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anthony518
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wondering about using hcg at 250mcg three times a week during a eq600/750sust cycle 14 weeks long? if so what would i do for pct? stop the hcg when? stop nolva when?
hcg start or during
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anthony518
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also was going to take clomid. what kind of pct would you guys run for this cycle?
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lartinos
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Taking the hcg during like you said is your best bet. Even when HCG is taken at the end of the cycle it is not a post cycle drug because it is only (by most I know) during your cycle before the last ester clears because hcg itself is suppressive to your natural testosterone production. Take your clomid or nolvadex as you normally would. Keeping nolva on hand for gyno brought on by the nolva isn't a bad idea either man.
anthony518
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does this hold any truth? Solid pct?
For a long cycle of 12 weeks or more your post cycle recovery plan should first start out with HCG. Your HCG therapy should begin during the last week of your cycle before you come off. Also, needless to say during this time you should be using an anti-estrogen to combat estrogenic side effects. HCG should be administered in four shots starting the last week of your cycle continued on to the two weeks following.
So your post cycle HCG should look like this: 3000 IU on day one, another 3000 IU 5 days later, 1500 IU 5 days later, and following up with another 1500 IU 5-7 days after that, equaling out to three weeks total.
After finishing the HCG therapy Clomid should be administered along with the anti-estrogen for two to three weeks after the HCG making your post cycle therapy a total of four to five weeks. For the Clomid therapy I believe that 100mg ED for the two to three weeks should be sufficient, although if you want you could use one of the protocols listed in the moderate length cycle section.
For a long cycle of 12 weeks or more your post cycle recovery plan should first start out with HCG. Your HCG therapy should begin during the last week of your cycle before you come off. Also, needless to say during this time you should be using an anti-estrogen to combat estrogenic side effects. HCG should be administered in four shots starting the last week of your cycle continued on to the two weeks following.
So your post cycle HCG should look like this: 3000 IU on day one, another 3000 IU 5 days later, 1500 IU 5 days later, and following up with another 1500 IU 5-7 days after that, equaling out to three weeks total.
After finishing the HCG therapy Clomid should be administered along with the anti-estrogen for two to three weeks after the HCG making your post cycle therapy a total of four to five weeks. For the Clomid therapy I believe that 100mg ED for the two to three weeks should be sufficient, although if you want you could use one of the protocols listed in the moderate length cycle section.
blut wump
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Start you clomid at the usual time and run the HCG to end a few days before you start the clomid. If you're running it throughout you cycle then there'll be little need for an aggressive HCG finish to your cycle. I wouldn't stick 3000 iu in one go unless you need to be particularly aggressive with it.
My own preference is 1000 iu EOD for 10 days or 500 iu ED for ten days. It's never let me down. If you run it throughout the cycle then two 250 iu shots per week should suffice.
My own preference is 1000 iu EOD for 10 days or 500 iu ED for ten days. It's never let me down. If you run it throughout the cycle then two 250 iu shots per week should suffice.
anthony518
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i am going to run it like this. Last ten days untill pct. I am going to take nolva with the hcg, then nolva clomid, 100mg clomid and 40mg nolva for 4 weeks good pct?
anthony518
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lartinos
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3000iu's seems like a waste and would not ever use it that way. That regimen should work for you bro (1000 iu's EOD), i just prefer to not have to bring my testes back to life at the end of a cycle and prefer to keep them running normally throughout.
there are two theories with HCG:
1) run a little bit everyweek (500 ius or so) then near last shot stop using it, wait for half lives of Drugs to clear, then use Clomid, and AI for about 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.
2) Hcg not needed during cycle, then after last shot take Hcg at 1000 ius e3d for 4-5 shots (run with AI wit it)
then commence wit Clomid and AI for the next 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.
both camps have solid reasoning behind it.
1) run a little bit everyweek (500 ius or so) then near last shot stop using it, wait for half lives of Drugs to clear, then use Clomid, and AI for about 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.
2) Hcg not needed during cycle, then after last shot take Hcg at 1000 ius e3d for 4-5 shots (run with AI wit it)
then commence wit Clomid and AI for the next 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.
both camps have solid reasoning behind it.
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blut wump
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Your number two method needs to be varied according to the half-lives of the compounds used. If running short esters then it would be a mistake to begin th HCG after the last shot. The idea is that your end-of-cycle HCG usage stops a few days prior to commencing actual PCT, ie starting the clomid, since the HCG is suppressive. The HCG usage is predicated on when you'd commence your actual PCT rather than the other way around.
My personal preference is to take 1000 iu EOD for 10 days. 500 iu ED for 10 days is probably just as good.
My personal preference is to take 1000 iu EOD for 10 days. 500 iu ED for 10 days is probably just as good.
Here is my HCG gameplan for the 16 week cycle I will start next week. ( 500mg TestE 250mg Boldemix + TBol kicker, Var ender)
250iu for 7 days once each month to prevent wasting.
500iu for 14 days starting 1 week following last shot along with 20mg Nolva ( so the HCG doesent cause any gyno ).
Then Clomid 50mg 20 days.
Also stopping finisteride during PCT.
Ive never used HCG before, hope it gets me working again quicker.
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250iu for 7 days once each month to prevent wasting.
500iu for 14 days starting 1 week following last shot along with 20mg Nolva ( so the HCG doesent cause any gyno ).
Then Clomid 50mg 20 days.
Also stopping finisteride during PCT.
Ive never used HCG before, hope it gets me working again quicker.
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needtogetaas
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dermacrin will get you working again bro...its better then clomid and it dont cause gyno ether.KD1 said:
needtogetaas
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well keep me posted on it bro.good or bad I love to here it.KD1 said:
perryscoon
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needtogetas said:well keep me posted on it bro.good or bad I love to here it.
HCG is only needed for cycles 12 weeks or more, correct?
needtogetaas
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what he said.....srf173 said:
