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hcg while ON cycle.... huck? Macro? Ulter? Fonz?

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A friend is going on a 7-8 month cycle. Using test as a baseline, and cycling one other compound of winstrol, tren, eq for several months each.

question is... he is scared of the "boys" shrinking a little. While hcg won't keep the HTPA up during cycle or allow you to skip post cycle recovery... is there ANY benefit to using it during the cycle. Just for the plump and full look to the testicles?
 
Yep,and that's what a lot of year round cyclers use it for.Hitting it once every 6-8 weeks for 1 week intervals will help keep testicular volume up,BUT-This can also desensitize the testes response to L/H if overdone,which in turn can make recovery a bitch when you finally come off,so tell him to use it sparingly,and only if he's experiencing severe atrophy.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
Yep,and that's what a lot of year round cyclers use it for.Hitting it once every 6-8 weeks for 1 week intervals will help keep testicular volume up,BUT-This can also desensitize the testes response to L/H if overdone,which in turn can make recovery a bitch when you finally come off,so tell him to use it sparingly,and only if he's experiencing severe atrophy.
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Ok... would clomid be better to use for the full look and feeling? or any natural supplements?
 
Second question - if one does use hcg during cycle... should nolva or arimidex be incorporated as well to handle the estrogen spike during the times of administrating hcg?

(assuming that you were refering to 1cc ED during the week you take it)
 
I always start Nolvadex a couple of days before my HCG injection and continue until 4 days past the last injection (last spike HCG will deliver is up to 96 hrs after injection)

I did it every 5-6 weeks at about 2-3000 IU's one shot. I have never tried the 1cc/ed but will do it next time.

Question:
Does the 1cc/Ed give better results because it provides contnuous small shocks to the testes and therefore preventing huge spikes/hormone fluctuation?

Thanks
 
AAP said:



Ok... would clomid be better to use for the full look and feeling? or any natural supplements?
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Yes,clomid can be helpful at keeping up testicular volume,although not as potent as HCG.A lot of folks run it at 50mgs/EOD from the onset of the cycle and all the way through for that purpose.
 
Dr. JK said:

Question:
Does the 1cc/Ed give better results because it provides contnuous small shocks to the testes and therefore preventing huge spikes/hormone fluctuation?

Thanks
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Yes,more frequent,smaller i.u. volumes provides more steady LH-like action,and less surges of estrogen,and a less dramatic drop in endogenous T levels following clearance.
 
AAP said:
Second question - if one does use hcg during cycle... should nolva or arimidex be incorporated as well to handle the estrogen spike during the times of administrating hcg?

(assuming that you were refering to 1cc ED during the week you take it)
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Not arimidex,but nolvadex.Arimidex won't help for estrogen that is already created,it just blocks aromitase from altering androgen structure into estrogen.Nolvadex will block off the E receptors,and since it's being introduced already created,that is what you need.10-20mgs/day enveloped around HCG admin is a wise idea.
 
ulter said:
It's no fun when Huck gets to answer everything, so I am going to put my hand down.
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When Huck talks I listen. I learned something in this thread. I never knew clomid could be used during the cycle at small dosages to maintain testicular size. I thought HCG was the only solution to combat atrophy. HCG does causes an initial spike in T-levels but as Huck stated it best to use sparingly every 6-8 weeks at small dosages (i.e. 1500iu's ed for two or three days in a row), otherwise you run the risk of desensitizing the testis response to L/H. This will only prolong his recovery. Recovery for him is going to be a long, drawn out process to begin with given the duration of his cycle. HCG, if overdone, can and will complicate matters for post cycle HPTA recovery.
 
I have been having great success with just 250IU per day.. makes them actually feel very normal despite length of cycle....

I would be suprised if this low dose could cause problems even if extended over a period of a month or more....
 
"I never knew clomid could be used during the cycle at small dosages to maintain testicular size. I thought HCG was the only solution to combat atrophy."

I don't agree with that. Clomid can be used to maintain good, no great function of the testes, but not increase size like hcg during a cycle.

There are two ways to use HCG and I don't think one is any better than the other having used them both many times and talking to others. You blast your testes with it every 6-8 weeks or use tiny amounts EOD or E3D. Either way it's not going to make more than a weeks difference in your recovery.
 
Surely keeping those cells alive and 'sticky' is what it is all about...

ya get me?
 
hmmm, I wasn't aware of clomid helping with size either. Huck and Ulter can ya'll elaberate a bit on why you think what you do??

JLAW
 
JLAWz said:
Macro, i've never tried it. What are the benefits of running clomid throughout the cycle?
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varies but can maintain testis, may help maintain LH.

also may maintain better cholest levels and for some people can be beneficial to mood (this varies a lot)
 
Well, I ran my last cycle with clomid 50mg/EOD and unlike cycles before, I didn't loose any size that I noticed. A bonus: porn star quality ejaculations! :dance2:
 
Macro nailed it,and Ulter did as well.It varies from individual to individual.Some swear by it,others save it for post-cycle(like myself,lol).Best to test it out and see which side of the fence you fall on.
 
personally I prefer using hcg at 1-2x per week, 500iu each time, all the way through the cycle. That way there isnt enough to get a big estrogen rebound, so the extra anti-es arent really necessary, and the testes never really get a chance to atrophy as you are hitting them with a small amount every week.
My last cycle I did it that way, and after 4 months of using over 2 grams a week of gear, I got my wife pregnant, so something was working(dont know if AAPs friend is worried about that though....jk bro)
 
Ok... second scenario... what if someone is on cycle and already experiencing shrinkage... does hcg or clomid reverse the effects even though the cycle is still continuing?

He said he is very against clomid because that is the ONLY thing that ever broke him out in acne.
 
I may have to start reading these HCG posts now that i'm seriously considering a 16-week cycle myself. I've only used it once in the past and i'm sure I did everything wrong.
 
What do you guys think about using 500 IU Saturday and Sunday for the duration of the time I am on?

I am planning on running 250mg of Test Enanthate and 500mg of Equipoise for 10 or 20 weeks, I haven't decided yet.

Also, I only have 9 weeks off from my last cycle and I was shut down heavily and only came off using Nolvadex, my boys dropped but were not full.

I'm thinking the 500 IU sat and sun will help me from getting too severely shutdown, thoughts?
 
atutt2 said:
Well, I ran my last cycle with clomid 50mg/EOD and unlike cycles before, I didn't loose any size that I noticed. A bonus: porn star quality ejaculations! :dance2:
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So, you ran the clomid at 50mg eod throughout your cycle? What did your post cycle regimen look like?
 
needsize said:
personally I prefer using hcg at 1-2x per week, 500iu each time, all the way through the cycle. That way there isnt enough to get a big estrogen rebound, so the extra anti-es arent really necessary, and the testes never really get a chance to atrophy as you are hitting them with a small amount every week.
My last cycle I did it that way, and after 4 months of using over 2 grams a week of gear, I got my wife pregnant, so something was working(dont know if AAPs friend is worried about that though....jk bro)
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Is this wise, the pregnancy thing? I would appreciate some info on this if you have it, my wife has the childbearing bug, but I dont want to be shooting some mutant sperm or the like. If you have some good info on this, please shoot me an email or pm.

Thanks.
 
JuicePimp said:


Is this wise, the pregnancy thing? I would appreciate some info on this if you have it, my wife has the childbearing bug, but I dont want to be shooting some mutant sperm or the like. If you have some good info on this, please shoot me an email or pm.

Thanks.
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there are a ton of guys on this board that have conceived while "on", and no mutants reported. For that to happen the sperm would have to be affected on a genetic level, and steroids just cant do that
 
I just picked up some Gonakor HCG? What is the deal with this shit? Comes in with 10mls of water and its only 250iu a ml? And you need to use all 10mls of water to get the wafers to dissolve. Im suppose to be using 2500ius eod for a week, but shooting 10mls of water eod doesnt sound to good! I just shot 3mls and it left a lump on my stomach. I wish profassi was still made...............galaxy
 
galaxy said:


So, you ran the clomid at 50mg eod throughout your cycle? What did your post cycle regimen look like?
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Galaxy, I did this on a tren/prop/winnny cycle. Also threw in 20mg ED nolva because I'm gyno prone. My PCT was typical of most, 1st day 300mg clomid, followed by 100mg 1week then 50mg the next week. Also did 20mg Nolva throughout that time and threw in some Bromocriptine due to high prolactin levels. I didn't use HCG at all. It took me exactly 3 weeks from my last shot to "feel" like my normal self again...aka test levels back. Also, I only lost 4 lbs during this time.
 
galaxy said:
I just picked up some Gonakor HCG? What is the deal with this shit? Comes in with 10mls of water and its only 250iu a ml? And you need to use all 10mls of water to get the wafers to dissolve. Im suppose to be using 2500ius eod for a week, but shooting 10mls of water eod doesnt sound to good! I just shot 3mls and it left a lump on my stomach. I wish profassi was still made...............galaxy
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actually.... I saw profasi just the other week. Dude at the gym had it.
 
Paulos said:
What do you guys think about using 500 IU Saturday and Sunday for the duration of the time I am on?

I am planning on running 250mg of Test Enanthate and 500mg of Equipoise for 10 or 20 weeks, I haven't decided yet.

Also, I only have 9 weeks off from my last cycle and I was shut down heavily and only came off using Nolvadex, my boys dropped but were not full.

I'm thinking the 500 IU sat and sun will help me from getting too severely shutdown, thoughts?
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Even 500IU/wk may do the job. I used 300IU every 5 days or so throughout.

On the use of clomid, I am not sure that I would agree that it would be effective. Unless clomid actually mimics LH like HCG then I don't think it would have much effect.

Taking Clomid makes the hypothalamus think that estrogen levels are lower than they really are, so hypothalamus signals the pituatary to secrete more LH. But the hypothalumas also has a feedback loop for androgens. If the androgen level is too high, then LH will be shut down. Making your body think there is less estrogen at this point will not cause LH to rise.

HCG on the other hand mimicks LH. So it doesn't matter what the androgen or estrogen levels are.
 
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