range 1.0 - 8.0 MIU/ML

Tell me what you guys think.....

Looking at LH, FSH and Test total in particular I'd say HRT should be last resort - but the choice is yours bro.

Testosterone production is stimulated by Leydig cells in the testicles. Low levels of testosterone combined with low FSH and LH are diagnostic of hypogonadotropic (secondary) hypogonadism, inidicative of supression due to AAS / Prohormone use. If you can stimulate LH / FSH back to normal (pre exogenous testosterone) levels and keep Estradiol (E2) in range you should be able to recover.