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wrestletib

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i have absolutely NO idea how to take the HCG i got.

its in 2 amps.
1 liquid, 1 pill?


and since im currently going to run a test eth/dbol cycle i should be using this HCG DURING cycle? 400 or 500 ui weeky?>
 
buy some bac water and dont use the liquid amp they gave u. the other amp is the unconstituted h/c/g.

u didnt say how many iu's your amp is so i will assume it is 5000iu's.


FOLLOW ALL STERILE PROTOCOLS WHILE DOING THIS - i will leave all those steps out.

get 10 or 20 ml of bac water and draw up some bac water and slowly inject into the amp (after you open it of course). u want to put just enuf to mix it up in the amp. re-insert the syringe into the bac water and dispense whatever water you did not use to mix it up in the amp. draw the contents of the mixed amp and insert the syringe into the vial and dispense. shake the vial a bit.

you now have either 500iu/ml or 250iu/ml depending on which size bac water you choose. put it in the FRIDGE!!!!

i would run it 250iu's 2X ew. remember it only has a storage life of 30days so this will only last you about 4 weeks. but at 250ius 2X ew u will only use 2000iu's and obviously waste 3000iu's. this is why i hate 5000iu amps. increasing the dose or frequency may help u use it all but it wont buy u any added benefit. i would start using the hcg around week 3 or 4 and run it until pct.

hope this helps.
 
Alright man, take a deep breath and relax, lol.

How many IU's is the HC.G you ordered? I'm assuming it's 5000iu.

First, throw out the liquid. If you haven't already, get some bacteriostatic water for injection. It's available openly on the internet.

Secondly, that "pill" is the actual HC.G powder. Once the bac water hits it, it will dissolve on contact.

I suggest constituting your HC.G so in the end you will have 500iu/ml. Here's how this will work:

Take 1ml of bac water and shoot it into the vial that has the HC.G powder. Now you have 5000iu of HC.G per 1ml of water.

Now. Suck this fluid up and put it into a separate 10ml sterile vial. You can find these on the web as well.

Then. Take ANOTHER 9ml of bac water and shoot it into the vial with the 1ml of water and 5000iu HC.G.

In the end you will have 5000iu of HC.G per 10ml of water. This means you have a 500iu/ml concentration.

I suggest you run 250iu of HC.G 2xEW throughout the duration of your cycle.

Fridge the HC.G once you constitute it. It's good for roughly 30 days before losing potency.
 
lol fuggin 8and20 beats me again!!!
 
For what it's worth, you can shoot HC.G with a slin pin either Sub-Q or IM.

I actually use a slin pin in my quad since they're lean enough.
 
wrestletib said:
can you link me to the sterile protocols please, this is my first time messsing with amps as well as hcg
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u know swabbing vial stoppers with alcohol, sterile gloves (perhaps a little overkill), using a different needle to draw then the one to inject, etc, etc.

do u do any of this stuff when u inject your aas?

swole is being a little more cautious by using another sterile vial to put everything back into and i just usually use the same bac water vial. but many do this.
 
Are we allowed to post links to vial and bac water suppliers?
 
you guys are awesome, such great responses.

now, i dont have any Bac water, or empty vials for the HCG.



as fas as injection goes, what needle should i use?

also, just to make sure...

week 1-10 =test @ 500 MG EW
week 1-5 =dbol @ 20mg ED
week 4-10 = HCG 500ui EW (thats only 3000ui) *i have 5000 amp.* should

now, being that i have 2000 ui left over, should i KEEP using it until it runs out?Like bridge it over to my PCT?

PCT is sustain.



i have liquidex on hand also. and some liquid femara.

when should i take HCG...

"start using the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - around week 3 or 4 and run it until PCT - post cycle therapy " as 8and20 is what ill probably do.
 
u can inject the hcg IM or subQ. i would just do it IM so u dont have to buy a stash of insulin needles that is what i do. i will let swole chime in on insulin needle recommendations.

like i said it is only good for 30 days stretching it to 6 weeks would not be good. so dont keep using it beyond 4 weeks unless u get some more. i would suggest that from now on to get the smaller amp sizes, if u can. it would be ideal to get another amp of hcg for this cycle. but if u absolutely cant start the hcg at week 6 through 10 and start pct at week 12 or save the hcg until pct at week 12 and run some clomid or nolva with it for 4 weeks. i am not sure how to run the sustain since that is what u have planned for pct so again i will defer to swole.

wrestletib said:
you guys are awesome, such great responses.

now, i dont have any Bac water, or empty vials for the HCG.



as fas as injection goes, what needle should i use?

also, just to make sure...

week 1-10 =test @ 500 MG EW
week 1-5 =dbol @ 20mg ED
week 4-10 = HCG 500ui EW (thats only 3000ui) *i have 5000 amp.* should

now, being that i have 2000 ui left over, should i KEEP using it until it runs out?Like bridge it over to my PCT?

PCT is sustain.



i have liquidex on hand also. and some liquid femara.

when should i take HCG...

"start using the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - around week 3 or 4 and run it until PCT - post cycle therapy " as 8and20 is what ill probably do.
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8and20 said:
u can inject the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - IM or subQ. i would just do it IM so u dont have to buy a stash of insulin needles that is what i do. i will let swole chime in on insuling needle recommendations.

like i said it is only good for 30 days stretching it to 6 weeks would not be good. so dont keep using it beyond 4 weeks unless u get some more. i would suggest that from now on to get the smaller amp sizes, if u can. it would be ideal to get another amp of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for this cycle. but if u absolutely cant start the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - at week 6 through 10 and start PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - at week 12 or save the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - until PCT - post cycle therapy - at week 12 and run some clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with it for 4 weeks. i am not sure how to run the sustain since that is what u have planned for PCT - post cycle therapy - so again i will defer to swole.
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My insulin pins are 29g 1/2" 1cc (this might be the standard). I can reach my quad muscles using these needles. The cycle(s) I run require multiple injections per week, so I chose to invest in smaller needles to eliminate the build up of scar tissue. You can use any type of larger needle for intra-muscular injection of HC.G. I recommend grabbing a few insulin pins to spare yourself the unnecessary poking of 25g or 23g for what is basically water. It's totally your call. You can even use insulin needles for sub-q injections, if you can't reach muscle with the 1/2" insulin needle:

http://www.howtodoinjections.com/sq.html

Start running the Derma Sustain 2 weeks after your last shot of test. 5 pumps daily until the bottle runs out. There's a good sticky at the top of this page referring to PC.T written by PP himself:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...rum/new-post-cycle-therapy-2008-a-582357.html
 
8and20 said:
u can inject the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - IM or subQ. i would just do it IM so u dont have to buy a stash of insulin needles that is what i do. i will let swole chime in on insulin needle recommendations.

like i said it is only good for 30 days stretching it to 6 weeks would not be good. so dont keep using it beyond 4 weeks unless u get some more. i would suggest that from now on to get the smaller amp sizes, if u can. it would be ideal to get another amp of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for this cycle. but if u absolutely cant start the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - at week 6 through 10 and start PCT - post cycle therapy - at week 12 or save the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - until PCT - post cycle therapy - at week 12 and run some clomid or Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - with it for 4 weeks. i am not sure how to run the sustain since that is what u have planned for PCT - post cycle therapy - so again i will defer to swole.
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IM sounds more convinient. Im using 3Ml 22G1/2 needles from B-D. for my test.


would this needles size be fine to use with the HCG?

also, what site is normally used to inject the HCG into?

I use Glutes for test.
 
wrestletib said:
IM sounds more convinient. Im using 3Ml 22G1/2 needles from B-D. for my test.


would this needles size be fine to use with the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - ?

also, what site is normally used to inject the HCG into?

I use Glutes for test.
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22g half inch or inch and a half? For glutes you should use at least 1". 1 1/2" is recommended.

lol, those are huge needles for HC.G. That's like shooting a fly with a bazooka...not necessary. You can inject HC.G into any of your normal spots: delts, quads, bis, tris, glutes, chest.

I don't recommend shooting your arms with 22g needles. Keep the 22g to your ass and maybe delts if you're comfortable with it. In my opinion you can use 23g for the test and whatever you want for the HC.G.

Having appropriate needles on hand is one of the most critical elements to a cycle.

Here is my routine:

test - 23g or 25g 1" into delts or quads
preemo - 23g into delts or quads, 25g into biceps
HC.G - 29g 1/2" insulin needle IM into quad or sub-q into belly fat
 
wrestletib said:
IM sounds more convinient. Im using 3Ml 22G1/2 needles from B-D. for my test.


would this needles size be fine to use with the HCG? YES

also, what site is normally used to inject the HCG into? You will want to find a couple of more injection sites such as deltoids or outer quads. look at www.spotinjections.com

I use Glutes for test.
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^^^^
 
Well ... Check out the dueling bango's between Swole and 8 ball

No need for anyone else to chime in..... Good form gentlemen. Very nice.
One-up-manship, at it's finest.
 
halfcenturian said:
Well ... Check out the dueling bango's between Swole and 8 ball

No need for anyone else to chime in..... Good form gentlemen. Very nice.
One-up-manship, at it's finest.
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u r next punk! :eek2:
 
swole said:
22g half inch or inch and a half? For glutes you should use at least 1". 1 1/2" is recommended.

lol, those are huge needles for HC.G. That's like shooting a fly with a bazooka...not necessary. You can inject HC.G into any of your normal spots: delts, quads, bis, tris, glutes, chest.

I don't recommend shooting your arms with 22g needles. Keep the 22g to your ass and maybe delts if you're comfortable with it. In my opinion you can use 23g for the test and whatever you want for the HC.G.

Having appropriate needles on hand is one of the most critical elements to a cycle.

Here is my routine:

test - 23g or 25g 1" into delts or quads
preemo - 23g into delts or quads, 25g into biceps
HC.G - 29g 1/2" insulin needle IM into quad or sub-q into belly fat
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can you please elaborate on the injection site " sub-q" belly fat?

i think that will be easiest for HCG.

and for sub-q shots 29 G X 1/2″ 1 CC, Syringe with Needle. (Insulin) are the ones id buy , correct?
 
ANOTHER QUESTION!!!!!!! i know how i can use the whole 5000UI amp.

i remember reading some other common practice of taking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - .

1.During cycle ( what i was planning on doing week 6-10;2000ui total )

2.500UI 10 days straight first day after last the shot of Test. (5000Ui total)

can someone PLEASE chime in and tell me which route i should go?







And another question regarding my cycle

week 1-10:test ethante 250mg 2XEW (mon/fri)
week 1-4: Oral Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20MG ED

i was wondering, since i have a 50 count for the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , should i add one more week, and make it 30MG ED? thus, making the total WEEK 1-4 20mg ED and week 5 30MG ED?
 
method #2 has been floating around for awhile, though with long ester test i wouldn't start it the day after your last shot anyways. Now with h/c/g it is not dose dependent in that the more u use and the more frequently u use does not stimulate more test production. there is typically an ideal dose.


i still say run it during as originally proposed but if u cant stand 2 c good hcg go to waste u could go with 500iu's e3d 2 use it all up.

next time around get smaller amps and this wont be an issue.

stay with 20mg ed for 4 weeks and save the little extra dbol for another cycle. it is really tempting to use it all. u will find use for it again. take one pre-workout and 1 post workout.

wrestletib said:
ANOTHER QUESTION!!!!!!! i know how i can use the whole 5000UI amp.

i remember reading some other common practice of taking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - .

1.During cycle ( what i was planning on doing week 6-10;2000ui total )

2.500UI 10 days straight first day after last the shot of Test. (5000Ui total)

can someone PLEASE chime in and tell me which route i should go?







And another question regarding my cycle

week 1-10:test ethante 250mg 2XEW (mon/fri)
week 1-4: Oral Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20MG ED

i was wondering, since i have a 50 count for the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - , should i add one more week, and make it 30MG ED? thus, making the total WEEK 1-4 20mg ED and week 5 30MG ED?
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8and20 said:
method #2 has been floating around for awhile, though with long ester test i wouldn't start it the day after your last shot anyways. Now with h/c/g it is not dose dependent in that the more u use and the more frequently u use does not stimulate more test production. there is typically an ideal dose.


i still say run it during as originally proposed but if u cant stand 2 c good HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - go to waste u could go with 500iu's e3d 2 use it all up.

next time around get smaller amps and this wont be an issue.

stay with 20mg ed for 4 weeks and save the little extra Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for another cycle. it is really tempting to use it all. u will find use for it again. take one pre-workout and 1 post workout.
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its 1 20mg tablet, should i just use a blade to cut it in half? take on pre, then post workout?
 
i have seen expiration dates on the amps themself or the box with that information.

JslJsl22 said:
whats the shelf life for the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - before it hits the BAC Water??
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did anyone mention that when you add in the bac water you should let it slowly dribble in down a side of the vial slowly, not shoot it directly onto the H.CG? Just like G.rowth Hormone, it can be damaged if not reconstituted carefully enough.
 
Sub-Q = subcutaneous

IM = intramuscular

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small but working on it said:
What is sub-Q or Im ? I mean what is the difference and cant those be purchased at cvs ? I dont understand what u r asking with this question. Delete this if inappropriate but is there an ancillary company that sells h.c.g ? cant ask this I understand it is inexpensive but didnt know if it was available at ag. thanks in advance
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fearfulsymmetry said:
Actually it will be stored in an air conditioned room. No travel plans, just lost friendly fridge storage for awhile as moving in with gf.
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i see. use a little cooler with ice bro.
 
swole said:
Fridge the HC.G once you constitute it. It's good for roughly 30 days before losing potency.
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I thought the golden rule was to not start a cycle before you have everything needed!!! Is this an exception to the rule?

...exceptions strike again!
 
cloak33 said:
I thought the golden rule was to not start a cycle before you have everything needed!!! Is this an exception to the rule?

...exceptions strike again!
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Not an exception, just have it on hand. Don't reconstitue (mix it with BAC water) until you are ready to us it.
 
i have a 10,000iu on order. This will be my first time seeing hcg. Do they always come in pill form? I am on a long cycle and would like it to last more than 30 days. If it is always in pill form will cutting it to halve the dosage be ok? OR might a 10,000iu batch come with 2 tabs??
 
I f'd up a bit. I split my 10,000iu tab into two and used 30ml bac water for 5000iu. Now I have 166iu/ml. Slin pin draws 1/2ml which will be 83iu. So unfortunately I have to inj ED which will give me 583iu/week. Lesson learned. Think before acting a chemist.
 
hey can i jst mix it w. the 1 ml and put it in 10 sep. syringes and jst have small shots or shld i buy the new water and have 10 ml of it.... im sure i cld do it the way it came w. jst the 2 amps
 
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