have to gain weight FAST and need serious help

[skinnyboy99]

Hi.
I've been doing workouts for 6months now. when i started i was just bones with some skin over them. i gained about 30 pounds now and weigh about 150 pounds now. my goal is 190-200 pounds. i wanna get there as fast as possible. the problem is, my weight gain doesn't go as fast any more as before. so now i need some help to make it faster again. i've been taking creatine, weight gainer and protines right from the start. i always started to take more and more. and 1 month ago i got kinda sick. i can't eat anymore i always have to "almost throw up" when eating. i made a blood analysis and some values are bigger than normal, like Fe (iron) for example, i don't know the other values by heart. all this started when i started to take phosphagen hp and cell tech together (both are creatine products) and went to gym 5 days a week doing each body part on another day. so it might be the creatine that made be sick or can it be something else? before i only took cell tech and went 3 days a week to gym. so i'll probably have to leave one of them out. which one should i leave out? cell tech or phosphagen hp? oh, and btw: my weight gainer is weight gainer 1850 (GNC) and my protines are called isopure.

Now another question:
Many people say you have to eat 6 real meals a day. this is faaar too much for me. i just can't eat that much. so what should i do? at the moment my day looks like this:
wake up at 6 am. and eat breakfast (without any supplements like weight gainer). at 1pm i eat lunch. right after lunch i eat some "calorie bombs" like cake and a banana. then i take weight gainer and phosphagen. 2-3 hrs later i go to gym. after gym i take cell tech + phosphagen and protines. then late at nigh (10-11pm) i try to eat something else (bread with ham or so). before i go to bed i take another protine drink.
now my doctor says i shouldn't eat after 9 or 10pm. so should i leave out those meals after 10pm (bread + ham and the protine drink)?
if i left them out, i wouldn't get enough food for the day, right?
so what can i do?
take a weight gainer after lunch? eat during school between 8am and 1pm? take additional weight gainer after workout along with creatine and protines?
any suggestions? i really need your help!
the problem is, i can't eat too much in the morning and if i eat during school, i can't eat too much for lunch later at 1pm.

Another question: how much protine can my body take at once and fully use? someone told me if i eat more than 50g of protine at once, the body can't use all of it and it would be a waste...is that right?

And how much can a very ectomorph person (like me) gain in a year? am i able to gain about 25 pounds in a year with supplements?


Hope someone can help me out, i'd really appreciate it! thanks in advance!

 

[B182]

Basic forumula for weight gain = eat more calories than you burn. If you cant suck it up and learn to eat you aren't going anywhere. The reason why you're having a harder time is because it requires mroe calories as you increase weight to gain. By eating 6 times a day you're not supposed to stuff your face to maximum fill each and every time, rather just try to keep yourself feeling mostly full for most of the day. And no, I don't think you should avoid eating after 10pm if your sole concern is weight gain. Use the "see-food" diet; if you see food, eat it. And it's not going to come overnight, but it's not like anyone's holding you at gunpoint either. So either get used to eating, or get used to 150. It's a nice, round number anyway.

 

[Silent Method]

Yes, the creatine could be contributing to your nausea when you eat. By your tone I'd guess your taking way too much.

6 meals a day is easy. Say you take in 3000 calories a day in three meals. Eating 6 meals does not necessarily mean doubling calories or the amount of food. It may only entail eating smaller, more frequent meals.

As for HAVING to gain SERIOUS weight FAST, I say you need to do lots of homework first. Learning to train and eat the right for quality weight gain TAKES TIME!

 

[Him1]

Originally posted by:Silent Method Yes, the creatine could be contributing to your nausea when you eat. By your tone I'd guess your taking way too much. "

Respectfully, I doubt it. BUT, the sugar in both of those is Cell Tech=75 grams+Phosphagen=40 grams( thats 1 serving). Well over 100g of dextrose... I'd say thats a bit much for a 150 lb'er, don't you?

 

[Egomaniac247]

If you've only been working out for 6 months, you really need to stay away from the gear....you have much much more growing to do naturally. Sure the growing stops coming so rapidly, but it comes trust me.

I wish I had waited a little longer til I juiced...I lifted naturally from age 19-21...then juiced. I wish I'd waited until now b/c it would have been so much more effective.

Eat more. Train differently (ie powerlifting routines). Consider juice in about a year and a half.

Remember the golden rule that I learned a while back, if you want to be a 225 pounder, eat like a 225 pounder...

 

[Silent Method]

Originally posted by:Silent Method Yes, the creatine could be contributing to your nausea when you eat. By your tone I'd guess your taking way too much. "

Respectfully, I doubt it. BUT, the sugar in both of those is Cell Tech=75 grams+Phosphagen=40 grams( thats 1 serving). Well over 100g of dextrose... I'd say thats a bit much for a 150 lb'er, don't you?

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you just contrasting the effects of creatine and dextrose, arguing that it is the dextrose and not the creatine making him sick?

I've had raw, high quality supplemental creatine make me nauseous as hell when consuming too high of a dose. I've had sugar do the same.

Either way you slice it he's consuming too much supplemental creatine/sugar.

 

[skinnyboy99]

Ok, let's assume both creatine products together are too much (either the creatine or the dextrose). so i'll leave on of them out now. but which one? is cell tech or phosphagen better? phosphagen doesn't have anything that potentiates insulin, so cell tech is probably better, or not? but my doctor means that the alpha lipoic acid in cell tech might make me sick. so should i better go for cell tech (if it's better than phosphagen, i'd try it out even if it has alpha lipoic acid in it) or phosphagen?
if i went for phosphagen i'd take it twice a day (once before and once after workout), giving me a total of 11g of creatine.
if i went for cell tech, i'd take it once after workout, giving me 10g of creatine.



And now to the eating part again:
What would you think about that:
6am: breakfast + weight gainer
10am: some kind of chocolate-cereal-sticks (or however you call that)
1pm: lunch + banana + "calorie bomb (cake)" + phosphagen (if i take it instead of cell tech). now this eating "stage" might take till 3pm or so because i can't eat all that at once!!!
5pm: go to gym
7pm: come back from gym and take cell tech / phosphagen + protines + weight gainer
10-11pm: bread + ham
12pm: protines and go to bed

I'm not sure about taking the weight gainer in the morning or after lunch. if i take it after lunch, i have more energy for workout but i have to eat hell a lot in this time. if i take it in the morning, i won't have to eat that much during lunch time.
And i also don't know if it's a bit late if i go to bed at 12pm (or is it am?). this only gets me 6hrs of sleep. is that enough? but if i went to bed earlier, i would have to leave out bread + ham or the protine drink at night.

 

[Silent Method]

I'd go with phosphagen HP. It's got 33 grams of sugar - what you need to spike insulin, shuttle creatine into your cells, and make the supplement effective. Cell-tech is a good product but the price is jacked way too high. 10 grams of creatine is plenty for your weight (despite what many think). Breaking up dosages into two is good.

As for your diet, oh boy. I'll let someone else tale over from here...

 

[skinnyboy99]

oh, i forgot to tell you about the loading stage when i firstly took both cell tech and phosphagen. i took cell tech twiche a day and phosphagen 4 times a day (like it said on the packages). that's a total of 40g of creatine a day...in this time all i did was lying sick in my bed, eating and going to gym. maybe this loading stage killed me? but if i hadn't done the loading stage correctly, it wouldn't have been as effective, right?

 

[skinnyboy99]

@SilentMethod:
would you take cell tech instead of phosphagen, if it was cheaper? i don't look at prices, i just want the best stuff i can get to gain weight as effective as possible.

 

[Silent Method]

Honestly, yes. If price were no issue I'd buy cell-tech. But the truth is you're not going to feel or see any difference with either product.

 

[Silent Method]

Honestly, yes. If price were no issue I'd buy cell-tech. But the truth is you're not going to feel or see any difference with either product.

Just wanted to clarify - I don't think you'd see any difference between these products...

 

[wartime100]

It is better to focus on building quality muscle rather than just trying to gain weight. You need to give it time.

 

[phatbastard]

bulking up

hey bro these other panseys dont want to say it but i will.i just started taking 30 mg of d-bol and in two weeks ive put on 10 pounds of mass, i feel better than ever & chicks r starting to notice me . my cock in a force to be reckoned with and it does not take any prisoners .

 

[Dr.M]

Dude, 6 meals a day is not far too much. Add a meal (snack) a day and after awhile you get used to eating, if you cant eat you will NEVER GAIN WEIGHT PERIOD, especially if you are predisposed to being skinny guess what? You will have to eat more than the average person in order to gain or maintain weight.

If youre absofuckinlutely desperate, eat ice cream, lots of it, 2246 calories per half gallon of my own favorite mint chip.

What do you mean you need to "gain weight fast", are you talking months or what? What in hell for might I ask? It is unhealthy for one thing to gain weight terribly fast, but you act like your going to die if you dont, but you refuse to eat to get there, that is why MANY PEOPLE NEVER GET BIG, BECAUSE THEY WON'T EAT RIGHT.

Just offering you some realistic advice man, weight comes from what you eat, not the air you breath, not the water you drink, and anything you stick in your ass to help move you along will help shuttle what you eat to MUSCLE but not if you can't get the protein you need you are going nowhere fast.

Good luck

 

[barnes3]

These are all in my opinion of what I think you should do:

1. Ditch the Cell Tech. Use the Phos HP. But also get creatine mono by itself so that you can add the creatine needed without the sugar, but be sure to read the label on the back and make sure it does not have sugar in it.. just creatine. That way you can take on more creatine. Use the creatine mono in the morning and before bedtime. Then use the Phos HP+Creatine Mono pre-workout. (I am not making this shit up.. I am doing this currently after I have decided to go natural after doing cycles).

2. Get your hands on some L-Glutamine Powder and mix it with your creatine when you take those.

3. Try to stay away from the simple carbs and concentrate on taking in complex carbs. I will give you an example of my diet currently (I am bulking):

8am Cereal 1 Cup of Milk Plus Serving of Creatine and Glutamine
10am I slice of whole wheat bread, 4 egg whites, 1 whole egg
11-1pm Class
1:15 1 pre-made hamburger patty, 1 and a half cups of pasta, one half cup of pasta sauce
3:30pm 1 bag of Uncle Bens Brown Rice
4:15pm 2 servings of Whey Protein, Phos HP, Creatine Mono, Glutamine
4:30pm workout
6pm Post workout- Weight Gainer with Fat Free Milk, 2 Serving of Whey Protein added
7:30pm 2 lean steaks, assorted vegtables
9pm Snack- 1 spoon of peanut butter
10:30 2 servings of Whey Protein, 1 serving of Creatine Mono, 1 serving of L-Glutamine, ZMA, 2 capsuls of Omega-3-6-9(borage, fish, flax capsuls)

That is just an example of a day in my diet. I take in 3500 to 4000 cals a day, 450-500g Carbs, 300-350g Protein, and let the fat lay where it will. The reason being is that you have to eat a little unheathy to gain muscle weight. You can worry about the fat when you trim down. If you really want to gain weight, place your cardio at 10mins prior to workout and 10mins post workout.. just enought to keep that heart working a little better than if you did none at all.

barnes3

 

[barnes3]

Also skinnyboy, you need to do some reading on diets and such and not rely mere on this board for your answers. Do some searches on things you have questions. If not... start reading some magazines or check out a book at the library. Also, alot is going to be trial and error as to what your body adapts to and grows to, and only you can find that out, we can't here at EF. What is good for one person is not neccessarily good for another.

barnes3

 

[wartime100]

Re: bulking up

hey bro these other panseys dont want to say it but i will.i just started taking 30 mg of d-bol and in two weeks ive put on 10 pounds of mass, i feel better than ever & chicks r starting to notice me . my cock in a force to be reckoned with and it does not take any prisoners .

You are a dumb motherfucker. A dbol only cycle will give you some gains but good luck keeping them. Stupid uneducated fucks like you have no idea what they are talking about and don't even belong in a gym.

 

[barnes3]

Re: Re: bulking up

You are a dumb motherfucker. A dbol only cycle will give you some gains but good luck keeping them. Stupid uneducated fucks like you have no idea what they are talking about and don't even belong in a gym.

Don't they workout in packs too??

barnes3

 

[ripper2]

Re: Re: Re: bulking up

Don't they workout in packs too??

barnes3

LOL! i always see 'em in groups of 3 or 4 talking loud and grunting trying to psych each other up for their lifts (usually with sloppy form)

 

[skinnyboy99]

for the steroids: i'll never ever take them.

for the diet:
well, i can eat 6 times a day, but i can't eat 6 BIG MEALS a day. in america, dinner is the biggest meal, right? i can't eat 6 times a meal like a dinner in america. this is impossible for me. but i can eat 2, maybe 3 big meals a day and some smaller meals between.
and i have absolutely no problem getting enough protines. 2 times isopure a day makes 100g protine. so i'll only need 50g more protine from normal meals. and that is no problem. i'm just worrying about all the other stuff (getting enough calories to burn and enough carbs for energy).
and btw: when i started to workout, i had 3% body fat. now i got about 12%. but i didn't really eat too much fat. so the fat probably came from too much carbs? so i don't know if i eat too much carbs instead of something else? i can't tell why i don't gain muscles as fast as before, i get enough protines and probably enough carbs. so what...?

i also have another problem (i'm taking a break at the moment until i feel better and can eat again)...i'm loosing weight. but i'll open another thread for that one

 

[T2O]

I don't know why anyone would say he won't fell any affects from cell tech. Bro if you have any muscle on those bones you will get an affect. Trust me... You can do 6 meals a day.....really I don't see how in the hell you can fo from 3%bf to 12% and loosing weight. I would go see a doctor,,,,,another one that is, not the idiot telling you not to eat late at night. For hard gainers that is a must. Slow digesting meat and milk. Something to stck with you while your asleep.

 

[barnes3]

Find one of those sites that calculates (roughly) what you are suppose to be taking in each day. It is suppose to be 1g of Protein for 1 lbs of body weight, 1.5 to 2g of Carbs per 1 lbs of Body weight. Also, since your are sick, just keep taking the protein shakes. As for the intake of your protein relying on the shakes... get some real food as soon as your are able that is high in protein... chicken, tuna, etc. And for the BF that you have gain that you think is from too many carbs.. it could very well be because of too many of the wrong carbs.. simple carbs. Your body is SUPPOSE to be able to handle 75g-100g of simple carbs a day... which can vary from person to person. I take in 150g of simple carbs a day and the rest are complex.

barnes3

 

[teachiteasy]

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[Zyglamail]

It is better to focus on building quality muscle rather than just trying to gain weight. You need to give it time.

EXACTLY!

tendons and ligaments grow MUCH slower than muscle and carrying an extra 50 pounds puts a LOT of additional stress on your body. Take your time and focus on quality gains or your going to end up suffering in the end.

 

[lrkoehle]

Resurrect an 11 year old thread? Why not...

 

[robph]

WOW, 11 years later, im sure hes 200lbs by now lmfao