HDL Cholesterol...HELP!!!

[Heffe]

I recently got my cholestrol panel done by my doctor and my HDL was (alarmingly) 9!!!! My HDL/LDL ratio was in the neighborhood of 20:1. Before I fall over dead, does anyone have any good ideas for increasing HDL? I have heard of Niacin therapy. Anything else? And, what doses for Niacin? My doctor says I could stop gassing, but I would rather avoid that.

I normally do about 1,000 to 1,600/wk of tes and 600/wk of deca for 12 week cycles. I also mix in Fina (60-80/day), A-50 (100/day), or d-bol (25-50/day) on occasion for 5-8 weeks at a time.

 

[40butpumpin]

Take a look at my last post on this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=190976

From the thread:

"Garlic: JAMA's 9/18/02 issue reported results of a study in which it found that "garlic extract was 2.5 times more effective in inhibiting plaque formation than was HDL-cholesterol." I re-quoted this from LEF's 12/02 issue of their magazine which is not yet on their web-site. As a result of this information Kyolic has come out with a 1000mg "one per day" garlic pill. According to LEF, 1000mg per 1.1 pounds of food eaten per day is recommended."

 

[whodaman]

It's actually quite a common problem with steroid users....I just had mine checked and my level was at 3...My doctor basically told me the I was a heart attack waiting to happen...I waited about three and a ahalf weeks since my last test and just had them tested today...so I'll see how it turns out. 40andpumpin gave you some great advice...I was also told to drink a c ouple glasses of of red wine every night, niacin, red yeast rice is also supposed to be great, eat plenty of fresh fish, red foods like red kidney beans, apples etc are known to help....lots of veggies. I'm still doing some research, so I'll update you as I find out more. From what I've been told, Deca, winstrol, arimidex are a few compounds that are known to kill your hdl levels...I'm sure there are more. I've been told that clomid and nolvadex can actually help. I'm pretty worried about this shit...but I can tell you what if everyone on the board had thier blood work done like they should, I'm guessing 90% of the people will have the same problem post cycle. I would stay off the goodies for a little while and have them rechecked. Good luck bro! Whoda

 

[thx9000]

Funny thing. Well sorta. I am on EQ/Enan now and my HDL has gone from 66 down to 44 in 9 weeks. When I did my 1-AD cycle last year it had gone from 72 down to 11.

Got back to 60+ four weeks after stopping the 1-AD though, kinda interested to see what happens after stopping the EQ/Enan hopefully I rebound quickly again.

 

[40butpumpin]

Whodaman, check out this product. The ingredients are on the bottom of the page. I'm using it now.

http://www.longevityplus.net/essential_daily.html

 

[Realgains]

I recently got my cholestrol panel done by my doctor and my HDL was (alarmingly) 9!!!! My HDL/LDL ratio was in the neighborhood of 20:1. Before I fall over dead, does anyone have any good ideas for increasing HDL? I have heard of Niacin therapy. Anything else? And, what doses for Niacin? My doctor says I could stop gassing, but I would rather avoid that.

I normally do about 1,000 to 1,600/wk of tes and 600/wk of deca for 12 week cycles. I also mix in Fina (60-80/day), A-50 (100/day), or d-bol (25-50/day) on occasion for 5-8 weeks at a time.

I feel for ya bro as I( and everyone else that does gear) has a very shitty lipid profile while "on". In fact I am certain that this is the #1 worst side of AAS use.

Bill lewellyn say Nolva helps his hdl to total cholesterol ratio but it didn't do shit for mine while on test/tren.

I think the more androgenic roids and obviously the 17aa ones are worse.

I would strongly advise you to do only moderate doses of mildly androgenic roid that aromatize(estrogen seems to help)like EQ at 400-600/week or maybe some nandrolone. Test at low dose seems to be not that bad. No orals at all. This was Bill Llewellyn's reply to an e-mail on the subject.

Alternatively, you could try high dose two week "on" four weeks or more"off' cycles with powerful fast acting gear and front loaded injectables. See my posts on two week cycles. In this way ones lipid profile ahouldn't be affected as much and even it it is one is only "on" for 14 days at a time.(trust me two weekers properly done do work fairly well)

2 week example
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100 per day for 11 days. Tren 150 on day one and then 75 per day through day 12. Clomid on day 15.
OR
Test as above and d-bol through day 14 in five divided doses at 50mg/day.
OR
Tren as above and d-bol through day 14.
OR even tren/winstrol.

There are those that will say that we shouldn't worry about the lipid profile as it will return to normal post cycle. This may be true BUT cardiovascualr disease just doesn't happen out of the blue...it's a slow build up of plague over many years and some even think it starts in childhood. True, a shitty lipid profile is not the only risk factor but it certainly is a very strong risk factor and if one is "on" roids for 6 months out of the year for a period of years it has to do some damage.

Niacin has been shown to increae hdl more than any drug although drugs like lipidor decrease ldl more. Doses of niacin need to be high and at at least 1500mg per day and some cardiologists have their pt's on 3 grams or more per day. There is some liver stress with niacin use so never take the old fashioned time released niacins as these are very bad. Also have your liver enzymes followed by your doc when on niacin. Niacin isn't as hard on the liver as 17aa roids but it has been shown to has some impact.
Many think that the no flush niacin is just as good and has zero impact on the liver. Thats what I am on now at about 1800mg per day.
The flush form regular niacin is quite bad bro so start small and work up.

RG