Hcgenerate, how do I know its working?

[rage22]

Mid cycle blood work. Im on Hcgenerate 5 caps everyday throughout entire cycle.


Blood work came back and LH and FSH are 0... whats the deal here, I thought hcgenerate was supposed to stimulate these hormones?

Don't get me wrong. I 100% believe it does something for me. Especially when I take enough of it my balls will actually ache... But whats the deal with it not showing up on a blood test?

Thanks

 

[25homes]

Bump also interested

 

[RickRock13]

Are you getting a lot of testicular atrophy (shrinkage) on cycle also, or are they still relatively full?

What cycle are you running?

Do you have precycle bloodwork to show where your LH and FSH was before the cycle?

 

[raze]

What cycle are you running?

 

[Sherk]

Bump. Any one want to share? I will be getting my blood work back this coming Friday. I'm curious to see where mine are at.


When we do right nobody remembers, when we do wrong nobody forgets. H.A.M.C

 

[stevesmi]

you tell us what is going on.

you need to give more info.. mid cycle and your LH is at 0 already? this in itself is not normal hcgenerate or not. you probably went into cycle shutdown already.

what are you running right now and for how long? when was your last cycle and how long did u give before you started this cycle? be honest. too many guys run 15 week cycles, come off 3 weeks.. go back on 15 weeks.. come of 3 weeks.. and think that is cycling. really you are just on one really really long cycle. cannot expect hcgenerate to be a miracle worker when you don't let your body recover

i'm gonna come out and say that you have been on small dosages of juice for a while now based on studying bloods of hundreds of guys. i would even venture to say your receptors are very saturated at this point and you aren't getting much of a kick from whatever you are running. hell when I am on cycle several of my lipids come in off, for you everything is normal except your creatinine which could just be from being de-hydrated or having taken creatine in the past few months. tells me that your juice is doing nothing for you in a bodybuilding sense, almost as if you are on a low TRT dose of test or something. hell if not for your LH and FSH i would of guessed you weren't even on anything

so if this is the case i recommend coming off for 6 months or more, letting things clear out and get your LH back humming again.

 

[rage22]

ok...

Here is my cycle http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/help-set-up-test-c-cycle-log-925743.html

Im on 500mg ew Test cyp/ 400mg ew Masteron (I just added it 2 weeks ago). Im in the middle of week 8 right now and have done 15 injections total. I had a pretty nice gain in weight this cycle. Nothing insane though. Went from 178 to 192ish now. Who know what Ill keep.

My cycle prior to this was a helladrol cycle which is here Helladrol Cycle, hows it look? I ran a proper pct and waited. I ran it 3/26/2012 - 4/23/2012. Did PCT for 4 weeks but had included MK-2866 so I took pct 2 weeks past the day I ended MK-2866 (6 weeks total). So pct ended on 5/6/2012.. I waited until 6/7/2012 to start this cycle. I realize I probably should have waited an extra month maybe? My Test was 350 range (which is low but unfortunately is my normal), Estradiol 18.2, LH 4.9, FSH 4.4.. This cycle I had NO shrinkage at all.

Other then that I did a small RS Transaderm cycle for 4 weeks also with the same pct as above about 7-8 months ago.

Are you getting a lot of testicular atrophy (shrinkage) on cycle also, or are they still relatively full? Relatively full, but have def shrank a good bit. Libido has also seemed to drop significantly over the past week.

What cycle are you running? See above

Do you have precycle bloodwork to show where your LH and FSH was before the cycle? All above...

So with all that said. Being on Hcgenerate the entire cycle (this and last btw), how do I know it is working and by my blood test what would you recommend I do? Start real HCG @ 250 IUs 2x EW (say monday and Thursday)? I want to go into pct as smoothly as possible and keep my gains.

Thanks

Ps... I do think that the test Im on is under dosed.. 956 seems low for being on cycle. I have read study of guys using test cyp (phama grade of course) that are doing 300mg and in the 1800 range. That study is in my log of this cycle above on like page 2 or 3.

 

[madbro]

Why would you take HCG? from ntbm text that I read its supposedly suppresses your HPTA even further.. All it does is stimulating the leyding cells and your brain senses that it has already an external stimulator for the testes so it stops producing LH. When I read that I started to believe in natural ways for PCT.

 

[NattyRipped]

Why would you take HCG? from ntbm text that I read its supposedly suppresses your HPTA even further.. All it does is stimulating the leyding cells and your brain senses that it has already an external stimulator for the testes so it stops producing LH. When I read that I started to believe in natural ways for PCT.

What natural ways for pct?

 

[rage22]

There's a debate I keep finding between running hcg on cycle and not. One side says hey run it because having your balls kicking when going into pct is much more beneficial then having them not used to working. Less down time I suppose. And why I want to run it, as well as pretty much everyone else who does. Also I keep coming across the fact that LH and fsh are at zero or severely surpressed is what causes that mid cycle libido "crash" if you will. Not that it's gone, just that you tend to feel less like "I need it now". This is the feeling I would love to have always ( wouldn't we all haha). So by starting hcg mid cycle or from week 1 at 250iu 2 xs ew this should keep your boys running and your sex drive strong.

On the otherwise of the argument, I see people saying why run hcg? Your brain senses high levels of androgens so it's naturally going to put the boys to sleep. Once it senses low levels they'll come back. Well I can pretty much tell you with 100% confidence that it can take a while for you nuts to resurrect from the dead. And during that time, life sucks. So the point is to make the jump from not making any test on your own to making your own test again and the shorter time it takes the better, the more gains your keep and the more sex you'll have.

Also as far as hcg suppressing your hpta even further, I have read that if used in excess and for prolonged periods of time yes it can cause desentulizatin to LH in the leydig cells.

So to run it or not?

Hopefully someone with experiance can give a definitive answer.

Thanks.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ run hcgenerate weeks 5 till end of cycle.. then use hcg and HMG to kickstart your PCT.

run an AI and/or anti-prolactin if it applies during cycle.


i've done this every cycle and i have recovered. i cycle 2-3X per year and i am still going strong.. some guys are on TRT and will give you advice, if their expertise is so good then why are they on TRT to begin with? hmmmm.... i've seen a lot of TRT guys on other sites especially give the old nolva/clomid pct advice, yet in another thread they say they have been on test for 9 straight months.. see the connection?
you gonna drive yourself nuts running bloods during cycle and trying to analyze every little thing and your doctor is gonna think you are fucked up if he sees it cause they don't know shit about steroids.

 

[rage22]

^^^ run hcgenerate weeks 5 till end of cycle.. then use hcg and HMG to kickstart your PCT. at what dosage and time frame, and length of time?

run an AI and/or anti-prolactin if it applies during cycle. don't hate, but is it ok/ possible to run a anti-prolactin such as for the hell of it? Only reason I ask is because I've read that some run this just to keep it up and up for a long time, enough that you can basically just keep going... On cycle or off. I don't really know much about it so I'd figure I'd ask.


i've done this every cycle and i have recovered. i cycle 2-3X per year and i am still going strong.. some guys are on TRT and will give you advice, if their expertise is so good then why are they on TRT to begin with? hmmmm.... i've seen a lot of TRT guys on other sites especially give the old nolva/clomid pct advice, yet in another thread they say they have been on test for 9 straight months.. see the connection?
you gonna drive yourself nuts running bloods during cycle and trying to analyze every little thing and your doctor is gonna think you are fucked up if he sees it cause they don't know shit about steroids. That's why I go thro private md. Also I wanted to make sure my gear was legit. I'm finding that it seems not to be. Under dosed.

Thanks again

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ run HCGenerate weeks 5 till end of cycle.. then use hcg and HMG to kickstart your PCT. at what dosage and time frame, and length of time?

around week 5 until end of cycle. 2 caps 2-3X per day


run an AI and/or anti-prolactin if it applies during cycle. don't hate, but is it ok/ possible to run a anti-prolactin such as for the hell of it? Only reason I ask is because I've read that some run this just to keep it up and up for a long time, enough that you can basically just keep going... On cycle or off. I don't really know much about it so I'd figure I'd ask.

males don't need prolactin its true. but i wouldn't recommend running drugs to combat prolactin unless it was necessary.. drugs are drugs and have side effects.



i've done this every cycle and i have recovered. i cycle 2-3X per year and i am still going strong.. some guys are on TRT and will give you advice, if their expertise is so good then why are they on TRT to begin with? hmmmm.... i've seen a lot of TRT guys on other sites especially give the old nolva/clomid PCT advice, yet in another thread they say they have been on test for 9 straight months.. see the connection?
you gonna drive yourself nuts running bloods during cycle and trying to analyze every little thing and your doctor is gonna think you are fucked up if he sees it cause they don't know shit about steroids. That's why I go thro private md. Also I wanted to make sure my gear was legit. I'm finding that it seems not to be. Under dosed.

a lot of test out there is underdosed, thats why i tell guys go with pharm grade and pay extra for quality.

 

[rage22]

Thanks for the reply, But I was wondering about the HCG dosage you run to "kick start" pct?

Time frame and length of time, like
1.) right after last pin for 2 weeks 2x ew until the day of start of pct?
2.) Last 4 weeks of cycle then rest for 2 weeks, then start pct?
3.) Last 2 weeks of cycle and the 2 weeks leading up to start of pct?

All questions above about HMG as well.


And I'm pretty much going with pharm grade everything after this. Id rather know what Im getting and get what Im paying for then guess work.


Thanks!

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ depends on the cycle.

a normal 12 week cycle i would do something like 1000iu's hcg every 3-4 days for 3 weeks as a kickstart. and throw in 1-2 shots of HMG.

 

[rage22]

How about 16weeks? Im assuming similar?