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Do you think it's a good idea to do weighted chin-ups with weight that enables you to do NO MORE than 3 reps ?

[I'm stuck w/ bodyweight chin-ups (around 15)
I tried with plates that weight 30% of my bodyweight and I can do 3 chin-ups ]
 
Anthrax said:
Do you think it's a good idea to do weighted chin-ups with weight that enables you to do NO MORE than 3 reps ?

[I'm stuck w/ bodyweight chin-ups (around 15)
I tried with plates that weight 30% of my bodyweight and I can do 3 chin-ups ]
I dont think it's a good idea.
 
I don't see the problem if you want to build your strength. Maybe 3x5, 5x5, 8x3, whatever.

There's no law that says you gotta do high reps to build muscle.
 
Start out with 10% of your BW, do 5X3, add small increments of weight each workout. Trust me, your pull-up strength will improve.

I've been doing HEAVY weighted pull-ups for years. I struggled with my BW at first, now I'm so accustomed to the extra weight when I do use just BW I almost pull my head through the ceiling.
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
I don't see the problem if you want to build your strength. Maybe 3x5, 5x5, 8x3, whatever.

There's no law that says you gotta do high reps to build muscle.

No, but there are studies that draw some pretty strong conclusions that 8-14 reps is ideal for hypertrophy.

It has to do with TUT (time under tension). 8-14 reps usually equals 30-60 seconds which is ideal for hypertrophy, 0-30 is for strength, and 60+ is for endurance.

Now, to say that strength and size are completely independent from each other is obsurd, there is certainly overlap. Rest assured if you keep adding weight to 5x5 or 5x3 that you will get bigger, but its not the best route for hypertrophy.
 
in one of arnold's books, he said to do as many sets as you need to reach your target reps.......but i still think 3 is not enuff, would you do jus 3 dips? or 3 sit-ups?
 
yomama said:
I guess it depends on if you're a bodybuilder or a powerlifter.

In the middle :)

Let's say that my main goal now is add some strength (and hopefully the mass will follow as a side effect)
 
adding weight will help overall muscle growth but not for repping BW. I don't think I could do my own BW for 15 yet I can strap on 60-70lbs and get a good set of 5reps
 
Lord_Suston said:
adding weight will help overall muscle growth but not for repping BW. I don't think I could do my own BW for 15 yet I can strap on 60-70lbs and get a good set of 5reps

How do you explain that ?

Different fibers working ?
 
Well, basically it comes down to this IMo
If I want to squat 20 reps with 405 I don't practice triples and doulbes with 500, I start doing 20 reps with maybe 275 and work my way up. You should train the way you want to perform. If you want more reps on an excercises then you need to train for reps, whether it is an issue of fiber types, conditioning or CNs adaptation.

Right now I train for strength but with a decetn amount of conditioning (relatively speaking. So I squat 2x5 with some heavy weight for myself, but doing 20 reps will not help my 5rm max unless I surpass my 5rm # with my 20rm#
 
what i have found with pullups is that bodyweight reps are helped by heavy weight. however, your body has a natural aerobic fitness level that you will also have to work on to move past a certain rep range. i find that no matter how much weight i can strap around my waist, i cant get past 10 reps in a set unless i specifically train high rep sets. doing three rep sets might help your overall strength, but to really get your 15 reps at bodyweight you have to go for 15 reps in at least some of your workouts!
 
Lord_Suston and JohnRobHolmes, that makes sense

I've started a 2 days a week chin-up routine

1st day = 4-5 sets of 8-15 reps @ bodyweight

2nd day = 4-5 sets of 2-5 reps @ 120-130% bodyweight
 
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