help falling asleep?

[Synpax]

HEy,

The hyperpharmacutical state I'm in has resulted in me upsetting my sleep scheduele. I use to "reset" it by taking Benadryl to knock me out on time, but it doesn't seem to be working anymore and I don't want to crank the dossage too high.

Any suggestions on something that will *KNOCK ME OUT* so I can get to sleep on time and get up on time?

thanks,

Synpax

 

[pharmguy]

clonidine .1- mg then go up
seroquel 25 mgs
trazadone 25-50 mgs
neurontin 1600 mgs
no ambien
no ghb
no xanax
no valium

 

[Synpax]

all at once? I've never heard of these drugs; are they expensive/legal/over the counter?

 

[pharmguy]

no, not all at once. Try any ONE of them
AAS increase BP, clonidine is a BP reducing drug, its a good start. Short half life, low hangover effect. They are all script. All can be found on the net.

 

[pharmguy]

Second choice on that list would be seroquel

 

[GawdsGift]

lol the popular but dangerous recommendation:

1 cap of hiighlty consentrated GHB

you'll sleeep like a baby. set 5 alarm clocks if you have to get up early though and if you take to much, 100 alarm clocks wont wake you up untill your ready.

but this is more a joke than anything. GHB is very dangerous, great for raves and sleep but very dangerous.

take at your own risk

 

[The Terminator]

I take .5 mg of xanax when I really can not sleep (or when I have taken too much ephedra during the day)

 

[pharmguy]

GHB and xanax are quick to build a tolerance to and not a good choice. Clonidine has the added effect of causing a burst of GH release as well.

 

[babbabuee]

be careful with the ghb, i've seen guys take a capful and then pass out/ or fall asleep and piss all over themselves.
you ever considered medical marijuana?

 

[The Terminator]

GHB and xanax are quick to build a tolerance to and not a good choice. Clonidine has the added effect of causing a burst of GH release as well.

One might also argue that GHB causes an increase in GH output as well....though I personally found it never seemed to make me sleep better (in fact it made it hard to fall asleep at times...) Though it does make me fuck like a champ , which I suppose in turn makes me sleep better. So I guess in a round about way it did make me sleep better...

 

[glennds]

despite regular exercise, good eating habits and rare alcohol intake, i have always had trouble sleeping. i first tried over the counter sleeping aids such as sominex. over the counters usually consist of diphenhydramine (sp?) which is the EXACT same ingredient sold in over the counter antihistamines, such as benadryl.

when labeled as sleeping aids the same active ingredient is marked up three or four times. save your money and buy the store brand antihistamines if buying. read the labels, you'll see
what i'm talking about.

i found these medications to be useless for sleeping and give you an uncomfortale, dry, and lightheaded feeling. i stopped using them after two or three attempts.

i finally got a presciption for Restoril (tamazepam), a presciption sleeping pill. This drug is part of the benziodapam (sp?) family of drugs. other drugs in this class are xanax and valium. all can be very addictive and will lose their effectiveness with overuse.

i used restoril for about four years periodically and it became ineffecive. i now use ambien, which is a newer class of drug. this drug is terrific. i get a great nights sleep but am using sparingly to avoid resistance.

 

[Juice Authority]

no, not all at once. Try any ONE of them
AAS increase BP, clonidine is a BP reducing drug, its a good start. Short half life, low hangover effect. They are all script. All can be found on the net.

Ok, can you elaborate on this drug a little more. What are the known side effects and does it make you feel groggy in the morning. I like the Xanax idea but I hear it's addictive.

 

[d3track]

not to sound like a punk, but nyquil?
it always knocks me out

 

[pharmguy]

Ok, can you elaborate on this drug a little more. What are the known side effects and does it make you feel groggy in the morning. I like the Xanax idea but I hear it's addictive.

Sides,
Bad taste in mouth, dry mouth. After you take it, sex is out for that evening. The hangover is almost nonexisitent cause it is short acting. When prescribed for BP, it is taken 3 x a day I beleive. I think it is ideal for AAS related inssomnia because it may be the high BP that is keeping you awake. Also, as stated before, it cause acute release of GH . It comes in .1 .2 and .3 mg tabs.
Start with .1
PG

 

[faller]

My sleep remedy is a little mild compared to most of the others, but it works and is cheap! You don't need to take all of this, but right now, I take 2 tabs melatonin (300 mcgs) 4 valerian root caps, and a sominex. The sominex is probably worthless at this point. Valerian is the main one for me. My mind races when I try to sleep, and this helps with that. Different brands work better with different dosages though. I switched brands, continued to take the same mg dose, but ended up being half asleep all day. But a lower dose and I'm good to go in the AM.

 

[pharmguy]

If melatonin or valerian work for you than they are the best choice, always use the least potent when it comes to this stuff.

Juice, check your PM

 

[Fonz]

clonidine .1- mg then go up
seroquel 25 mgs
trazadone 25-50 mgs
neurontin 1600 mgs
no ambien
no ghb
no xanax
no valium

I can tell you from experience neurontin sucks the big one.
I was on it 1600mgs/day because of peripheral nerve pain(feet), because of soccer, and it makes you extremely fuzzy and unable to concentrate fully. Definately something you don't want.

I have heard good things about trazadone and seroquel but have not tried them. I'm about to give seroquel a go.

If you don't want any sleeping aids that are drugs, you could look into 400mg L-Theanine + 100mg Benadryl(In gel caps). Works about 50% of the time in my case.

Fonz

 

[pharmguy]

Fonz let me know what you think of the seroquel...

 

[Fonz]

Fonz let me know what you think of the seroquel...

I have an appt. to see my Doc on the 23rd.

I'll ask him for a prescription of 100mg Seroquel/day.

I'll let you know how it goes.

The one good thing about this drug I heard, is that you don't develop any kind of tolerance to it, which is great.

Fonz

 

[pharmguy]

ok, But 100 mg, is a lot to start out with, if you get him to give you that much, quarter it the first night, you develop some tolerance but you peak out, and it takes a long time. It took me a few months to get up to 100 mgs, I have been @ 100 mg for over a year, never needed more, sometimes I take less if Its real late and I have to get up early.

 

[Juice Authority]

If melatonin or valerian work for you than they are the best choice, always use the least potent when it comes to this stuff.

Juice, check your PM

Thanks Bro. I owe you one.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

I've used neurontin, even at a 300 mg dose it made me drowsy. It also tends to give me very vivid, recouring dreams. Currently I'm using p-7 and melatonin. The combination seems to work well, but isn't particularly strong. I really liked theanine and 5-htp in combination. I slept well and I would say it had a mild mood elevating effect, but again I'm not sure how strong the combination is compared to pharmaceuticals. What is the method of action of the clonidine? Is it a beta blocker?

 

[Slyder190]

Sleep

My 1st cycle was Chines torture as far as lack of sleep. i tried Melatonon, Valerian Root, Unisom, Kava, everything, and nothing worked. I got my hands of some ambien and it was all good after that. Ativan also helped me out as well. I used these during my 2nd cycle. The no-sleep side effect seemed to wear off for me with time. I use nothing now-a-days (except a splif maybe) and sleep fine, but I always have something on hand, only now it is just Unisom.

 

[gab9681]

I use an analog to GHB. GHB itself freaks me out a little. But either of the two major analogs always work well for me. 3-4mls of the stuff and I sleep like a baby. Any more though and I end up drooling on myself. I wouldn't use it often though, only if you really need the sleep. That, or it you are offcycle 3 fingers of scotch does the trick too.

 

[Spunky]

actually the OTC sleep aids work for me, but i don't use them often. i have a big interview tonight so i took 2 generic sleep aid tablets that I purchased at the drug store. i am already sleepy..

 

[al1602]

It sure is good to know that i am not the only one with this problem. I was on Xanax until recently. it seems that you have to keep taking more.. I am very interested in trying the Ambien, Of the guys that have tried it... Have you noticed any receptor downgrade or having to take more and more?

 

[Synpax]

How about melatonin?

 

[liftshard]

Melatonin is the stuff used by people who want to stay natural.

For those who it won't work for, I would recommend an internet pharmacy with "online consultations" that sells benzos.

When I cannot sleep or I need to guarantee sleep, I will rotate Lorazepam (ativan), diazepam (Valium), or alzoprolam (Xanax). 10mgs of Valium, 1mg of Loraz, or a 1mg Xanax should put you to sleep for the night. Take one an hour before you wanna go down. So long as you aren't using them every day or every night, you will not form a dependency so long as you are not dependency prone. If you have previous history of drug addiction, avoid using this stuff as a crutch. Tamazepam also works well and is oft-prescribed as a sleep aid, but it's a Benzo like the rest of them.

When the rubber hits the road, real downers work. Also, real pain killers work when BS OTC crap won't. Find sources and keep some handy just like you would for any other emergency.

 

[[email protected]]

I'm about to give seroquel a go.

I’ve been on it for about 2 years. The first time you take it you will not even remember what happened right after the next morning. I slept about 14 hours.

I take about 100mg per night now and I still can’t get to sleep sometimes but it absolutely helps keeping you asleep once you finally do fall asleep.

Get a box of 25mg samples. It’s really for Schizophrenics and they usually have to take about 400mg per day. For an off label script it’s 25. Seroquel is a mood stabilizer, that’s what I take it for. The sleep part is just a bonus.

Any Q’s on it and just drop me an e-mail for more detail.

 

[OMEGA]

ambien works verrrrry well but i did not like the way it makes me feel the next day

it worked everytime though

 

[DJ_UFO]

What about Tylenol PM?

 

[doublebicep]

What about Tylenol PM?

Tylenol is a bad idea for anyone using AAS. Tylenol is liver toxic. Probably more liver toxic then some steriods. Mixing them would be hard on your liver.

Remember, you have to have a liver to be a liver.

 

[The Terminator]

What about Tylenol PM?

I believe you can buy the active ingredient separate from the tylenol...If you want Tylenol PM, I would opt for the version minus the tylenol...

 

[Generic MALE]

Dude if you are in a "hyperpharmaceutical state" don't add more drugs. Everyone should know that sleep problems are almost classic for the use of anabolics. Be prepared for less sleep when on , thats all. Don't add more drugs?

Are you really tired during the day? If not then don't worry about it.

If anything take care of what in medicine is known as your sleep hygeine. An hour before sleep make sure all your indoor ambient light is very dim - darnkess cues the body to prepare for sleep. Do not watch TV for a couple of hours before sleep - the 55 HX flicker (if you are in the states) stimulates the CNS. The same thing happens in Europe but I think it is more like 70 hz. Don't drink coffee , cafeinated drinks or sugar right before bed.

Try not to do stressful work within 2 hours of bed. Avoid stressful relationships and anxiety provoking things. Take deep breathes. Drink milk. Theanine as Fonz mentioned is relaxing to the nervous system - as is GABA and magnesium. Hot baths have been shown to help people fall asleep and stay asleep.

 

[pharmguy]

As I said before, I strongly recomend against ambien, ativan,valium or any other benzo(xanax). Ambien will cause a quick tolerance and require a much higher dosage immediately. That is why it is only supposed to be taken 7-10 days. GHB and any of its anaolgues is a dangerous drug.

 

[stonecold54]

Dude if you are in a "hyperpharmaceutical state" don't add more drugs. Everyone should know that sleep problems are almost classic for the use of anabolics. Be prepared for less sleep when on , thats all. Don't add more drugs?

Are you really tired during the day? If not then don't worry about it.

If anything take care of what in medicine is known as your sleep hygeine. An hour before sleep make sure all your indoor ambient light is very dim - darnkess cues the body to prepare for sleep. Do not watch TV for a couple of hours before sleep - the 55 HX flicker (if you are in the states) stimulates the CNS. The same thing happens in Europe but I think it is more like 70 hz. Don't drink coffee , cafeinated drinks or sugar right before bed.

Try not to do stressful work within 2 hours of bed. Avoid stressful relationships and anxiety provoking things. Take deep breathes. Drink milk. Theanine as Fonz mentioned is relaxing to the nervous system - as is GABA and magnesium. Hot baths have been shown to help people fall asleep and stay asleep.

excellent post bro. I like the part about the TV in there. I have found that to be true. if i read a good book before bed instead of watching tv I have an easier time falling asleep. that said the best sleep aid I have found is free, you never build a tolerance and it comes with no hangover. SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jboldman]

Ambien is almost useless for me. Xanax works. Clonidin so so. GHB only good for 2-3 hrs.

jb

It sure is good to know that i am not the only one with this problem. I was on Xanax until recently. it seems that you have to keep taking more.. I am very interested in trying the Ambien, Of the guys that have tried it... Have you noticed any receptor downgrade or having to take more and more?