HCG Post cycle or not?

[PittBull666]

I have done alot of reading on the subject and thier seems to be 2 opinions regarding HCG usage.

1)HCG should only be used during cycle to increase natural test production and that Clomid only should be used post cycle.

2)HCG is a must post cycle and should be combined with nolvadex and clomid. The nolvadex being used to prevent gyno induced by the HCG.

I have never seen a difinitive answer to this HCG issue thus have been reluctant to use it.

Someone settle this issue once and for all.


Later
666

 

[azdave]

HCG will suppress your HPTA recovery, so you want to use it for 1-2 weeks and one week before you start your clomid. It's just used to get your balls back to their normal size, and not boost your HPTA.

You don't want to do more than 500-1000 iu's a day also, or it could cause gyno. Running some Nolvadex with it is a good idea also.

 

[lawnsaver]

If a cycle contains tren/deca or is longer than 10 weeks I would come off lie this!

one week after last long ester shot or 2 days after a short ester shot start HCG at 500-1000ius ED or EOD respectivley with 20mg of N-dex ED for 14 days. Then 4 days after last HCG shot, start your clomid: 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10, and 50mg final 10-19 days.

This is the way I come off and I get my morning wood back after I am done

 

[DaMan]

HCG will suppress your HPTA recovery

bullshit.

 

[lawnsaver]

bullshit.

Dont say something if you are unsure. It is not BS. HCG gives a false signal to the LH, in which it signs your testis to produce test. Once the signal stops, so does the production. Long term use of HCG will even desesitize your LH, which will hinder natural test production. HCG is suppressive. It does nothing to restart one's HPTA.

 

[DaMan]

Dont say something if you are unsure. It is not BS. HCG gives a false signal to the LH, in which it signs your testis to produce test. Once the signal stops, so does the production. Long term use of HCG will even desesitize your LH, which will hinder natural test production. HCG is suppressive. It does nothing to restart one's HPTA.

Oh Jesus Christ.

HCG is a synthetic form of LH - there is no "LH" to send a signal to, LH = Luteinizing Hormone and is produced by your pituitary gland. The exogenous LH (HCG) stimulates your Leydig and Sertoli cells in the testes to, yes, produce more ENDOGENOUS testosterone. And no, the introduction of HCG does NOT downregulate endogenous LH production since it is not part of a feedback loop.

HCG does not "desensitize your LH", high doses have shown to desensitize the TESTES to LH and yes, long term it may have an adverse effect, but as for the usual 1-2 week post/on-cycle regimen that is not a factor.

As far as it doing nothing to restart the HPTA... uhm, no.

 

[superchicken]

i saw a medical study where 2 diff hypogonadal males subjects took hcg and clomid at the same time for about 1 mo or so, and they recovered and their test production was normal as measured a few weeks after therapy. so hcg is not as suppressive as many claim.

id post the study but FB is shut down, thats where it was.

 

[PittBull666]

I don't think I will ever get a definitive answer to my question. But thanks for the replys.


Later
666

 

[DaMan]

I don't think I will ever get a definitive answer to my question. But thanks for the replys.


Later
666

Probably not, I haven't either, but for what it's worth here's what works for me: use it during cycle to keep balls & test sorta up AND use it post-cycle, but this time only very sparingly to avoid the desensitization to LH. (like 500iu for 3 days every week or so while still on nolva + clomid).

 

[lawnsaver]

HCG is a synthetic form of LH?? Thats news to me. Its urine from a pregnant woman. Its action signal for more LH to be produced. Once it is out of the system, the signal goes away. Clomid or Nolvadex must be used in order for the HPTA to restart in a timely fashion. Any substance that greatly increases estrogen is inhibitory. HCG has a high conversion rate.

Also you are knit picking in the way I said things and then you said the same things I said, but clearer! I told him to do small doses of HCG so that the desensitzing wouldnt occur. I told him to use n-dex so that the conversion of estrogen wouldnt be counter productive to what he is trying to accomplish( restarting his HPTA ).

HCG is suppressive at higher doses for longer peroids of time. HCG does not restart the HPTA.
HCG at high doses will desesitize your balls from LH.
BUT...HCG will increase testicular size, which will allow clomid to do its job much easier. That is the main purpose of using HCG.

What info did I give that was incorrect, besides my wording??

And Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Gear!!

Also, I would like to read those abstracts on the use of HCG that was mentioned above.