Help From Low Bf Builders

[lulu23]

These are my stats 22years old 5'9" 164lbs.11%BF.. I have never taken steroids..and am in my first cycle starting started April 14..

wk 1-10 Sust 250 250mgs/week
wk 3-12 Primobolin Depot 100mgs/every 3rd day
wk 2-end 10mgs Nolva ED
wk 13 100mgs clomid 10days 50mgs 10days

My goals are to drop BF to 6% and not loose muscle..I do not want to gain more than
3-6lbs muscles..will this cycle help me achive this...

I do 40min cardio 4days a week..and have a very strick diet..approx 2000-2300cal a day-30g fat..180g protien..200g carbs

opinions from people who have low BF only please

 

[genarr3]

The steroids will help you preserve muscle while you diet. The steroids themselves won't remove any fat however.

 

[Evik]

5'9 164lbs, and you don't want to gain any muscle?????
hmmmm


First of all, I doubt that on your calorie intake, and protein intake, you will gain ANYTHING, much less muscle. So looks like you won't have to worry about that.

I might be off track a bit, but how long have you been training? It doesn't sound like very long. And I don't understand why you would want to use AS if you don't want to grow muscle. Why not keep doing cardio, cut the carbs, and raise the protein to help preserve what muscle you do have? Don't use AS if you are afraid to grow.

 

[laundryjump]

You have a similar build as I do, 5'9 160lbs. With your 1st cycle u will gain huge on sus even at 250 mgs/wk esp. since you added primo. I don't think you need nolvadex. I heard it takes away from your gains by using it. You might not be prone to gyno, I don't think thin people are.

 

[lulu23]

I have been training on and off for SIX YEARS..

 

[BigAndy69]

IU'd say give clenbuterol a try, there's no need to go to steroids for your goals. Steroids are good for...how should I put this...getting JACKED!!!

 

[mvmaxx]

You have a similar build as I do, 5'9 160lbs. With your 1st cycle u will gain huge on sus even at 250 mgs/wk esp. since you added primo. I don't think you need nolvadex. I heard it takes away from your gains by using it. You might not be prone to gyno, I don't think thin people are.

lj - As a newbie please refrain from giving ANYONE ANY advice until you've got the experience to back up that advice.

I don't think you need nolvadex. I heard it takes away from your gains by using it.

You heard wrong.

You might not be prone to gyno, I don't think thin people are

That's a stupid and ridiculous statement. Not only that, it's a reckless statement. You see, lulu may not be able to see just how stupid this advice (why am I even calling it that) is, unlike any other vet on this site, because he is a newbie as well.

So again, until you've got some cycles and true knowledge under your belt, keep your comments to yourself.

 

[ironmaster]

You need to incorporate a thermogenic, or a thyroid supp., or clen, or hGH.......or some combination of the above. Personally, I think younger guys #1 mistake is to worry about BF before they have mass. Eat big, get huge......it's easy to cut later, but you got to have something to work with.
(I'm 5'11, 242.....do I look like I have high BF?)

 

[myasshurts]

Not everyone wants to be huge. I'm 6'1 215 and am perfectly happy with my size and now I am just working on keeping my bf low. Lulu I think you should just do clenbuterol, but if you want to juice then anavar or winstrol would be perfect.

 

[laundryjump]

MVMAXX a dumbass

hey Mv,
I have done couple cycles in past and have knowledge of what I say. Just b/c u rant with ur 1400 post don't mean sh!t that u know anything. why don't u look up nolvadex and see what kind it says before u look stupid. Start with the site:

http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm

QUote on the site is:
. A very rare but all the more serious problem of Nolvadex is that in some cases it does not lower the estrogen level but can increase it. Another disadvantage is that it can weaken the anabolic effect of some steroids. The reason is that Nolvadex, as we know, reduces the estrogen level. The fact is, however, that certain steroids -especially the various testosterone compounds-can only achieve their full effect if the estrogen level is sufficiently high. Those who are used to the intake of larger amounts of various steroids do not have to worry about this. Athletes however, who predominantly use mild steroids such as Primobolan, Winstrol, Oxandrolone, and Deca-Durabolin should carefully consider whether or not they should take Nolvadex since, due to the compound's already moderate ana-bolic effect, an additional loss of effect could take place, leading to unsatisfying results.

So MVMAXX, before u talk out ur @$$ thinking u r a guru do some research as u recommend.

I hate when moron's rant/rave.

And thin people are less prone to gyno b/c we don't have the fat which releases estrogen. That is why obese women are at higher incidence towards breast cancer and obese men have breasts.

Yes, I know this b/c I am in med school but they don't teach all the details w/ steroids in the pharmacology course, just a small chapter.

 

[flexed1]

look at my 7 week out pics. my show is june 1

i have dropped 4.5% bodyfat and lost only 4 pounds. i take fina ( to m ethe difference ) 1 cc daily, tt winny tabs 7 per day, cyp 800 mg week but now prop 1 c eod, eq 500 mg week, deca 450 mg week ( will drop spoon) will add in halo in 5 days. take 7 hydroxycut daily ( works for me) 25 minutes cardio 4 times a week. 1 bodypart per day heavy 2 gallons water, high protein and low carbs. even as i have dropped bodyfat i ahave maintained size and will look great on stage. thats how i do it. also no sugar,aft,dairy,fruit,fruit juice

 

[mvmaxx]

Re: MVMAXX a dumbass

I have done couple cycles in past and have knowledge of what I say.

And your 5'9" @ 160???? I'm sorry.

http://www.anabolicreview.com/drugprof.htm

So MVMAXX, before u talk out ur @$$ thinking u r a guru do some research as u recommend.

#1 I never claim to be a guru, I just try to offer "sensible" advice to those requesting it.
#2 - I've read the profiles and I know what Nolvadex does. I've also read a study that Nolvadex reduces IGF-1 by 56%. You should have added that in your rant.
But the fact is many of the studies completely contradict themselves. So while understanding and researching steroids, anti-e's, etc is very important, nothing surpasses real world experience. And the real world experiences that I've seen from both myself and other bro's is that Nolvadex did not hinder our gains at all. Granted, it may with some people as my experience will not speak for all, but this kid had only planned 10mg/ED. I highly doubt that would have any negative effect. I am on 4x that with no negative effect.

I hate when moron's rant/rave.

Then stop posting.

And thin people are less prone to gyno b/c we don't have the fat which releases estrogen.

Less prone, maybe, but there have been numerous people who have gotten gyno at lower bf%'s than this kid. And I really don't consider 11% low bf%. The fact is it can happen to anyone. Having a low bf% WILL NOT protect someone from getting gyno.

Furthermore, telling this kid that

You might not be prone to gyno, I don't think thin people are

is just a stupid statement to make. Do a search and you'll find a ton of people with low bf%'s that have experienced gyno.

 

[KING]

These are my stats 22years old 5'9" 164lbs.11%BF.. I have never taken steroids..and am in my first cycle starting started April 14..

wk 1-10 Sust 250 250mgs/week
wk 3-12 Primobolin Depot 100mgs/every 3rd day
wk 2-end 10mgs Nolva ED
wk 13 100mgs clomid 10days 50mgs 10days

My goals are to drop BF to 6% and not loose muscle..I do not want to gain more than
3-6lbs muscles..will this cycle help me achive this...

I do 40min cardio 4days a week..and have a very strick diet..approx 2000-2300cal a day-30g fat..180g protien..200g carbs

opinions from people who have low BF only please

Lets see you want to go from 11% to 6% so that is 5% you have to loose. 5% of 165lbs is around 8lbs of pure fat. 8lbs of fat hardly a task, BUT take into consideration that if you loose 5% too fast then you will also loose muscle and not to mention all the water. So you are looking in at about a 15lbs in total weight loss. Now you don't want to be 150lbs at 6% right?! You only wanted to add 6lbs of muscle? so you will be 156 lbs at 6%. If you were thinking of gainnig 6lbs of pure muscle from 165lbs and you will end up at 170lbs at 6% well it is not going to happen with that cycle. Maybe if you up the test by another 250mg and add fina. Like I said is even possible to gain 20lbs of muscle and loose 15lbs of fat which will balance out in only a 5lbs gain in the scale but you will look a ALOT different, but it won't happen with that cycle and you must know your body completely, dieting wise. Good luck

 

[TrueCowboy]

These are my stats 22years old 5'9" 164lbs.11%BF.. I have never taken steroids..and am in my first cycle starting started April 14..

wk 1-10 Sust 250 250mgs/week
wk 3-12 Primobolin Depot 100mgs/every 3rd day
wk 2-end 10mgs Nolva ED
wk 13 100mgs clomid 10days 50mgs 10days

My goals are to drop BF to 6% and not loose muscle..I do not want to gain more than
3-6lbs muscles..will this cycle help me achive this...

I do 40min cardio 4days a week..and have a very strick diet..approx 2000-2300cal a day-30g fat..180g protien..200g carbs

opinions from people who have low BF only please

I don't think we are getting the whole story here, because this really doesn't make sense. The only thing that I can think of to make sense out of this is that you are an athlete of some sort, and must stay under 170 to be within some sort of weight class. Am I right?

If that is the case, then I guess your cycle isn't too far off base. You could be a boxer (for example) competing in a weight class which ends at 170. The cycle would help in a training geared toward boxing. But you definately need to up the protein (At least 1.5 grams per lb. body weight), and make sure your getting enough carbs to fuel your training (what you stated won't cut it). You can always cut back bro. Don't get into the mindset that you're that different and the rules of how much/what to eat on/off juice don't apply to you, I had to overcome that. Do some searches on proper dieting on the board. I know I have learned a lot by doing so.

But, if you are not trying to stay within a weight class, listen to the previous statements from the vet's. DO SEARCHES!!! Learn all you can. This board has a TON of information to help you. USE IT!!!