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HCG Protocal during cycle?
- Thread starter JimBoy
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JimBoy said:
I now believe that 250iu E4D is ideal for an on cycle protocol. (Mon, Thurs, Sunday, ect)
You will get no desensitizaton with this, and very little estrogen formation.
-Pp
AhMadKooL
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HCG is taken to prevent Testicular atrophy and with that natural test production. It's taken during cycles just to increase testicular size; While in PCT it's taken for both of the above benefits. As PP said You have to be careful not to overdo it since using too much HCG can cause desensatisation in the leydig cells
centy
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I know that many people run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on cycle, and this has been discussed ad-nauseum, but I want to beat the horse once more. 
Doesn't it make more sense (aesthetic reasons aside) to run HCG during PCT - post cycle therapy ?
On cycle, I am not worried too much if my giggleberries shrink. (In fact, that may even help surrounding real estate look relatively larger.) It makes sense to me that you don't need your nuts making any natural test on cycle because you're giving your body plenty from an external source.
Reading Anabolics 2007 (Llewellyn) he makes the point that it makes more sense to use HCG in PCT to stimulate testosterone production as it will be very low at that point in time as a result of the external test supplementation.
Doesn't it make more sense (aesthetic reasons aside) to run HCG during PCT - post cycle therapy ?
On cycle, I am not worried too much if my giggleberries shrink. (In fact, that may even help surrounding real estate look relatively larger.) It makes sense to me that you don't need your nuts making any natural test on cycle because you're giving your body plenty from an external source.
Reading Anabolics 2007 (Llewellyn) he makes the point that it makes more sense to use HCG in PCT to stimulate testosterone production as it will be very low at that point in time as a result of the external test supplementation.
centy said:I know that many people run HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on cycle, and this has been discussed ad-nauseum, but I want to beat the horse once more.
Doesn't it make more sense (aesthetic reasons aside) to run HCG during PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy ?
On cycle, I am not worried too much if my giggleberries shrink. (In fact, that may even help surrounding real estate look relatively larger.) It makes sense to me that you don't need your nuts making any natural test on cycle because you're giving your body plenty from an external source.
Reading Anabolics 2007 (Llewellyn) he makes the point that it makes more sense to use HCG in PCT to stimulate testosterone production as it will be very low at that point in time as a result of the external test supplementation.
My recommendation to use hCG on cycle has nothing to do with the "aesthetic" aspect of increasing your testes size.
I say on-cycle hCG is better than post-cycle hCG because it keeps your testes running just as they would if you weren’t using any steroids at all. So once you jump off the steroids, your normal production picks right back up, like you never missed a beat.
Remember, no LH stimulation will reduce your testes ability to produce testosterone -- perhaps permanently if your cycle is long enough. There is no reason to take this risk and wait to "repair" things at the end of a cycle. Just keep things running normally and use hCG on cycle.
-Pp
solidspine
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I never really go off, cut back when injured, and I do HGC every 4-5 months 1000IU for 6-10 days,
Clomid if desperate,
HCG & Nolvadex have always brought things back to normal regardless of the cycle, length or volume.
Don’t understand or agree with doing HCG during your cycle.
Clomid if desperate,
HCG & Nolvadex have always brought things back to normal regardless of the cycle, length or volume.
Don’t understand or agree with doing HCG during your cycle.
mattdan
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Primordial Performance said:
I'm in complete agreement with this statement, based on many years of experimentation. I think this is particularly important during extended cycles and/or large cycles.
The only place I differ slightly is you do not have to use h c g as there are other things availalbe. For me clomid works better than h c g, but YMMV.
DJ_UFO
Banned
I had my doubts when I first read this "new" theory but now I think it makes complete sense. If you wait for the whole cycle to recover your testes, they will lose some ability after so much time being shut down without producing; they get atrophied. Of course they will bounce back but over time, if you keep cycling, they will be losing ability and capacity to work 100% as they used to be. Instead of playing with your body like a roller coaster, is safer and more rational to protect them and keep them always producing at their full capacity. While on cycle, HCG will cheat your nuts; they will never receive an order to shut down so they keep producing and they will see no harm from external mega doses of drugs.
Acela
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i am having my best p'c't thus far
my cycle and ancillary's looked like this:
test.E @ 425 mgs /ew weeks 1-19
E/Q @ 500 mgs EW weeks 1-17
w.inny tabs @ 50 mgs ED weeks 11-16
h'c'g @ 500 iu's E5 days weeks 8-14
p'c't:
clomid 50 ml ED, first dose 9 days after last test shot
derma-sustain, 5 pumps ED, 1st dose 5 days after last test shot
6-OXO 3 tabs @ night (not sure of the dose off hand)
amp 02 10-12 caps on lifting days
I am in day 17 i think. i've probably kept 90-95% of both my strength and body weight. i know its still early, but i simply feel awesome. i actually feel better now then when on. E/Q gave me some anxiety which is now gone. my testicular size is probably 85% of the regular size, libido is strong and the loads are huge. all in all the sex drive is A-OK.
if everything wraps up OK then i think i have found my ideal h'c'g protocal and my p'c't protocl
my cycle and ancillary's looked like this:
test.E @ 425 mgs /ew weeks 1-19
E/Q @ 500 mgs EW weeks 1-17
w.inny tabs @ 50 mgs ED weeks 11-16
h'c'g @ 500 iu's E5 days weeks 8-14
p'c't:
clomid 50 ml ED, first dose 9 days after last test shot
derma-sustain, 5 pumps ED, 1st dose 5 days after last test shot
6-OXO 3 tabs @ night (not sure of the dose off hand)
amp 02 10-12 caps on lifting days
I am in day 17 i think. i've probably kept 90-95% of both my strength and body weight. i know its still early, but i simply feel awesome. i actually feel better now then when on. E/Q gave me some anxiety which is now gone. my testicular size is probably 85% of the regular size, libido is strong and the loads are huge. all in all the sex drive is A-OK.
if everything wraps up OK then i think i have found my ideal h'c'g protocal and my p'c't protocl
