Help for a friend...

[ManOfGlass]

Alright i have a friend who is as interested in juice as i am. Neither of us have used gear before. He wants to try it but is not ready to use any injectables till he is convinced it will work well (Case of needle phobia i guess). He wants a simple cycle that will be easy on him and he isent into bulking much, just strength and vascular gains. He was thinking of running an anavar and winny tab cycle, money is not a problem here. Would this be a big problem taking two tabs? I know var is 17aa but is winny? would this be to hard on a newbies liver? He wanted expert advice so i thought you guys could help more than anyone else, thanks.

 

[gilly6993]

If he's not ready to inject he's not ready for gear......

 

[RADAR]

i agree

 

[liftsiron]

Ditto.

 

[Focker]

Alright i have a friend who is as interested in juice as i am. Neither of us have used gear before. He wants to try it but is not ready to use any injectables till he is convinced it will work well (Case of needle phobia i guess). He wants a simple cycle that will be easy on him and he isent into bulking much, just strength and vascular gains. He was thinking of running an anavar and winny tab cycle, money is not a problem here. Would this be a big problem taking two tabs? I know var is 17aa but is winny? would this be to hard on a newbies liver? He wanted expert advice so i thought you guys could help more than anyone else, thanks.

u got it backwards. Winny is 17aa but var isn't.

 

[Eman350]

needles are the best part. talk him into injectables and he he'll be counting the days until he gets to take another shot!!

 

[SofaGeorge]

If he's not ready to inject he's not ready for gear......

Gilly speaks the gospel.

 

[bodybuild]

look into ANDRIOL much safer and its not a 17aa

 

[ManOfGlass]

Heres the deal, he has no problem with needles but he would rather not use them until he knows he wants to get serious into training with gear. He Simply wants to get his feet wet using orals, i tried to get him to try something else but he really likes the sound of var and winny and he is stubborn so i probably cant get him to change his mind, all i want to know is this safe or not to be taking two orals in the same cycle for a newbie?

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

i did dbol/winny 5 weeks/5 weeks. and now am doing 75mg anavar for 10 weeks and IP winny 1 tab ED for the final month of it. i'm still kickin. anavar and winny is a great starter cycle. some people need to work into the whole AAS thing........has nothing to do with being afraid and what not.

 

[PatBateman]

Heres the deal, he has no problem with needles but he would rather not use them until he knows he wants to get serious into training with gear. He Simply wants to get his feet wet using orals, i tried to get him to try something else but he really likes the sound of var and winny and he is stubborn so i probably cant get him to change his mind, all i want to know is this safe or not to be taking two orals in the same cycle for a newbie?

gear is serious, you have to be determined in training and diet to use them and this guy doesn't. The posters above are right on, couldn't be more right.

This is why I hate orals, they let every Joe Schmoe who isn't committed juice. Luckily, they only let these people blow up for short periods, for anyone who sticks with oral only cycles most likely will not know what they are doing as far as post-cycle is concerned, let alone diet and training. I say let the college and high-schoolers have the orals, they won't do much with them anyway.

MAnofglass, in no way was the above rant directed at you or your friend, just let him read it and try and convince him that to juice right ya gotta use test, and last I checked andriol did nothing!!!

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

gear is serious, you have to be determined in training and diet to use them and this guy doesn't. The posters above are right on, couldn't be more right.

This is why I hate orals, they let every Joe Schmoe who isn't committed juice. Luckily, they only let these people blow up for short periods, for anyone who sticks with oral only cycles most likely will not know what they are doing as far as post-cycle is concerned, let alone diet and training. I say let the college and high-schoolers have the orals, they won't do much with them anyway.

MAnofglass, in no way was the above rant directed at you or your friend, just let him read it and try and convince him that to juice right ya gotta use test, and last I checked andriol did nothing!!!

i gotta disagree. i think anavar only cycles are great.....and all winny cycles can't be beat for a cutter. trust me it will lead to all out AAS use, because you figure out you need to go to the next level.

 

[PatBateman]

i gotta disagree. i think anavar only cycles are great.....and all winny cycles can't be beat for a cutter. trust me it will lead to all out AAS use, because you figure out you need to go to the next level.

you are right about the anavar, I think winny can be better used stacked with fina and/or prop. My point was there are too many people, esp. young kids, running around popping dbol like they are pez with no knowledge of gear, training, diet, etc. C'mon, you know there are. Every once in a while you get posts around here with the guy saying "my friend gave me these pink pills and said they would blow me up, should I take them?" but I have never seen a post where someone said "my friend just gave me these loaded syringes, should I stick myself and get big?"

not trying to start an argument because I do agree with your point, just sick of all these people using gear and not putting the time in at the comp. learning!!

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

you are right about the anavar, I think winny can be better used stacked with fina and/or prop. My point was there are too many people, esp. young kids, running around popping dbol like they are pez with no knowledge of gear, training, diet, etc. C'mon, you know there are. Every once in a while you get posts around here with the guy saying "my friend gave me these pink pills and said they would blow me up, should I take them?" but I have never seen a post where someone said "my friend just gave me these loaded syringes, should I stick myself and get big?"

not trying to start an argument because I do agree with your point, just sick of all these people using gear and not putting the time in at the comp. learning!!

yeah agreed on that. Thai dbol and IP winny are everywhere! and when some young kid uses them and loses it all because they are dumb....that is stupidity. but if someone wants to work their way up to a full blown cycle by cycling anavar or winny by themselves and do it properly, that is OK in my book. as long as they are serious in the training/supp/diet/post cycle dept's. i get pissed at these same stupid people you mention though! just shouldn't lump the serious guys in with the other 98% dipshits.

 

[PatBateman]

yeah agreed on that. Thai dbol and IP winny are everywhere! and when some young kid uses them and loses it all because they are dumb....that is stupidity. but if someone wants to work their way up to a full blown cycle by cycling anavar or winny by themselves and do it properly, that is OK in my book. as long as they are serious in the training/supp/diet/post cycle dept's. i get pissed at these same stupid people you mention though! just shouldn't lump the serious guys in with the other 98% dipshits.

excellent post, but it's 99% dipshits!

Yes, absolutely the person you describe above who is serious can do whatever they want as long as they study and have the other components down. I would not knock them for wanting to break their cherry on anavar or winny to see what happens. However, I would strongly recommend anavar as the best choice as far as sides a newbie will be experiencing; the joint pain alone might be enough to cause a newbie to bail on a winny only cycle!!!

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

but it's 99% dipshits!

i KNEW you were going to say that!