heart palpitations, WTF?

[THE_BIG_FED]

ok having heart palpitations from time to time all day usually while sitting or laying still (not driving or working or what not). probably the T3??? i took 25mcg for about 2-3 weeks and have been on 50mcg for a month at least. i intended on doing it for 4 months, last month taper down. i am starting the month long taper now due to this situation. but would T3 cause this side effect? also just started fina and EQ.....already using test and GH. have been on test and GH for a while, shouldn't be them. used oral fina and EQ before....never injected fina though. gotta be the T3 right? no ephedrine or clen for 2 weeks solid........shit.............

 

[Latamier]

If you are using T3 you should not be using clen or ephedrine. It is definately the T3 that is causing this to happen. It does this a lot. Also, using T3 for 4 months is a rather long time. Just be sure that you are careful and get your thyroid checked afterward. I will only use T3 for a period no longer than 8 weeks, and I still think that is a long time to be on it. Good luck.

 

[Diabolical]

Funny you mentioned this bro, I also get them from time to time.

Mostly when I am laying down to go to sleep.
Never happens when I am active.

Not even on any T3 or clen....I went to the doc and he said I was perfectly fine.

-Dr. D

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

thanks DD and lat. i don't like this feeling at all...didn't get it last time on T3.....but it scares the shit out of me. i'm starting the taper now, can't go cold turkey. so it will be 3 months on T3, not too bad. at least not 4 months. wish i could just stop, but i don't think that is wise. man i hate heart palpitations! thats what i get for going for a 4 month run......

 

[Diabolical]

Yeah bro, the heart palpitations are not cool at all.

I wonder why they happen when we are inactive.

-Dr. D

 

[DJ_UFO]

Yeah bro, the heart palpitations are not cool at all.

I wonder why they happen when we are inactive.

-Dr. D

Bro!! i'm just finishing a lot of exams cause i have palpitations too...it started to me about 1 year ago...the first time i felt like i was going to die!!...
after a lot of exams, the doc said that my heart is fine, is just that i have that kind of arythmia. when i'm too tired and inactive it can start but when i'm active i'm fine. Now i'm trying to get the cholesterol levels down...it is too high!!!!!!

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Try running 7-10 grams per day of TAURINE.It will help stabilize rhythem.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Same as above.Taurine will lower BP as well.

 

[Diesel31]

yeah i have the same thing...it was a couple of weeks after i finished using Abombs that I started to get it.....I wanna say those fuckers screwed me up, but I dont know forsure. I dont care how big they made me..i will never use it again..

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Try running 7-10 grams per day of TAURINE.It will help stabilize rhythem.

if it persists during the taper, i'll give it a try. can get it cheap at work.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Had them too. The thing is that T3 should not cause this no matter what. But excess juice will. It all depends on how your body reacts to it. For me D-ball stresses my heart like a mo fo, it gets hard to walk up a flight of stairs. That is why i did only one cycle with it and quit it after 2-3 weeks.

I read your post and it struck me that you are on a lot of stuff. Man your taking HGH, test, fina, EQ and T3. And you wonder why? Take a step back and look at the big picture. I would worry about my heart if i were you, this is no joke, especially with the ongoing debate in regards to the abnormal growth of the left ventricle causing it to beat out of rhytum with the right. Be careful man. Most people will say it's bullshit, it may be for them, but your heart is telling you something, do what i did and take it easy.

Stay healthy dude.

 

[jubei]

gwl9dta4, good advice bro. Karma.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Had them too. The thing is that T3 should not cause this no matter what. But excess juice will. It all depends on how your body reacts to it. For me D-ball stresses my heart like a mo fo, it gets hard to walk up a flight of stairs. That is why i did only one cycle with it and quit it after 2-3 weeks.

I read your post and it struck me that you are on a lot of stuff. Man your taking HGH, test, fina, EQ and T3. And you wonder why? Take a step back and look at the big picture. I would worry about my heart if i were you, this is no joke, especially with the ongoing debate in regards to the abnormal growth of the left ventricle causing it to beat out of rhytum with the right. Be careful man. Most people will say it's bullshit, it may be for them, but your heart is telling you something, do what i did and take it easy.

Stay healthy dude.

you forgot the winny and slin. but yeah, i thought of that too. we will see after i discontinue the T3. could be too many AAS at one time. my money is on the T3 though.

 

[gwl9dta4]

you forgot the winny and slin. but yeah, i thought of that too. we will see after i discontinue the T3. could be too many AAS at one time. my money is on the T3 though.

I dont think the T3 is doing this. It's not a stimulant, now clen or effedrine is a different story. T3 is naturally present in your system. I think you may have a electrolyte imbalance which could affect your CNS flow. Or you may have excessive bloat from one of the drugs you are using causing congestion on the heart, this too can lead to palpitations. Either way you slice it, you are on too much stuff and your heart is stressed. Not worth the extra 1/2 inch of arm girth IMO.

Peace.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I dont think the T3 is doing this. It's not a stimulant, now clen or effedrine is a different story. T3 is naturally present in your system. I think you may have a electrolyte imbalance which could affect your CNS flow. Or you may have excessive bloat from one of the drugs you are using causing congestion on the heart, this too can lead to palpitations. Either way you slice it, you are on too much stuff and your heart is stressed. Not worth the extra 1/2 inch of arm girth IMO.

Peace.

none of it is really concurrent though....the test is all the way (4months) and the GH is all the way (6months) but the fina and winny are run back to back not together(actually a few weeks inbetween them)....and the EQ overlaps the test for a month or so...but not for long. the T3 and slin don't count using your logic. so i don't think this is excessive. the AAS is for 4 months between everything....the GH is 6 months at low doses.

 

[gwl9dta4]

none of it is really concurrent though....the test is all the way (4months) and the GH is all the way (6months) but the fina and winny are run back to back not together(actually a few weeks inbetween them)....and the EQ overlaps the test for a month or so...but not for long. the T3 and slin don't count using your logic. so i don't think this is excessive. the AAS is for 4 months between everything....the GH is 6 months at low doses.

Well then it may simply be an issue of an electrolyte/mineral imbalance. But i think the best thing to do is to go see a doctor, and get a EKG. That's what i did and it gave me a peace of mind.

Good luck.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,when those big clots come out,it's always extremely unnerving.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

lol TWADelta (j/k, everytime i see your name i think of that though)....under thyroid the side effects listed are heart palpitations, tachycardia, angina, cardiac arrythmias....lol...i think its the T3 dude. and those are the top listings in the paragraph.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Had them too. The thing is that T3 should not cause this no matter what. But excess juice will. It all depends on how your body reacts to it. For me D-ball stresses my heart like a mo fo, it gets hard to walk up a flight of stairs. That is why i did only one cycle with it and quit it after 2-3 weeks.

I read your post and it struck me that you are on a lot of stuff. Man your taking HGH, test, fina, EQ and T3. And you wonder why? Take a step back and look at the big picture. I would worry about my heart if i were you, this is no joke, especially with the ongoing debate in regards to the abnormal growth of the left ventricle causing it to beat out of rhytum with the right. Be careful man. Most people will say it's bullshit, it may be for them, but your heart is telling you something, do what i did and take it easy.

Stay healthy dude.

you are damn right bro. We have to know that steroids ARE bad and dangerous for the body. They were made for other purposes way far to bodybuilding. The so little studies have shown that everybody reacts different to steroids. Maybe you can put on 2 grams of test in one shot and feel like nothing, but maybe other guy with 2 grams will go straight to the cript with a heart attack. That's why we have to be very careful and NEVER play with out bodies...after all we all are beautiful people. We h ave to listen with our bodies and know when to stop responsibly. Sometimes we go a little bit far. Sometimes could be late.

 

[BrothaBill]

OHHH this is too easy. Palpitaions are normal and occur in 100% of the population. I run tests on peoples heart all day long and people tend to freak out about these. They are actually premature ventricular contractions and you feel the beat after the PVC b/c the heart has a lengthened filling time, then BOOM! a pounding in your chest. No sweat unless they occur in rapid succession called ventricular tachycardia. No need to worry if less than 6 per minute. Also check your pulse is going over 150 then some small concern. When I put people on the treadmill with an ekg they go away with exercise because its overridden by stronger nerve signals. Some people are more sensitive to these, I have had several pts that every other beat was a PVC, (bigeminy) and they never felt it. So dont worry and go for a walk if they bother you theyll go away. Dont sit and stress about it cuz youre more likely to notice them. Also if youre on the juice then your blood pressure maybe elevated which makes it easier to feel them. Check your bp and dont be afraid of diuretics to reduce afterload on the heart.
Not a DOC, but cardiac and vascular ultrasound technologist who works in a Cardiology group

Lucias Brown

 

[BrothaBill]

Oh yeah I forgot to say that dont listen to a word I say, get appropriate advice from a physician. This info is educational and hypothetical. And the left ventricular hypertrophy caused by juice tends to reverse itself once the blood pressure goes down. That assumes that you go off cycle and that you dont have naturally occurring hypertension. LVH is naturally occurring and I see it all the time as a result of uncontrolled blood pressure. It leads to heart failure, kidney damage and increased risk of strokes. Be smart and know your BP. Heart failure sucks, drowning in your own fluids and unable to catch your breath. LVH is diagnosed with ulrasound, but can be seen on an EKG which is a fairly cheap test. <$100

 

[ichabodcrane]

I guarantee supplemental thyroid hormone could cause heart palpitations. Thyroid hormone increases heart rate and cardiac output AND also increases the number of beta receptors in the heart (skeletal muscle and adipose tissue as well). This can lead to increased catecholamine sensitivity and an increased sympathetic response.

 

[Snarling Force]

Glad I found this thread and luciasbrown your post has set my mind at ease a little. Thanks! I've been taking Anadrol now for 2 weeks and the last 3 nights, heart palpitations or whatever you want to call them have had me up and freakin out. Like most here have stated I only seem to notice them while at rest, especially when I lay down for bed which is why the last 3 nights of sleep for me have been hell. I hate these things with a passion but I will try to use reason and the knowledge gained here to chill my head out.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

mine are going away little by little with my taper of the T3. got a tattoo yesterday and my heart was racing the rest of the day. lol. kinda fucked up my program of gettting rid of heart palpitations. meanhwhile i had just taken insulin 5 hours previous and i am on all kinds of roids and benzos and what not. all went well though.

 

[BrothaBill]

Glad I found this thread and luciasbrown your post has set my mind at ease a little. Thanks! I've been taking Anadrol now for 2 weeks and the last 3 nights, heart palpitations or whatever you want to call them have had me up and freakin out. Like most here have stated I only seem to notice them while at rest, especially when I lay down for bed which is why the last 3 nights of sleep for me have been hell. I hate these things with a passion but I will try to use reason and the knowledge gained here to chill my head out.

Not a problem bro,
Definitely dont want to diagnose you., but I deal with pts who complain about this all the time, I know what they are and they still startle me. Adrenaline is what over rides them. Also excess thyroid does cause a number of different irregular heartbeats including atrial fibrillation and supraventricular tachycardia.

 

[cbeaks]

Sorry to be the ignorant one on this thread but what exactly is tachycardia? - cbeaks

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

Sorry to be the ignorant one on this thread but what exactly is tachycardia? - cbeaks

rapid heart rate in this case.

 

[cbeaks]

rapid heart rate in this case.

ok, thanks Mr. The_Big_Fed. What kind of problems can be caused by having too high of a heart rate for extended periods of time? - cbeaks

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

ok, thanks Mr. The_Big_Fed. What kind of problems can be caused by having too high of a heart rate for extended periods of time? - cbeaks

well if it was for quite an extended period of time, and i personally was not able to make it go away....i'd see a doc. depends on what extended periods of time is also. maybe the doc luciasbrown can shed some light..........can't be good to have your heart racing and palpitating like that though, i felt like i was going to have a heart attack soon enough.

 

[DJ_UFO]

My problem is Arythmia...I haven't had one from about 1 year now...but at that time, in a period of 1 year i had several arythmias that worried me a lot. And i couldn't relate them to anything...cause i had them when i was active, stressed, quite, laughing, etc...whenever. it was like a palpitation but then my heart started to beat irregular...u know 2 times, then jump 1 beat, then beat 3, jump 2,...it was disgusting one of them was so strong that i felt like i was going to die...i started sweating cold, my leg muscles were very hard. That one lasted about 4 hours. I had a lot of exams and the doc said that it is a beningn type of Arythmia. It could be treated but the side effects of the drugs are worst than the benefits. Maybe it was caused by a stress situation, i dunno...now my doc wanna check my thyroid...what is that?..i mean i know what is the thyroid but how can the thyroid fails?...what happens if i have thyroid problems?.....

take care bros...anyway, i'm going to get those pinz in my ass..

 

[NJstacked]

I had to stop the t-3 4 weeks ago because of the same problem...my heart was actually hurting me...and the anxiety was through the roof....I only take 12.5mcg....not 100mcg.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I had to stop the t-3 4 weeks ago because of the same problem...my heart was actually hurting me...and the anxiety was through the roof....I only take 12.5mcg....not 100mcg.

i was kinda on 25-50mcg for a few months straight..........ended up not being a bright idea. everyone was concerned with shutting down thyroid, or eating up muscle.....shit this was way worse.

 

[posthuman]

I'm surprised noone mentioned about taking a beta-blocker like propanolol for the T3 induced palpitations.That's what they would give you if you OD'd on thyroids.

 

[BrothaBill]

It all depends on the mechanism behind the irregular heartbeat. Typically irregular heartbeats are generated in the atrium, which are the upper two chambers of the heart, there is a nonconductive layer of tissue between the upper chambers and the lower chambers called ventricles, in between is a failsafe gate that delays signals between the upper and lower heart preventing runawy ventricular beats. IN GENERAL ventricular irregularities are bad. Fortunately they are a small minority of what we see. For perspective every cell in the heart can generate a heart beat, that is why everyone will get palpitations every single day. Sometimes the atrium will just go berserk and just fires off signals, these signals are prevented from reaching the ventricles by the failsafe delay called the av node. That is the most common irregularity called atrial fibrillation. It feels like a bad drummer doing a solo in your chest. That can be caused by several factors, basically anything that irritates the cells of the heart, like alcohol, caffeine, ephedrine, excess thyroid, certain medications, structural abnormalities, or just because, which was my case and how Im in my profession, just read so much on it decided to go to school for it. The danger of irregular atrial rhythms is more a function of the result, if your heart is prevented from producing enough output because your heart is beating to fast to fill the chamber for every beat, low bp and cardiac output will result with symptoms accordingly, Also if you stay in irregular rhythm like atrial fibrillation, blood can coagulate in the atrium then shoot up to the brain and cause a stroke. But, thats worse case scenario and is unlikely because people typically go to the doctor if they have a rhythm that lasts a long time (over 48 Hrs).

This is meant as educational and should not be used in place of appropriate medical care, there are dozens of different heart rhythms caused by humdreds of different things and this is meant as a basic overview, I will address specific questions if you post, but in an educational environment. Later for now.

 

[BrothaBill]

I'm surprised noone mentioned about taking a beta-blocker like propanolol for the T3 induced palpitations.That's what they would give you if you OD'd on thyroids. [/QUOTE

Betablockers (cardiac drugs that end in -olol, i.e. propanolol, atenolol, metoprolol) are routinely given to people whose heart rate is too fast because of the arrythmia and other reasons, but if its a rhythm that comes infrequently then beta blockers arent usually warranted. Some of the side effects are malaise and inability to raise the heart rate during exercise, not worth trade off when its benign, intermittent rhythm unless you have high bp as well. Most people can break a fast rhythm by doing what is called a valsalva maneuver. Deep breath in, hold it, and then tighten bear down with your stomach muscles like your having a diificult bowel movement, (please note: do not actually have a bowel movement) this puts pressure on a nerve that acts like a brake pedal to the heart.

 

[cbeaks]

Do you know if pondimin increases heart rate also? I know it was pulled from the market because it caused heart problems but I didn't know what kind of heart problems it caused. - cbeaks

 

[BrothaBill]

From my understanding that it did not increase heart rate, but it was the phentermine that in the fen/phen combination. Since its been pulled I havent really seen that many patients with the disorder. It is responsible in very rare cases of primary pulmonary hypertension, basically the pressures are so high in the lungs that oxygen cannot be absorbed through the lung vascular system. It was also seen to cause valvular heart disease similar to carcinoid damage. What that means is that the valves get coated with this gunk and prevent it from closing, You can actually seen it under a microscope. When I see it with ultrasound the heart valves look like they are sort of wretched and sclerotic. The end result of this process is a leaky heart valve of varying degrees that may or may not necessitate treatment. As far as how common it is I've seen data all over the map, in fact I have a textbook that says the buiuldup occurs in up to a 1/3 of users. I find that very dubious at best because after doing a shitload of screenings for lawsuits it was very rare, but that is just the real world experience Ive had. BTW, alot of people have leaky valves it is quite common and are called heart murmurs, sometimes if theyre more than mild, they have to take antibiotics at the dentist b/c dental work puts bacteria in the blood stream and turbulence from the leak causes microabrasions where bacteria can attach to.

 

[Tomo]

I've had the same problem, I bought a heart monitor watch, and wear it constantly.results are this
rest--95bpm
ambient -sitting up and watching T.V. --no porn - 125bpm
exercise / and or porn 180 bpm
This is a constant over a week of testing.
I'm 5'10" 255
with a regimen similar to big fed minus the t3

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I've had the same problem, I bought a heart monitor watch, and wear it constantly.results are this
rest--95bpm
ambient -sitting up and watching T.V. --no porn - 125bpm
exercise / and or porn 180 bpm
This is a constant over a week of testing.
I'm 5'10" 255
with a regimen similar to big fed minus the t3

i like the qualifiers of "porn" and "no porn". that ends up being important info in this case. i'll be minus that damn T3 in a few weeks myself bro.

 

[cbeaks]

I've had the same problem, I bought a heart monitor watch, and wear it constantly.results are this
rest--95bpm
ambient -sitting up and watching T.V. --no porn - 125bpm
exercise / and or porn 180 bpm
This is a constant over a week of testing.
I'm 5'10" 255
with a regimen similar to big fed minus the t3

that's a pretty high heart rate you have there. When I get on the elliptical machine in the morning for cardio my heart rate is at about 105 after just a minute. However I have to work my ass off to get my heart rate up to 150 and that usually takes 30 minutes. I have thought about buying one of those heart monitor watches like the one you got for the same reason. I am going to go off cycle for a long time after my contest but now I am considering throwing in 12.5-25mg of t3/day for the last 3 weeks before my show and possibly some pondimin to reduce my appetite. I don't think being on this for 3 weeks will be too harmful. Any thoughts? - cbeaks

 

[BrothaBill]

Heart rates are very individual, some peoples are high naturally, why? I dont know, its usually a measure of their conditioning, but not always. I had a friend in school that everytime he stood up, his heart rate went over 100 and freaked him out. I talked to pacemaker specialist about that and he said that your heart goes over 100 beats/min 100 times a day. My experience with people is that some times it kicks up fast at first then slowly goes faster. A true measure of cardiac fitness is how fast your heart recovers after you stop exerciing.
Im not a big fan of pondimin, because on a few occassions Ive seen the heart valves damaged by it. But that was after around 6 months use and was a rare finding. I just dont want to win that lottery. Mayo clinic found that individuals who took fen/phen had leaky aortic valves in 1/3 of the individuals. What does that mean and how many had a leaky aortic valves before. Who knows!

 

[BigManStan]

for the blood pressure go to your local GNC and buy some garlic pills and down them like no tomorrow. One of the B vitamins helps to but I have done fine with shitloads of garlic back when I was doing to much juice.

 

[georgie24]

for the blood pressure go to your local GNC and buy some garlic pills and down them like no tomorrow. One of the B vitamins helps to but I have done fine with shitloads of garlic back when I was doing to much juice.

can anyone back this statement?