Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below At 32 years old,would like to think I am the model of health,diet,excercise,rest,habits(alchohol and drug free for over 6 years)active lifestyle,clean bill of health 6 months ago from Dr,blood tests,etc.I am 4 weeks into my first test e 500mg e/w cycle,up about 11 lbs so far,coming along nicely.About 3 days ago I noticed my heart beating harder at times(every couple seconds,to every couple minutes),in 1 or 2 "pump" bursts.I can feel it slam down for those 1 or 2 pumps then fine,this happens more in the evening,6 pm - 6am,(I work nights)Has been okay in the morning and afternoons.Would the additional body weight,or AAS have some effect on this?No other supps/meds except protien,ALA,multi vit.,milk thistle,AIFM,dropped ginko,diet at 4700 clean cals,up from 3700 pre cycle.My cardio all still on,nothing major,no problems while doing cardio,blood pressure and pulse all spot on last few days,I have been checking it.I am 6'4",235 lbs,about 15% bf.Any of you experience such things while on.I am maybe a day or so away to having it checked if it persists.
Heart problem? Need input...
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solidspine
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The heart is a great muscle, you ignore it until you in your 50’s and then it still a great muscle. Gear will of course raise your B/P and you have the potential for a stroke, if your vessels are clear, that is of course very unlikely.
Aside from bad genetics, cigarettes, Obesity and other obvious factors are what really affect the function of your pump.
Noticing your heart beat, or it skipping, even high BP is not a big deal.
You’re B/P and pulse is the best indicator of your heart health.
I suspect you have Mitrol Valve prolase, where the heart will skip a few beats and then comes back, well kind of like gang busters to catch up.
Scares you, I have it, and occasionally will take a beta blocker to manage it,
If that is correct, the Cardiologist will drive you nuts, with medication, I quit taking most of those meds 15 years ago, have had two incidents, where my B/P was out of whack (225/165) and then once in surgery.
If it bothers you go see a cardiologist, I recommend you ignore it, and check out the University of Alabama’s Mitro Valve Prolase clinic, and read there book on the subject.
Aside from bad genetics, cigarettes, Obesity and other obvious factors are what really affect the function of your pump.
Noticing your heart beat, or it skipping, even high BP is not a big deal.
You’re B/P and pulse is the best indicator of your heart health.
I suspect you have Mitrol Valve prolase, where the heart will skip a few beats and then comes back, well kind of like gang busters to catch up.
Scares you, I have it, and occasionally will take a beta blocker to manage it,
If that is correct, the Cardiologist will drive you nuts, with medication, I quit taking most of those meds 15 years ago, have had two incidents, where my B/P was out of whack (225/165) and then once in surgery.
If it bothers you go see a cardiologist, I recommend you ignore it, and check out the University of Alabama’s Mitro Valve Prolase clinic, and read there book on the subject.
Interesting,though with no past history,and feeling it start just days ago,I have to wonder why something now?My primary Dr. is a cardiologist,did most of my dads operations,so I use him as a general Dr.,(check ups/bloodtests/etc)I wonder if I felt my chest I could feel a skip to see if thats what it is,likely prior to the hard pumps.
solidspine
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Could be a million things, gear, exercise , stress,
Just keep up the cardio,
How high can you get your pulse up in 30 minutes?
Just keep up the cardio,
How high can you get your pulse up in 30 minutes?
Never checked it on a moniter,just know when I am breathing very hard,sweating my ass off,I am in the cardio zone.I have added 3 cardio sessions a week during my cycle,of 30-40 minutes each.On top of what I already did preworkout warmup.Coach youth hockey as well,so 2x a week find myself huffing and puffing working up a sweat running through drills with the kids.
mudbone5150
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bigmodean said:
I agree with solidspine on this one. It could also be PVC's (Premature Ventricular Contractions).
Nearly everyone has them from time to time and they are generally benign. Nothing to really worry about. Most people don't notice them. They are more likely to happen during times of stress, lack of rest, alcohol consumption, and when taking stimulants such as too much caffeine. When you have a run of PVC's--one every few seconds--worrying about them will only make them worse. However, if they continue for a great length of time you may have a condition known as Atrial Fibrillation.
In this condition the upper chambers of your heart's electrical system misfire rapidly and early causing the atrium (upper heart chambers) to quiver or fibrillate instead of beating normally. The ventricals--lower chambers--try to keep up which results in an irregular heartbeat that feels like a run of PVC's. This is also non-life threatening and will usually go away on its own. However, certain beta blockers if taken before heavy exercise will help you maintain a steadier sinus rhythm.
If you experience your irregular heartbeat for longer than an hour, you should take aspirin to thin the blood. The reason for this is as follows: In atrial fibrillation, blood will pool in the atria. Without normal circulation, this could lead to clotting of the pooled blood. When sinus rhythm returns to normal, the clots are released into your bloodstream and could cause a stroke. Best to err on the side of caution and you will be ok.
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gettinripped
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mudbone is dead on. i have been diagnosed with PVC's. I have it all the time. Sometimes harder than other times. I was really freaked out about it last year at about this sametime when for about 5 days straight my heart would do an irregular heartbeat. Went to the c/v doc, ran echo cardigram(sonogram of the heart) stress test, and the 24 hour monitor. He says I definately have PVC's and there is nothing you can do about it. He said I could go on med's but at 31 I'm not down with popping pills forever. He told me that it won't lead to a heartattack or stroke, just need to monitor it if it worsens. For peace of mind, and after your done cycling, go have it checked. It helped me feel more comfortable.
He also told me that everyone has them, just some can feel them more than others. I used drugs quite heavily in my 20's and was worried I had done damage which lead me to get it checked.
Do a search on PVC's and you'll find alot on information on it.
Good luck and don't stress yourself out about it.
He also told me that everyone has them, just some can feel them more than others. I used drugs quite heavily in my 20's and was worried I had done damage which lead me to get it checked.
Do a search on PVC's and you'll find alot on information on it.
Good luck and don't stress yourself out about it.
solidspine
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I suspect your heart is fine, as a muscle, it may skip or like mentioned above you may be diagnosed with PVC,
On the other hand, if your heart simply skips three cardiologists will conclude three separate diagnoses, and it the end you are still fine.
That’s a lot of cardio; I would expect serious pain resulting from that much exsertion and more importantly serious clicking (skipping) in your case.
See your MD, post the results, curious now. Better to have it checked then not.
Good advice all,thank you,It started on cue after dinner tonight,though felt a bit worse through out the night at work(a little bit of pressure on chest area),though it "went away" a bit earlier tonight.I will have to see how it feels when I lay down to go to sleep,sometimes it feels worse then.I did find, like mentioned above, thinking about it made it worse.I dropped the gingko biloba because I thought the thinning of blood was not good,but Mudbones' reasoning with blood thinning makes some sense,dont mention the stroke or heart attack thing though,thats my worst nightmare.My regular doc. is a cardiologist,my dad has had many heart problems,and I see him because he is familiar with family and history,very open with him.Its odd to me that its started now during my first cycle.If I dont go see him tommorow,I will wait it out over the weekend and see how it goes,then go Monday if it doesnt get better,I will ask him what he thinks about the timing of it all.My wife on my ass becuase shes not crazy about the whole gear thing...Will keep in touch with all that replied.
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anyone know what this is, whenever im on test, toward the evening as said above, after i eat something or have a shake, i can feel my pulse in my head, lips, scalp, hands. don't know what it is, never felt it before i cycled, when i come off it's gone. is it just bp spikes due to being on and then eating?
dsh89
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Mudbone is close to right on. It could be PVC's, but multiple PVC's do not make up Atrial Fibrillation. On all other points he is right. Multiple PVC's make up short runs of Ventricular Tachycardia. Atrial Fibrillation originates in the upper chambers, or Atria, and PVC's originate in the lower chambers, or Ventricles. Sorry I was an Advanced Cardiac Life Support Instructor. I taught doctors this shit. The problem with having mutiple PVC's is if the depolarization and repolarization of the heart happen to fall on each other. This is known as R on T phenomenon, and could result in Ventricular Fibrillation, which means you are dead. I would definately advise you to see your doctor, because you need an EKG in the least, or possibly a Holter monitor to wear for 24 hours to see exactly what is going on.
mudbone5150
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dsh89 said:
Thanks for the clarification dsh89. In my above statement I should have been more concise. Atrial fibrillation may be interpreted by the patient as a run of PVC's, but it is not. Atrial fibrillation can feel like a fish continuously flopping around in your chest. As dsh89 stated, Ventricular fibrillation=death.
Ah great,thanks alot,I WAS feeling better......!I went to E.R. today,after calling my Dr. who is a Cardiologist,one of his assiciates in his office said go ASAP.He would call them to tell them I was on the way.I got the EKG,and blood tests to show any heart or lung malfunction,I didnt spill the beans about the gear to the E.R. Dr.,but told him about my diet,intensified workout routine,and so on.Everything checked out normal,with the exception of "elevated CK",he told me what it was but I forgot,I wonder if that is a resault of the gear,when he told me he kind of paused and looked at me,he said it may be because of my intense workouts,and asked me the last time I lifted,I told him yesterday,squat day,he said it was either coming from the heart,or my sore legs,and said nothing more of it,then after 3 hours they sent me home.I have a follow up apt. with my actual Dr. weds @ 3:30,I will tell him about the gear,we have talked before,and would ask him about the 24 hour moniter.I truly have felt the best I have since 5 days ago when it started,maybe the weight of worry lifted a bit has helped that,I went and did a light lift after work tonight(4:00am)and heart felt a bit "sore"at times(during shrugs/military press),but nothing else,and palpatations are much less as well.Will take it easy now until Monday workout.I will also see how I fell when I lay down,because that seemed to make it worse before.The Dr. also explained how these things are much more common that one would think,like the one post said above.He also told me "You seem like a very driven person...take some time to stop and smell the roses"That made a bit of an impression on me,because it was right on.Thank for replies guys,will keep in touch on this.dsh89 said:
solidspine
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That’s a decent amount of cardio, for your heart and will help keep it in shape.
We are mostly body builders here, and there is no right or wrong when it comes to bulking, cardio, diet, extra weight etc…\
We all have similar goals, but different bodies and get different results.
I just think under your present circumstances that is great you are doing that much cardio each week and will keep your heart strong.
It was better last night at work,but as soon as I laid down for bed It came back,pretty bad,laid there for 3.5 of my 4 hours of sleep awake,feeling palpatations,then I had to get up for hockey practice,for which I felt fine during,but am dreading laying back down to go to bed,because I know what usually happens.Lack of sleep will not help either I know.My next step is going to be to suspend my cycle,at the 5 week point,since this never happened before now,start PCT and see if it goes back to normal,I cant take laying in bed flinching waiting for the next thump,or flutter in my chest,sleeping is supposed to be a sanctuary,not a dreaded,uncomfortable,worrysome event.Emergency visit,and all tests showed A-Okay,but clearly it is not,with the symptoms I am experiencing.solidspine said:
solidspine
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Not a cardiologist but really sounds like MVP.
Do a google search, see what help it can give you.
solidspine
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dsh89
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CK is one of the cardiac enzyme tests used in diagnosing an Acute Myocardial Infarction, better known as a heart attack. We look at a lot of things, but the CK, CKMB, and Troponin are cardiac enzymes that we look to see if they are elevated. When there is damage to the cardiac muscle tissue, these enzymes are released, and the values elevated for up to 12 hours, but they can take up to 12 hours to be released, hence the 23 hour observation window.
Adding stress on the heart muscle, as in intense workouts, can cause the CK to become elevated slightly. So if all your other stuff checked out ok, I would keep my follow up appointments, but I would not be stressed. As people who engage in more strenuous activity than the avergae joe, a lot of lab tests come back as abnormal. My kidney function always is elevated, but my BUN:Creatinine ratio is always where it should be.
Kepp us posted bro and GL!
Adding stress on the heart muscle, as in intense workouts, can cause the CK to become elevated slightly. So if all your other stuff checked out ok, I would keep my follow up appointments, but I would not be stressed. As people who engage in more strenuous activity than the avergae joe, a lot of lab tests come back as abnormal. My kidney function always is elevated, but my BUN:Creatinine ratio is always where it should be.
Kepp us posted bro and GL!
dsh89
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A little more about Cratine Kinase (CK) tests here.
Why get tested?
To determine if you have had a heart attack or if other muscles in your body have been damaged
When to get tested?
If you have signs and symptoms of a heart attack (e.g., chest pain); if you have muscle pain or muscular weakness
So you see it can be elevated from muscle breakdown, which is what lifing does. Main thing to be care about is rhabdo also.
Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of skeletal muscle due to injury, either mechanical, physical or chemical. The principal result of this process is acute renal failure due to accumulation of muscle breakdown products in the bloodstream, several of which are injurous to the kidney. Treatment is with intravenous fluids, and dialysis if necessary.
From Wikipedia, man I love that site.Too much breakdown of muscle can cause kidney injury, which is why a lot of lifters have elevated kidney function. Kidneys have to work harder to filter everything, including extra protein, nutrients, more water etc.
Why get tested?
To determine if you have had a heart attack or if other muscles in your body have been damaged
When to get tested?
If you have signs and symptoms of a heart attack (e.g., chest pain); if you have muscle pain or muscular weakness
So you see it can be elevated from muscle breakdown, which is what lifing does. Main thing to be care about is rhabdo also.
Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of skeletal muscle due to injury, either mechanical, physical or chemical. The principal result of this process is acute renal failure due to accumulation of muscle breakdown products in the bloodstream, several of which are injurous to the kidney. Treatment is with intravenous fluids, and dialysis if necessary.
From Wikipedia, man I love that site.Too much breakdown of muscle can cause kidney injury, which is why a lot of lifters have elevated kidney function. Kidneys have to work harder to filter everything, including extra protein, nutrients, more water etc.
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bigmodean said:
Ask your doc for some Xanax. Seems your having some anxiety in the evenings.
All good,informative articles,thank you.Not going to diagnose myself,but many things in articles sound familiar.I will bring this up at my apt. w/Cardiologist on weds.Still wondering what set it off(heart)?Not much has changed in my routine,lifestyle,or even diet for many years,aside from starting cycle 5 weeks ago.solidspine said:
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