Help! Help! The more I read the more confusing things get....

[ohsures1]

OK....first off I would like to say that this site is great!! all who post and respond help make this a very informative unique site....however after a couple months of reading posts and reading elsewhere on the net I am still feeling pretty lost in making a well informed clear decision about possibly adding some 'help' to my exercise program.......here are the basics - I am 5'10 - 202 lbs - 29 years old.....I lift 3 times a week at a high intensity for about 1 hour and 15 minutes and run 4 mornings a week for about 45 minutes....I have been following this program (while mixing in varying types of runs (intervals, sprints, etc) and mixing things up in the weight room as well) for about 10 months....my initial goal is still my current goal; to lose fat.....unfortunately I am not doing this very well....my diet is very good, as I follow the 'Body For Life' diet plan for the most part.....This may sound odd but I truly think I really screwed up my metabolism from 15- 22 years old as I was a competitive cross country skier....during this time I was training about 400-600 hours a year - mostly cardio...my body fat was 3.5-5-5 percent throughout....I think that my metabolism became accustom to 2+ hours of cardio a day....in the past 7 years I have slowly put on weight which is normal....however from 27-29 I suffered the male curse of gaining a nice midsection!!! Now, I am trying to get my body fat down but and having one hell of time...I took clenbuteral for a 12 week period of 14 days on - 14 days off at about 60-120 mg per day.....I really did not get much results at all as my body fat went down from 19 percent to 18 prevent however there could have been some measuring error on either side... Now, the question that I have been trying to get a grasp on....I am attempting to get my body fat down to about 9 percent or lose about 20 pounds of fat.....I have gathered that winstrol is my best option.....Also, I plan on taking something for at most 2 months....I really don’t want to go any longer than this as my health is most important to me....So…..if anybody out there can answer the following 3 questions while considering what I have written above, I would be very grateful....
1. what would you recommend I take if I am considering a steroid? dosage? form? etc. ( I am not too concerned with gaining size....mostly losing fat)
2. where do you recommend I buy the steroid? a reputable source?
3. are there good products out there to take in addition to the steroids to minimize health risks? I have read some about supplements that are particularly good for the liver and kidneys to take before, during, and after a cycle

Thank You Very Much!
JW

 

[RADAR]

Well if you are concernred the most in loosing fat, then turn to your diet, Thats 90% of your success rate right there.
Eat 6 servings thru-out the day, throw some protein shakes in there.Do not eat after your last meal.
Check out the diet board for good wholesome foods to eat.

RADAR

 

[Nucman]

Agreed, it's all about diet...calorie deficit. Sounds like you're doing your share of cardio, now just get the diet(a cutting diet), in order, add any supplement in sensible dosages to avoid catabolizing your hard earned muscle, and you'll achieve your goal.

Winny,.. I don't like to run alone. It can have a really fucked up effect on your joints. It may or may not happen to you, but I don't take the chance. I would not run it alone.

 

[TheRide]

Will re: in a bit but I'll bump this for you bro!

 

[R33t]

My responses are in bold.

1. what would you recommend I take if I am considering a steroid? dosage? form? etc. ( I am not too concerned with gaining size....mostly losing fat)

Since your main concern is fat loss, your diet comes first. Visit the diet board, post your current diet and ask Mr. X or someone to critique it for you. I don't think gear is your answer.

2. where do you recommend I buy the steroid? a reputable source?

Read some of the stickies. Asking about sources here can destroy your reputation.

3. are there good products out there to take in addition to the steroids to minimize health risks? I have read some about supplements that are particularly good for the liver and kidneys to take before, during, and after a cycle

Since dieting is more important, just continue researching.

In short, the diet board is your answer, essentially what Radar said.

 

[ohsures1]

thanks for the reply- I think I should have been more specific about my diet- to translate what I wrote in the initial post 'my diet is very good, as I follow the 'Body For Life' diet plan for the most part' this consists of 6 meals a day- high in protein- lower in fat - lowest in carbs- this is a basic 'cutting' diet that most people achieve great results from....not I though.....mathematically I burn more calories throughout the day and with my exercise than I consume as well which obviously puts me in a calorie deficit which is an ingredient for losing fat....other suggestions?

 

[ohsures1]

thanks for the reply- I think I should have been more specific about my diet- to translate what I wrote in the initial post 'my diet is very good, as I follow the 'Body For Life' diet plan for the most part' this consists of 6 meals a day- high in protein- lower in fat - lowest in carbs- this is a basic 'cutting' diet that most people achieve great results from....not I though....mathematically I burn more calories throughout the day and with my exercise than I consume as well which obviously puts me in a calorie deficit which is an ingredient for losing fat...other suggestions?

 

[CPA22]

I use to follow the "Body for Life" diet program when i was younger. It is a very good plan for the average person and actually helped myself lose wieght at a point in time. Make sure you keep your cardio as intense as possible (i know it is interval training for BFL). I do not think you should turn towards the steriod route yet because I feel that you have not looked at every possible option and I am not really a fan of using winny alone eventhough I personally know people who have done it and liked the results.

Maybe some eca and clen could help you?
Are you following for the Body For Life workouts also? If so, maybe its time to change?
Do you ever cheat? If you did maybe it will help speed up your metabolism.

 

[Jenetic]

thanks for the reply- I think I should have been more specific about my diet- to translate what I wrote in the initial post 'my diet is very good, as I follow the 'Body For Life' diet plan for the most part' this consists of 6 meals a day- high in protein- lower in fat - lowest in carbs- this is a basic 'cutting' diet that most people achieve great results from....not I though....mathematically I burn more calories throughout the day and with my exercise than I consume as well which obviously puts me in a calorie deficit which is an ingredient for losing fat...other suggestions?

This question comes from experience with several of my clients in the past:

Are you on any medication? Anti Depressants?

 

[RADAR]

thanks for the reply- I think I should have been more specific about my diet- to translate what I wrote in the initial post 'my diet is very good, as I follow the 'Body For Life' diet plan for the most part' this consists of 6 meals a day- high in protein- lower in fat - lowest in carbs- this is a basic 'cutting' diet that most people achieve great results from....not I though....mathematically I burn more calories throughout the day and with my exercise than I consume as well which obviously puts me in a calorie deficit which is an ingredient for losing fat...other suggestions?

I did the same BFL are you taking a 12-14hr fast after your last meal and doing cardio the next morning on an empty stomach, that always does a hatchet job on fat.

RADAR

 

[promet1]

The answers to all your questions are avaiable

Search search search.......

I'll jump on the band wagon ALSO........diet, cardio, llifting......life style !!

Also Beware......Your now a target for scammers !!!

good luck......

 

[wesley90]

I am on some anti-depressents...prozac, buspar, and anti-anxiety xanax...why would that matter?

 

[ohsures1]

This question comes from experience with several of my clients in the past:

Are you on any medication? Anti Depressants?

funny you should ask- (well it is not FUNNY) but you get my point- yes - I take 150 mg of effexor daily....think this may be a source for my 'stuck' metabolism?

 

[ohsures1]

'add any supplement in sensible dosages to avoid catabolizing your hard earned muscle'


ok- I am a rookie on some of the lingo - when you say supplement to you mean a non-steriod? or are you including steriods in the term supplment? any suggestions of good non-steriod supps?

 

[Jenetic]

funny you should ask- (well it is not FUNNY) but you get my point- yes - I take 150 mg of effexor daily....think this may be a source for my 'stuck' metabolism?

I believe this definitely has something to do with things. I have worked with various people during my days as a personal trainer and strength and conditioning coach. I have never had a client not make their goal or deadline in regards to weight loss or performance. I had about 5 cases where no matter what changes we made to their diet and training program, the person would not lose weight and sometimes to my amazement, actually gained weight.

Finally, after reflecting on our sessions, I decided to review their medical history questionares. 3 of them had listed using SSRI's and the other 2 said that they were not on any medication. I always felt one of them was somewhat mentally unstable so I pulled her aside on day and bluffed her by saying "Why did you lie to me on your Medical History Questionare?" She folded and came clean. The other one openly admitted to it when I asked her and originally thought that it was really not a big deal to mention something like that.

Moving on, I was baffled by this phenomenon and started compliling as much data as I could on the condition. I learned quite a bit from those studies and was able to form a hypothesis about SSRI's and the associated weight gain or difficulties in weight loss. Obviously, Effexor is not an SSRI. The weight related problems are not as severe but may still be related in some way.

A reocurring piece of data in those studies was the neuroendocrine system and a fat cell derrived hormone called Leptin. Leptin reduces the uptake of food and increases energy expenditure. The alteration of Leptin has been shown to directly cause weight gain for certain people using an SSRI.

Adipocyte plays a major role in Leptin regulation. Unfortunately, this is not something you can supplement. Therefore I took deeper look in to the origins and metabolism of Adipocyte and found that Essential Fatty Acids directly regulate Adipocyte and Leptin. Essential Fatty Acids are the precursors (comes before, or needed to make) for both Adipocyte and Leptin.

We started using an OMEGA 3 (EPA/DHA) supplement at 2,400 mgs daily. Slowly, we worked out way up to 7,200 mgs daily over the course of two to three weeks. The results were quite impressive. Four out of the five clients experienced an average weight loss of about 15 lbs and only one of the clients did not lose weight. I should also note that the supplementation of the EFA's stopped her from gaining anymore weight. Unfortunately, she became discouraged and quit.

Jenetic

 

[Jenetic]

Finally, after reflecting on our sessions, I decided to review their medical history questionares. 3 of them had listed using SSRI's and the other 2 said that they were not on any medication.

SSRI'S - Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors

Celexa (Citalopram)
Luvox (Fluvoxamine)
Paxil (Paroxetine)
Prozac (Fluoxetine)
Zoloft (Sertraline)

 

[VictorBR]

good post jenectic , as always

BUMP


Victor