Hcg

[nydj66]

Are you saying that if you ran a 15 week cycle and hit lets says 250iu HC.G from 1-15 that only something like clomid or dermacrine would be needed for PCT - post cycle therapy - as opposed to the standard 500-1000iu E3Dx3week PC.T?

If you've taken H-C-G throughout and you're waiting for long esters to clear you body post-cycle, then I would continue the low dose H-C-G for those 2-3 weeks, then start your clomid or other P-C-T.

You only need higher dosages if your testes have atrophied significantly so that they won't respond to a 250-500IU dose.

 

[Varga]

A while back I tried HRT for about 6 months. During that time I ran 100mg test testosterone cypionate every week with 250iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - shots on day 5 & 6. I actually had blood tests done after each HCG shot just to see how much effect it was having and total test was around 1000ng/dl on both days. To me this proved that 250iu of HCG seemed like a perfect dose of lh - leutenizing hormone - - leutenizing hormone - to emulate what you would normally be getting from your pituitary. I believe desensitization at these doses are extremely unlikely. Hell, I even ran HCG @ 5000iu x 3 per week for 4 weeks once and experienced no LH desensitization (LH & Total Test were unchanged as confirmed by a blood test).

Hmmm, I wander why I needed it to use more towards the end then...good info Black

 

[mike4266]

why week 10?

if you are going to run it do it throughout the cycle (250iu every 5 days will suffice) until PCT - post cycle therapy - then run clomid. otherwise do it all during PCT.

Edit the post no sources.

How many times have you ran HCG throughout the cycle? What is the longest amount of time? I've beem considering doing it for a while but am paranoid about shutting down my own test production.

 

[enacer420nj]

I know I should probably run 250iu/wk HC.G as a maintenance throughout cycle right into PC.T but my issue is I wanna make sure I dont have gyno or nipple issues. I am estrogen sensative is the aromasin going to be enough? as I said before I was only running AIFM with 250testE 600EQ and when i started the HC.G at 1,000iu mon,wed,fri I had to hit letro.

 

[spankymach1]

i read a study and said that 250ius EOD is perfect to run throughout a cycle and then up the dose at the end before p.c.t. is started.

thats what i am planning on doing at least.

 

[jstarr37]

hcg sucks. every time i do a shot (1000IU) i immedeatly gain 5lbs of water. proviron and novaldex dont help. i dont even get that kind of bloat when i ren 750mg sustanon a week for 8 wks!!

 

[eddymerckx]

If you've taken H-C-G throughout and you're waiting for long esters to clear you body post-cycle, then I would continue the low dose H-C-G for those 2-3 weeks, then start your clomid or other P-C-T.

You only need higher dosages if your testes have atrophied significantly so that they won't respond to a 250-500IU dose.

agree--a reprod endo said 1200-1500 is to restart where there is a shutdown due to any number of reasons including genetic hypogonadism (although the shots are often).

there is danger using high doses for a long period of time on nuts that are not shut-down (chance of desensitizing--not good)

Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, doi:10.1210/jc.2004-0802

Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression


In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men. However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally, we determined the dose-response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ) and ITT to ascertain the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range. Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate weekly in combination with either saline placebo or 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 wk. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and at the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/liter) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/liter). lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 to 72 nmol/liter) in the T enanthate/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001). Posttreatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/90/5/2595

 

[Varga]

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - sucks. every time i do a shot (1000IU) i immedeatly gain 5lbs of water. proviron and novaldex dont help. i dont even get that kind of bloat when i ren 750mg sustanon a week for 8 wks!!

Praviron and nolva are not what you take to control estro, try adex or aromasin

H C G increase you test levels up to 400% depending on dosage, so if you take a lot use a estro control

and H C G does not suck.....it sucks if you don't know how to use it but it is the most useful drug in BB , IMO