HCG confusion

[hassinba]

I'm 4 weeks away from finishing my test E cycle...I'd like to shoot 500IU's/2x a week for the last 4 weeks of this cycle. 1. Once I mix the solution into the powder(it's pregnyl HCG) how do i store it? I know in the fridge but it can't just sit in an opened amp can it? do i store it in a syringe? 2. How do i measure out 500 IU's??? I don't have any insulin syringes, smallest I have is 3cc's. I really suck at the math and this is just blowing my mind, anybody know about this??

 

[halfaclue]

I'm 4 weeks away from finishing my test E cycle...I'd like to shoot 500IU's/2x a week for the last 4 weeks of this cycle. 1. Once I mix the solution into the powder(it's pregnyl HCG) how do i store it? I know in the fridge but it can't just sit in an opened amp can it? do i store it in a syringe? 2. How do i measure out 500 IU's??? I don't have any insulin syringes, smallest I have is 3cc's. I really suck at the math and this is just blowing my mind, anybody know about this??

when I mix mine I load all the syringes so if you are going to get 10 doses of 500iu's each i would load all 10 syringes and then leave the whole syringes in a tall glass or cup so they are not disturbed.

 

[enacer420nj]

I'm 4 weeks away from finishing my test E cycle...I'd like to shoot 500IU's/2x a week for the last 4 weeks of this cycle. 1. Once I mix the solution into the powder(it's pregnyl HCG) how do i store it? I know in the fridge but it can't just sit in an opened amp can it? do i store it in a syringe? 2. How do i measure out 500 IU's??? I don't have any insulin syringes, smallest I have is 3cc's. I really suck at the math and this is just blowing my mind, anybody know about this??

You can preload syringes or buy a steril vial and transfer to that and store in fridge....the math is simple, if you have a 5,000iu amp and 5ml bac water, when you mix the too it will give you 1,000iu per ml....so if your planning on shooting 500iu at a time that would be .5ml or 1/2 CC

 

[swole]

I'm 4 weeks away from finishing my test E cycle...I'd like to shoot 500IU's/2x a week for the last 4 weeks of this cycle. 1. Once I mix the solution into the powder(it's pregnyl HCG) how do i store it? I know in the fridge but it can't just sit in an opened amp can it? do i store it in a syringe? 2. How do i measure out 500 IU's??? I don't have any insulin syringes, smallest I have is 3cc's. I really suck at the math and this is just blowing my mind, anybody know about this??

check out this thread brah:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...-hcg-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-584086.html

Don't use the given solution; order some bac water. Links are provided in that thread as well as to sites that sell sterile vials. I prefer using them to constitute and store the HCG. I suggest you order some. Also included in that thread are instructions on how to measure out 500iu's. Oh, and there are links to slin pins as well. So you get info and links!

Any more questions just ask.

 

[bsdgeek]

my hcg comes in a multi use vial, with a tab in it, and an ampule with 2 ml of solution in it, it's not just bac water. anyway, does yours come like this? and what dose did you get 5000 iu, 10000 iu? this makes a difference in how you mix it. you'll need some insulin pins, makes it easier to dose it. also, what other items are you planning to include in your pct? aromasin? nolvadex? and how long were you planning on running it? what is your current cycle and how long have you been on? a little info and maybe i can help.

also, if you haven't been running it the whole time, don't start until your cycle is done.

 

[GUARDIAN]

check out this thread brah:

http://www.expertpcsupport.com/foru...-hcg-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-584086.html

Don't use the given solution; order some bac water. Links are provided in that thread as well as to sites that sell sterile vials. I prefer using them to constitute and store the HCG. I suggest you order some. Also included in that thread are instructions on how to measure out 500iu's. Oh, and there are links to slin pins as well. So you get info and links!

Any more questions just ask.

i saved that same thread

saves re-writing all that

 

[bsdgeek]

Don't use the given solution; order some bac water.

no bro, DO use the given solution, it's NOT just bac water. the(and most hcg- I have a script for this shit) solution is dosed at 18 mg / ml and usually is 2 ml in the ampule. which will render 2500 iu / ml. on an insulin pin, that would be 20 ticks. and that is a very small amount, if you're going to pin it sub-q, leaves a hell of a lot smaller bump under the skin. why in the hell would you want to put more shit under the skin? also, why are we telling people to shoot this IM? IM injections clear the system waaay faster. what this means is, it gets in your system really fast, and it'll leave your system really fast. sub-q tends to allow the solution to stay in the system a little longer.

no disrespect 8and20, or swole, but i just don't understand some of the logic i'm seeing on your threads. and is this info you guys are telling people from an hrt doc? or is it experience, or research? my info is coming from experience, plus a couple of hrt docs, plus a really good friend who's a former amateur bb'er whose been on(does two cycles per year- he's in his late 40's- he's also a doctor-chiropractor) and been on hrt for years. i also have a few medical journals that goes into great detail about the use of hcg, etc etc. so, just curious guys, not trying to call anyone out.

 

[GUARDIAN]

is this info you guys are telling people from an hrt doc? or is it experience, or research? QUOTE]

^^^^From all 3 my friend.

some manufacturers of hcg even put for IM use only on their product.

 

[bsdgeek]

is this info you guys are telling people from an hrt doc? or is it experience, or research? QUOTE]

^^^^From all 3 my friend.

some manufacturers of hcg even put for IM use only on their product.

well, if they do put for im use only on it, they had better be using the solution that came with it, i'm sure there's got to be something in the solution to help keep it in the system longer when injected that way. IM injections get in the system faster, that's why with aas they add an ester to keep it in the system longer. test suspension is water based, and when you pin it im, it clears the system really fast, unlike cypionate or enanthate. the solution that comes with the hcg basically helps keep it in the system longer, it's not just bac water. and if you pin it subq, it'll stay in the system even longer. so if he's going to pin 2x week, he needs to pin subq. and he needs to use the solution that came with it. as far as dose goes, that's up for debate, as it seems to change every three to six months on this board. and we all know that everyone's got a better pct than everyone else.

 

[ryno9000]

OK. So why would you guys say to NOT use the solution that comes with the stuff? Seems like it would be exactly what you would want to use, but then again I know nothing on the topic, so I am really posing the question as to why you would want to use a different bac water solution.

Also, what is a sub q injection? Below the skin? How do you know if you are IM or sub q?

 

[bsdgeek]

OK. So why would you guys say to NOT use the solution that comes with the stuff? Seems like it would be exactly what you would want to use, but then again I know nothing on the topic, so I am really posing the question as to why you would want to use a different bac water solution.

Also, what is a sub q injection? Below the skin? How do you know if you are IM or sub q?

sub q is subcutaneous, beneath the skin. you pull your skin up, and pin at an angle as to make sure not to hit any muscle.

 

[bsdgeek]

also, 8and20, bro, check yo pm's.

 

[GUARDIAN]

well, if they do put for im use only on it, they had better be using the solution that came with it, i'm sure there's got to be something in the solution to help keep it in the system longer when injected that way. IM injections get in the system faster, that's why with aas they add an ester to keep it in the system longer. test suspension is water based, and when you pin it im, it clears the system really fast, unlike cypionate or enanthate. the solution that comes with the hcg basically helps keep it in the system longer, it's not just bac water. and if you pin it subq, it'll stay in the system even longer. so if he's going to pin 2x week, he needs to pin subq. and he needs to use the solution that came with it. as far as dose goes, that's up for debate, as it seems to change every three to six months on this board. and we all know that everyone's got a better pct than everyone else.

"quick and fast spikes are best for leydig stimulation and sensitivity which is why the IM makes most sense to me. This is how the body works – with rhythmic spikes of LH every hour or so… it isn’t like a steady stream. In fact the older you get the more steady the steam becomes and the more desensitized the testes become"

Here is the insert on the last one I used.

http://www.follistim.com/Images/New Pregnyl PI_tcm643-169249.pdf

 

[GUARDIAN]

also, 8and20, bro, check yo pm's.

i cant reply to any of them cuz your mailbox is full.....lol

 

[hassinba]

my hcg comes in a multi use vial, with a tab in it, and an ampule with 2 ml of solution in it, it's not just bac water. anyway, does yours come like this? and what dose did you get 5000 iu, 10000 iu? this makes a difference in how you mix it. you'll need some insulin pins, makes it easier to dose it. also, what other items are you planning to include in your pct? aromasin? nolvadex? and how long were you planning on running it? what is your current cycle and how long have you been on? a little info and maybe i can help.

also, if you haven't been running it the whole time, don't start until your cycle is done.

My HCG comes in two sealed amps. Once they're open, that's it....I know where to get slins and vials I just wasn't sure if they were necessary. It's 5000 IU's, with 1ML of solvent that comes with it. I plan on using nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/100/50/50 as well. I've been on this current cycle for about 12 weeks, and extended it because I really wasn't making any gains until I quit being paranoid and dropped the extreme letrozole does I was using from the get-go. I felt like I was gonna miss out on my cycle so i extended it, also got some HCG bc after 16 weeks I know I"m gonna be shut down, first cycle or not. (oh yeah Test E 500mg/wk) As for the last part, I have not been running HCG the whole time, I figured it'd be ok to use the last 4 weeks of my cycle, with my last shot of it being the same day as my last shot of test E. Why can't I do this? BTW thanks a lot for the help from everyone.

 

[eddymerckx]

"quick and fast spikes are best for leydig stimulation and sensitivity which is why the IM makes most sense to me. This is how the body works – with rhythmic spikes of LH every hour or so… it isn’t like a steady stream. In fact the older you get the more steady the steam becomes and the more desensitized the testes become"

Here is the insert on the last one I used.

http://www.follistim.com/Images/New Pregnyl PI_tcm643-169249.pdf

this would explain why i respond to 250 x 2x IM a week while on but I wonder if to restart a shut down it is better to do a higher dose sub-q....not sure, thoughts?

 

[bsdgeek]

i cant reply to any of them cuz your mailbox is full.....lol

it's clear now

 

[slamminshaun]

Man, I'm confused....one doctor prescribed by 1000 IU's a week to use while ON cycle, which I lowered to 500 IU'a a week on my own (after reading the board)....the other one didn't prescribe me anything and said "wait until the end of your cycle". Does it really matter?

 

[GUARDIAN]

even doctors cant agree. both methods are acceptable. some recover better with one over the other. it may matter 2 u. u have 2 compare how u do with both.

Man, I'm confused....one doctor prescribed by 1000 IU's a week to use while ON cycle, which I lowered to 500 IU'a a week on my own (after reading the board)....the other one didn't prescribe me anything and said "wait until the end of your cycle". Does it really matter?

 

[slamminshaun]

Here, quick question.....what is the absolute longest I can stretch the HCG once I've mixed and refrigerated it? I'm still on my first cycle from my prior doctor who overprescribed me 1000 IU's per week....with a 10,000 IU vial, theoretically it would've lasted 10 weeks. Since I've cut my dose down to 500 IU's, theoretically it will take 20 weeks to finish....I know the recommendation is to get rid of it between 30-60 days, but can this be stretched?

 

[GUARDIAN]

go with whatever the manufacturer states for their product. i wouldnt stretch it. the stuff is too cheap so y even bother?

whats the worse that can happen? it loses all its efficacy.

Here, quick question.....what is the absolute longest I can stretch the HCG once I've mixed and refrigerated it? I'm still on my first cycle from my prior doctor who overprescribed me 1000 IU's per week....with a 10,000 IU vial, theoretically it would've lasted 10 weeks. Since I've cut my dose down to 500 IU's, theoretically it will take 20 weeks to finish....I know the recommendation is to get rid of it between 30-60 days, but can this be stretched?

 

[swole]

no bro, DO use the given solution, it's NOT just bac water. the(and most hcg- I have a script for this shit) solution is dosed at 18 mg / ml and usually is 2 ml in the ampule. which will render 2500 iu / ml. on an insulin pin, that would be 20 ticks. and that is a very small amount, if you're going to pin it sub-q, leaves a hell of a lot smaller bump under the skin. why in the hell would you want to put more shit under the skin? also, why are we telling people to shoot this IM? IM injections clear the system waaay faster. what this means is, it gets in your system really fast, and it'll leave your system really fast. sub-q tends to allow the solution to stay in the system a little longer.

no disrespect 8and20, or swole, but i just don't understand some of the logic i'm seeing on your threads. and is this info you guys are telling people from an hrt doc? or is it experience, or research? my info is coming from experience, plus a couple of hrt docs, plus a really good friend who's a former amateur bb'er whose been on(does two cycles per year- he's in his late 40's- he's also a doctor-chiropractor) and been on hrt for years. i also have a few medical journals that goes into great detail about the use of hcg, etc etc. so, just curious guys, not trying to call anyone out.

No disrespect taken. In short, I've gotten better "results" from using HCG in spikes as opposed to gradual use. I've done both a 1000iu shot once every 2 weeks to 250iu EOD for 2 weeks. I responded better to the 1000iu shots. Both runs were conducted with IM injections.

Use your method of constituting the HCG, I'll use mine. I prefer having 500iu/ml in bac water.

 

[LeoG]

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