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The Hate Crimes You Don't Hear About
by Russ Kick


Cleveland, Ohio. A white man on a moped accidentally bumped into a
truck
being driven by a black man. He fell over but was not injured. A crowd
of 40
white people pulled the black driver from the truck and brutally beat
him.
One of them climbed in the truck and ran over the driver, killing him.
The
crowd cheered.
Jacksonville, Florida. A group of four to six white men agreed that
they
would brutalize the next black person they saw walking down the street.
That
person turned out to be a mentally disabled 50-year-old, whom they beat
and
stomped into unconsciousness. He later died of his injuries.

Are you surprised that you've never heard of these sickening murders
based
on racial hatred? You didn't see saturation coverage on the news. You
didn't
hear politicians decrying racism. You didn't see a livid Jesse Jackson
on
CNN. Why? Because these acts of brutality didn't happen exactly as I
described above. Oh, they happened, all right. The only thing is, the
races
of the attackers and victims were reversed. That is, a white man was
beaten
and then crushed by a mob of 40 black people who were furious that a
black
man bumped into his truck.¹ In Jacksonville, it was a gang of black men
who
stomped a mentally-disabled man to death solely because he was white.²

Because these hate crimes were perpetrated by black against whites -
even
though they were based completely on racial hatred - the national
media,
politicians, and civil rights leaders ignored them.

If these acts of savagery had indeed happened as I originally
described
them above, you would have heard about them. But because they were
perpetrated by blacks against whites - even though they were based
completely
on racial hatred - the national media, politicians, and civil rights
leaders
ignored them. As opposed to the deaths of Yusef Hawkins and James Byrd,
these
deaths are only reported in the local media. And even then, the races
of the
people involved are often not mentioned.
Below are some more hate crimes that have been ignored because they
happened the "wrong way" (i.e., they were black-on-white instead of
white-on-black).

a.. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Upset about a racial name-calling that
occurred
earlier that night, several black men savagely beat a random white man
who
had had nothing to do with the incident. He slipped away from his
attackers,
but they forced him to swim into a lake to escape. He drowned. The
three men
were sentenced to less than a year in jail.3

b.. Massachusetts. Four black men decided to murder the next white
person
they saw. That unlucky soul was a college student from Boston, whom the
men
stabbed to death.4

c.. Indiana. A black man was arrested for killing seven white people
with a
shotgun. He explained that he murdered his victims due to his
"deep-rooted
hatred" of white people.5

d.. Miami, Florida. The leader of a black supremacist sect (i.e., the
"Yaweh ben Yaweh cult") was convicted of the murders of several white
people.
He ordered his followers to kill any and all "white devils." They
killed at
least seven white people, bringing back body parts to their leader.6

e.. North Carolina. Seven black men kidnapped a white woman, raped
her, put
her in a tub of bleach, shot her five times, and dumped her body. The
murderers said they did this for racial reasons.7

f.. North Carolina. Four black teenagers lured a white, ten-year-old
girl
into an empty house. "There, they sodomized her, strangled her with a
cable
wire, and beat her to death with a board. In the past few weeks, the
trials
in the Tiffany Long case have received extensive coverage in the North
Carolina press. But with two of the three defendants already sentenced
to
lifelong prison terms, and the third now standing trial, the national
media
have all but ignored the story. Only the Associated Press has reported
on the
trials, in a single, cursory piece. The AP, of course, failed to
mention the
race of the people involved - an oversight it seldom if ever committed
in the
case of Amadou Diallo."8

g.. Boulder, Colorado. After discovering that one of their members
had
never had sex with a white woman, an Asian gang went looking for one.
When
they found a white University of Colorado student, the six men gang
raped her
in their minivan for two hours.
At their trial, "Detectives described the woman's night of terror,
including repeated threats to kill her.

"The woman leaped out of the minivan after one of the men raped
her.
Naked, she sprinted across Lefthand Canyon Road before Steve Yang
tackled
her, authorities said.

"'They were all screaming at her, calling her names and hitting
her,'
Detective Jane Harmer testified.

"Yang put her in a headlock and dragged her back into the van,
where she
was raped repeatedly, Harmer said.

"'It was a free-for-all,' Harmer testified.

"One man threatened to 'cut and burn her,' and another put a gun
barrel
to the back of her head when they released her, Harmer said."9


h.. Kansas City, Missouri. An Ethiopian immigrant shot two white
coworkers
- killing one and critically injuring the other - at his workplace,
then
turned the gun on himself. At his residence, police found a three-page,
signed note he had written in which he railed at "black blood sucker
supreme
white people" for oppressing him and black people in general.10

i.. New York City. In a Midtown office building, a white woman was
assaulted, raped, and anally raped by a black man who called her racist
names
during the attack. Police refused to label it a hate crime.11

j.. Alexandria, Virginia. A black man walking through a neighborhood
went
over to a white eight-year-old boy playing in his great-grandparents'
front
yard and slit the child's throat, killing him. A witness says that the
attacker shouted racial epithets during the attack, and the main
suspect in
the case owns anti-white hate literature and had written a note about
killing
white children. He had been previously arrested for attacking an
unarmed
white stranger with a hammer. (During the attack, he called his victim
"Whitey.")12
This particular case provides a perfect example of the terrible
way that
anti-white hate crimes are handled. First, the investigators decided
not to
tell police officers about the racial aspects of the case, even while
the
police were conducting a manhunt to find the boy's killer. When this
was
revealed by the Washington Post, city council member Joyce Woodson
defended
this withholding of information from the cops on the front line. "What
they
did was proper. We already live in a racially charged world." The
Democratic
mayor of Alexandria implied his agreement: "Efforts to sensationalize
this
investigation will only hurt this investigation."13

To make things even stranger, the FBI offered to send agents and a
fugitive task force to help with the manhunt, but the local police
rejected
the offer. They also refused the help of the FBI's profilers, forensics
experts, and others.14

Eventually, the police arrested a suspect who was reportedly tied
to the
scene by DNA evidence. In another bizarre move, the Justice Department
-
which had acknowledged that it was monitoring the case - declined to
prosecute the killing as a hate crime. The government's prosecutor in
the
case cannot charge the victim with a hate crime. "There's no applicable
hate
crimes law in Virginia," he explained.15

An editorial in the Washington Times pointedly commented on the
deafening silence surrounding the brutal child-murder: "Has anyone seen
Jesse
Jackson around lately? Kweisi Mfume? Al Sharpton? For persons whose
political
antennae are ordinarily so sensitive that they can pick up racial
tremors a
thousand miles away, they seem to have overlooked a possible hate crime
right
here in the vicinity of the nation's capital."

Even though all of the above incidents occurred in the last ten
years,
anti-white hate crimes are not new. The Village Voice writes of "the
wave of
random street killings that terrorized San Francisco in 1973. The
'Zebra
killers' struck without warning, murdering whites at night. Most
victims were
shot. One was raped, another beheaded. Four young black Muslims were
arrested
in 1974 and charged with 14 murders, seven assaults, one rape, and an
attempted kidnapping. The Zebra killers were convicted in 1976."16


The Exceptions That Prove the Rule

On extremely rare occasions a vicious black-on-white hate crime does
make
the national news. This was the case with the Central Park jogger and
Colin
Ferguson. Just why these two violent acts of hatred bubbled up into
mass
consciousness - while others that are at least as heinous have been
ignored -
is not clear. Nevertheless, it is instructive to examine them because,
though
they received wide attention, they were still treated differently than
their
white-on-black counterparts.
The Central Park jogger, you'll recall, was a white woman who was
gang
raped and beaten almost to death by a gang of black and Hispanic
teenagers in
1989. This incident introduced the term "wilding" to the nation. As
Nicholas
Stix described it: "The boys dragged her 200 yards to a secluded place,
where
they fractured her skull with a plastic-wrapped, four-foot lead pipe,
and
some large rocks. The boys ripped the Jogger's clothes off of her,
tying her
hands behind her back with her sweatshirt, gagging her, and taking
turns
beating, stomping, and raping the unconscious woman, as 75 per cent of
her
blood oozed into the Central Park grass. They left her, with bruises,
welts,
and wounds literally from head to toe, for dead."17

Despite the fact that physical evidence, eye witnesses, and
video-taped
confessions by the attackers in their parents' presence all pointed to
the
young men's guilt, protestors outside the courtroom referred to the
trial as
a "lynching."

The assault was officially declared not to be a hate crime, and some
influential black media and commentators - including Al Sharpton and
two of
New York's African-American newspapers - declared that prosecuting the
attackers was an act of racism. Some even questioned whether the attack
really happened. Despite the fact that physical evidence, eyewitnesses,
and
videotaped confessions by the attackers in their parents' presence all
pointed to the young men's guilt, protestors outside the courtroom
referred
to the trial as a "lynching."18
Four years later, a black man named Colin Ferguson opened fire
inside a
commuter train in Long Island. Six people died and nineteen were
injured.
"Police recovered from Ferguson's pocket a handwritten note titled,
'Reasons
for This.' It expressed hatred towards whites, Asians, and 'Uncle Tom
blacks,' and stated that Nassau County, Long Island was chosen as 'the
venue'
because of its predominantly white population."19 How did politicians
and
commentators respond to this racially motivated bloodbath? President
Clinton
ignored the racial aspects, instead using the incident as an excuse to
once
again call for tighter gun control laws. Commentators either denied
that it
was a hate crime or admitted that it was but then tied themselves in
knots to
explain it away. The Dallas Morning News interviewed a sociologist who
"conceded that Ferguson picked his victims on the basis of race, but
did not
think this justified the hate crime label."20

A scholarly book on hate crimes (discussed more below) notes: "When
the
Reverend Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam leader, mentioned Colin
Ferguson,
the Long Island Railroad mass murderer, at a rally in New York City,
the
audience cheered. In a speech before an audience of 2,000 at Howard
University, Nation of Islam spokesman Khalid Muhammed drew loud
applause when
he stated, 'I love Colin Ferguson, who killed all those white folks on
the
train.'"21


The Overall Numbers

When presented with these horrifying violent acts committed against
whites
for racial reasons, some people respond with the argument that these
occurrences must be flukes. They're just isolated incidents, this line
of
reasoning goes; surely the overall statistics show that whites attack
blacks
much more often than blacks attack whites.
This is a "straw man" argument: Even if it were true, it would still
not
affect the fundamental point that anti-black hate crimes receive
national
coverage and trigger political denunciations, while anti-white crimes
are
ignored. Besides, isn't the media all about reporting flukes? As they
say in
the news business, "Dog bites man" is not a story, but "Man bites dog"
is.
Or, to use another example, an airplane landing safely is not news - an
airplane crashing is. So if these instances of anti-white violence were
incredibly rare, that would be even more of a justification for
covering
them, not less. But these instances aren't rare. The statistics show
this.

The book Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics is a
revelatory
study of the phenomena. It was coauthored by James B. Jacobs, who is
the
director of the Center for Research in Crime and Justice at New York
University and a professor of law at the NYU School of Law, and
Kimberly
Potter, an attorney who was formerly a research fellow at the Center
for
Research in Crime and Justice. Published by Oxford University Press as
part
of their Studies in Crime and Public Policy series, its credibility is
as
impeccable as possible.

The loudly promoted "hate crime epidemic" in America is an illusion.

Jacobs and Potter examine many of the myths and problems surrounding
the
idea of hate crimes, showing, among other things, that the loudly
promoted
"hate crime epidemic" in America is an illusion. Hate crimes have never
been
more than a tiny fraction of overall violent crime, and the numbers
have
actually been holding steady or decreasing in recent years.22
The authors also reveal the surprising statistics regarding
interracial
crime. It turns out that 80 percent of violent crimes involve an
attacker and
victim of the same race. "For the 20 percent of violent crimes that are
interracial, 15 percent involve black offenders and white victims; 2
percent
involve white offenders and black victims; and 3 percent involve other
combinations."23

These statistics include all instances of interracial violent crime,
not
just those labeled "hate crimes." To see the rates of anti-white and
anti-black violence that have been categorized as hate crimes, one only
needs
to take a cursory look at the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports specifically
on
hate crime to see that blacks commit them at a higher rate than
whites.24

According to the US Census Bureau's most recent projection (for
Sept. 1,
2000), 82.2 percent of the US population is white, while 12.8 percent
is
black. If Hispanics are excluded from both counts, then the numbers are
71.4
percent white and 12.2 percent black.25

In the most recent year for which FBI data are available (1998), we
see
that there were 2,084 anti-black hate crimes committed by whites, and
567
anti-white hate crimes committed by blacks. Though the absolute number
of
anti-black crimes is 3.6 times as high as anti-white crimes, keep in
mind
that there are almost six times as many whites as blacks in the US. To
get a
true picture, we need to look at the proportional rates.

Eighty percent of violent crimes involve an attacker and victim of
the
same race.

If we divide each population by the number of crimes committed by
individuals in that population, we see that there was one anti-black
attack
for every 94,436 white people, but one anti-white attack for every
59,172
black people. Thus, the rate of black-perpetrated hate crimes against
whites
is approximately 1.6 times higher than the rate of white-perpetrated
hate
crimes against blacks.
Looking at hate crimes involving death and rape tells an even
starker
story. In 1998 five white people were killed in hate crimes, while
three
black people were killed in the same period. During that year, four
women of
each race were raped as a result of racial hatred. If these incidents
were
occurring between the races at equal rates based on their populations,
we'd
expect to see six times as many blacks killed and raped by whites as
the
opposite. Yet we see an equal number of rapes and almost twice as many
anti-white slayings.

How can we ever hope to bridge the racial divide if we won't even
look at
the hard facts of racism?


The Final Analysis

Although these publicly available but long-ignored facts are
incendiary,
the purpose of this article is certainly not to stir up even more
racial
animosity. There's already too much as it is. But how can we ever hope
to
bridge the racial divide if we won't even look at the hard facts of
racism?
Is anything good accomplished when one type of hate crime receives
nationwide
attention, while another type of hate crime - which occurs at higher
rates -
is swept under the rug?
It's obvious that the media, politicians, and civil rights groups
have an
agenda: They want to keep us ignorant of the realities of race
relations.
They present us with the completely untrue view that only white people
commit
hate crimes, or, if it must be admitted that blacks also commit hate
crimes,
they are seen as isolated incidents, bizarre anomalies that somehow
don't
qualify as hate crimes.

The reality of the situation is that we're all attacking each other.
A
look at the FBI's hate crime statistics will pry the scales from your
eyes.
Besides the figures already mentioned, you'll see that Native Americans
and
whites are attacking each other in equal numbers, blacks are attacking
Asians, Asians are attacking Jews, multi-racial groups are attacking
blacks,
and on and on.

The issue of violent racial hatred is much more complex, universal, and
disturbing than the simple-minded white-on-black paradigm that is
universally
touted.

People are even committing hate crimes against members of the same
race.
In 1998, for example, the FBI logged 123 hate crimes committed by
whites
against other whites, 64 by blacks against blacks, and a few by Asians
against Asians and Native Americans against Native Americans. The
reason for
these apparently bizarre phenomena is that the "races" are not as
monolithic
as we commonly assume. They are divided into various ethnicities,
nationalities, and other subdivisions, and these groups often hate each
other.26 So it's not unheard of to have hate crimes between people of
British
and Italian descent (both considered white), between African Americans
and
Haitian Americans (both black), between people of Japanese and Korean
descent
(both Asian), or between members of different Native American tribes.
Clearly, the issue of violent racial hatred is much more complex,
universal, and disturbing than the simple-minded white-on-black
paradigm that
is universally touted. We need to accept this fact as individuals, then
pressure the media, politicians, and other opinion-makers to accept it,
too,
and start telling the sticky truth about the situation.


Endnotes

1.. Perazzo, John. (1999). The Myths That Divide Us: How Lies Have
Poisoned
American Race Relations. Briarcliff Manor, NY: World Studies Books, p.
58.

2.. . Womble, Shannon. (1999). "2 jailed in killing motivated by
race."
Florida Times-Union, Sept. 4.

3.. Op cit., Perazzo, p. 61, referencing: unattributed (1992). "3
blacks
sentenced in '90 racial attack." Chicago Tribune, May 20.

4.. Ibid., p. 59, referencing: Barnacle, Mike. (1991). "A double
standard
for race crimes?" Asbury Park Press, March 7.

5.. Ibid., referencing: Knight-Ridder News. (1991). "AWOL Marine in
Indiana
admits seven racial killings, sources say." Miami Herald, Feb. 2.

6.. Ibid., referencing: unsigned. (1991). "The killing class." Miami
Herald, Feb. 24; Gehrke, Donna. (1992). " 'I felt power' while slaying
6
people, former Yaweh 'death angel' testifies." Miami Herald, Jan. 30.

7.. Op cit., Perazzo, p. 173, referencing: Edwards, Wayne. (1994).
"Three
strikes?" Destiny, Feb.

8.. Unsigned. (2000). "Tiffany Long: Too white to be a victim."
FrontPage
Magazine, Feb. 29. www.frontpagemag.com.

9.. McCullen, Kevin. (1999). "Rape suspects were seeking white
woman."
Denver Rocky Mountain News, Sept. 30.

10.. Associated Press. (1999). "Kansas City airport shooting victims
identified." Jefferson City News Tribune, Nov. 22.

11.. Weiss, Murray, et al. (1999). "Cops fume over lousy video of 6th
Ave.
rapist." New York Post, Dec. 22.

12.. Davis, Patricia. (2000). "Manhunt in Alexandria for killer of
8-year-old." Washington Post, April 20; Drake, John & Ellen Sorokin
(2000a).
"Stabbing probers kept race a secret." Washington Post, July 12;
unsigned.
(2000). "The hate crime that wasn't." Washington Times, July 12.

13.. Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a); Sorokin, Ellen & John Drake.
(2000b). "Boy's stabbing draws attention about race." Washington Times,
July
13.

14.. Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a).

15.. Rubush, Scott. (2000). "Black hate on trial." FrontPage
Magazine, Oct.
26.

16.. Noel, Peter. (1999). "Bring me the head." Village Voice, Feb.
3-9.

17.. Stix, Nicholas. (2000). "Remembering the Central Park jogger."
FrontPage Magazine, July 12.

18.. Jacobs, James B. & Kimberly Potter. (1998). Hate Crimes:
Criminal Law
and Identity Politics. New York: Oxford University Press, pp. 140-2.

19.. Ibid., p. 139.

20.. Ibid.

21.. Ibid.

22.. Ibid., pp. 45-64, especially pp. 63-4.

23.. Ibid., pp. 16-17.

24.. The FBI's Uniform Crime Reports are online at
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr.htm

25.. US Census Bureau. "Resident Population Estimates of the United
States
by Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin: April 1, 1990 to July 1, 1999, with
Short-Term Projection to September 1, 2000."
http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/nation/intfile3-1.txt

26.. Op cit., Jacobs & Potter, pp. 18-9, Perlmutter, Philip. (1999).
Legacy
of Hate: A Short History of Ethnic, Religious, and Racial Prejudice in
America. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe.

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Outstanding post !! I still feel we need to get rid of "Hate Crimes" and use the laws that we have to prosecute these assholes (both black and white offenders) to the fullest extent.......
 
Interesting how the white-on-black "hate" crimes that ARE ALWAYS reported are, for the most part, not even remotely as heinous and cruel as these... and in fewer number.

bump for RyanH.

-Warik
 
Fantom,

I could not agree more.

A crime is a crime regardless of motivation etc.

I am suprised that there hasn't been any sort of mass backlash against the double standards. I know that if anyone I knew was a victim of the above I would commit some "hate" crimes of my own. I'm sure, being a member of white majority, I would make news.

I think the problem is the gov. is afraid of loud mouthed minoritys and gives them what they want - minority supremecy
 
I don't see why it only stands out in the publics eye if the victims are a certain color. It is still an untolerable act of senseless violence that produces nothing but death. It is still just as brutal for the victim regardless of color, white or black or other.
 
Jimsbbc said:
I don't see why it only stands out in the publics eye if the victims are a certain color.

Because white people are evil and black people are victims of racism.

Hardly proof of America's quest for "equality" if news is reported differently based on the races of the parties involved.

-Warik
 
I understand why they do it. I am saying it should still be considered just as brutal, regardless. There is no controlling the media though. It is like an 800 lbs gorilla, it just sits where it wants to.
 
Warik said:
Interesting how the white-on-black "hate" crimes that ARE ALWAYS reported are, for the most part, not even remotely as heinous and cruel as these... and in fewer number.

Thats why we need a white version of Al Sharptin, OMG I HATE THAT MAN!!!
 
311 said:
I am suprised that there hasn't been any sort of mass backlash against the double standards.

I'd say that 80% of my posts describe the horrible double standard. Unfortunaltely all my efforts have labled me the board racist. I think its obvious why there hasn't been a mass backlash. I wouldn't dare express my opinions in public for fear of losing everything thing I have.

All those crimes are not suprising. Anyone who has been to mardi gras has seen black on white hate crimes in person. I'm talking like 20-30 on 1 or 2. Its disgusting, I'm never going back to that worthless excuse for a city. I wonder why it was dubbed the "most dangerous city in America" hmmmmmmmmm:confused:
 
didn't you all know that black on white hate crimes are okay since all of us owned slaves and they are just paying us back for all that oppression. where the fuck is a good lynch mob when you need it.

jesse jackson,

BLOW ME!!!
 
Natymike said:


I'd say that 80% of my posts describe the horrible double standard. Unfortunaltely all my efforts have labled me the board racist.
All those crimes are not suprising. Anyone who has been to mardi gras has seen black on white hate crimes in person. I'm talking like 20-30 on 1 or 2. Its disgusting, I'm never going back to that worthless excuse for a city. I wonder why it was dubbed the "most dangerous city in America" hmmmmmmmmm:confused:

Agreed Naty....there will never be a balanced objective
media display with these brutal crimes........it will be like this until people decide to do something personally...I mean individually. Races have to stop teaching hate in the homes, or wherever it's taught....We can spend billions on stem cell, and cloning, but we cannot, will not, refuse to try and get along with other nationalities
Duke, Farrahkan, or however the name is spelled cannot use their obvious influence to stop inciting more hatred......Not because they can't, the mentality of this country is so determined to find negatives in everything......I completely understand why countries with less $$, technology, etc. think this is a country of idiots and fools. We're trying to broker peace in the Mid East, and our yard looks like shit.....The mentality exists at the top as well. All of the advances this country has made thru technology and life,
These types of things (hate crimes) hold us back from being really good people.

Naty, I still think you should voice your opinion whenever you want, so what if people think you are racist....does it really matter that much? what people think? I don't give a flip what people think, I know what kind of person I am, and so should you. If they resent the threads you start, that's something they have to deal with....which they can by posting, but it shouldn't pull you into a verbal fight about your beliefs, or thoughts. I find it hard to respect those who complain about wrongs and injustices, then do nothing about correcting them. IMO, all sides have to take time and try to work out a plan to get along. Wipe the slate clean, put the past aside, and work on the now, and what can be done to stop this madness in the future....I wouldn't want anybody I know to be a victim of hate-based crimes....somewhere, somebody has to start.
 
gymnpoppa said:
Naty, I still think you should voice your opinion whenever you want, so what if people think you are racist....does it really matter that much? what people think? I don't give a flip what people think, I know what kind of person I am, and so should you.

I hear you Gym, but being dubbed a racist can ruin your life. Just look at John Rocker, all he said was that he wasn't a big fan of foreigners, and if Spreewell were white, then he would of been banned from the NBA. Rocker will forever be hated by the United States simply because he said what was on his mind.

For some reason, freedom of speech doesn't apply in these situations. Jesse Jackson can talk about all the discrimination he wants, but as soon as a white public figure opens his mouth, his life is over. Black people hate John Rocker because he thought there was a double standard in America. A lot of other people don't even know why they hate Rocker, they just want to jump on the band wagon.

Its a lose/lose situation, people lose their jobs daily for opening their mouths.
 
If you look at the bottom of the post, this is obviously made to hype everyone up and maybe cause some anger. It is obviously posted by a white supremist in an effort to recruit/gain support. There is nothing wrong with that, it's freedom of speech.

You have to look at hate in general. Hate crime is a hate crime regardless of race. Hate is evil and tears the world apart. To focus on one race and one type of hate just doesnt make much sense except that it's racially motivated. Someone is just lashing back at blacks.

It's hard to believe that the media skips such stories and covers only the white on black crimes. I mean, we stories everyday about shark attacks and traffic accidents and you tell me that a hate crime is not big news???

What's with this black and white thing anyway. It's getting so tiresome and old. That's all you hear about. When hispanic, indian and asian populations rise in the next few years to equal or surpass whites and blacks, then I guess that will be new news huh?

I think hate crimes go beyond black and while also. There are more hate crimes that are religiously motivated than anything else.

Which one of us will change the status of this country?? And how?? Talking about it?? Complaining?? Forming groups, sending letters and marching?? All that just doesnt work for the better. What's the new solution for this country's problems with racism?
 
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I agree, a hate crime is a hate crime and the perpetrator should be punished according to the law. It's justice. I just dont believe in hating another man's color! What tha fuck? Hate a color?? Who care's what what someone's color is, I only care if they are a cool person or not. This hate crime/racial hatred crap is so f'in tiresome man!
 
Goes back to what

I said, Parenting, (that's two responsible people) is the key.......without it.....this is the end result....a blind man could see. Good post BPB.
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
agreed, but black people feel that now they are owed something and should get away with more. That's why they always cite the "years and years" of oppression that they've suffered, like that somehow excuses a man for sodomizing and stabbing a 12 year old girl. I just hear too many excuses coming from that community. Is it excusable for a white man to assault or kill a black man because his father or grandfather was assaulted or killed by a black man? No it's not. Jesse Jackson is the biggest "yes, but" guy I have ever seen. He will make excuse after excuse after excuse for actions some black people perpetrate. And it always leads back to the "white man"........I just wish black people would go "hey, you know what, we've got a fucked up portion of our society that we need to do something about", "maybe we need to parent our kids more and not let them listen to gangster rap or watch rap video's on MTV or BET". "Maybe we should woop the fucking shit out of them when they come home acting like snoop dog or DMX". But you know why they don't??? Because they're told that by doing that, they're trying to make their kids "more appealing to the white man".................I have heard Louis Farrakhan say that EXACT PHRASE. I heard him say it on a local public access station that carries his speeches. He has it in his head that when a kid comes home acting like the most popular rap star at that moment, that parents should let that be because those kids are developing the "Black" identity. Somehow, being a law abiding citizen and productive member of society is too "white'........uh huh

Physics, I am black and I dont feel anything is owed to me. I am not lazy, I worked and studied for all that I possess. I'm a freakin network engineer and you know what...I worked for that. Yes, my race has it's problems, yes there is a lot to be done. If everyone is honest, they know that their race has the same 'group' also. It's just reality! What can I do about it? I tell young guys how I got to where I am and what opportunities are out there. Does it work? Yes, in a lot of cases it has! Sadly, everyone doesn't listen, some are lazy, some have no high interests and there is nothing to do about that. You have to agree that some people are just trapped in their environment and the strongest make it out and succeed. The ones that are left live in A WORLD OF NEGATIVITY. The 'group' that all of our races have always will come up with the excuses. Excuses are the easy way out right??? It's easier than taking on a challenge! On another note, most of the 'pro' race leaders are biased no matter what organization they are with. Some are extremist. Some opinions I agree with and some I dont. The point is, I have my own view and no one...pro black or pro white influences my thinking. Overall, I feel I am a very neutral and good person. My mind is open to all. All races also have those influential role models...not just blacks. Some are good and some are negative. It's up to the parents to teach their kids to chose reality from a video. Yes, a lot of problems are parenting, some are economic and some just the influential environment and people that surround us.
 
Yes, I remember that...it even seems funny now. This country has attacked everything to blame it's problems of violence on though. At one time it was rock music, another drugs, another time it was violent video games, then rap music and now last but not least, the movie industry is taking the big hit.

Anyone, anywhere with problems usually places the blame elsewhere instead of taking it upon themselves to make a change. If not a change within the communities or the races, at least a change for the individual. Blaming is so easy...no matter who does it.
 
HAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Yeah, Snoop is always higher than a kite. I wish BET would show more black history and positive programs. Instead it shows mostly videos. Well, as far as rap goes and the images, a lot of it is pushed by the record industries and lets be honest...the record industry is not owned by blacks. So, the root is just money driven. It's marketing...feeding the public what it wants and the big cats sit back with big pockets of money.

Of course we cant start cutting out music. Music in all forms is a great thing. It's a way of communicating, relaxing, having fun, etc. I really, really think that youth need positive influence. That's all too it. There is nothing wrong with watching videos and listening to music, but damn, youth need to see the other side of things. They instead are just bombarded with big marketing from big rich companies. Those guys dont give a shit about the youth of America. So, individually each person has to make a difference. Like I said before, BET has a big influence in the black community and should take more advantage of it. Unfortunately I suspect the reason for their focus on music is due to the fact that's where the station gets most of their money from.

Youth in this country on all sides really should be offered more than what the big, rich companies are giving them.
 
I focus on the youth because unfortunately the adults are usually stuck in their mind set...or just have a narrow minded view...or they will not change. We can only change the future here. I think a lot of the racism can be cut out in the future if the youth are given a positive, guiding hand. The older crowd will just keep blaming, hurting each other and stay stuck in their narrow views.
 
I agree, a hate crime is a hate crime and the perpetrator should be punished according to the law. It's justice. I just dont believe in hating another man's color!


This is what I was saying earlier in different words. :fro:
 
I can't see these types of problems ever going away.
It is only natural to look out for one's own people (although violence is taking it to far).
I am not a member of the World Church Of The Creator but I do respect that they have an interest in protecting and advancing their own people - something that most whites don't seeem to care about.
In my opinion every race has a different thinking, morality, culture. The notion that we can all just get along is not based on reality. In a perfect world maybe.
I am not a so called "white supremisist" but I am loyal to my own. I have no interest in other culture and religion etc. I love my own people and my own culture.
Why does that make me evil?
When people don't get along don't gag, bind and force them to like eachother. Instead, let them go their own way.
If we did the later instead of the former we would not have racial problems.
I know we all "bleed red" but that dosn't seem to be enough.
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
contraction, correct me if I'm wrong...because I am no expert on this, but when it comes to the rap industry, isn't everyone signed with either death row or the new one started by dre??

Oh, no. Not at all...
 
I'm with you 311. I have nothing against blacks, I just prefer to be with my own kind. For that, I offer no apology. It's only natural. I also think that with the liberal assholes taking away all of our rights, we need organizations that represent our interests. We damn sure don't get represented in D.C. This is why we need right to carry laws everywhere, I would like to see the playing field leveled. I carry a piece with me anyway, but it would be nice if I didn't have to worry about the thugs with badges that can't protect shit, from discovering my toys and locking me up.
 
Many have tried to represent our interests but have been labled "neo-nazi" at best or murdered (L Rockwell) at worst. Labels such as "neo-nazi" and "hater" are used to keep the average White quiet while the Liberal powers-that-be robb us blind and give to those that hate us (read minoritys). The first step to disloging the Liberal parasite is to accept their name calling:

I hereby declare myself a "neo-nazi". ;)

That is why WCOFC is wirten in red in the Jewish Defence Legue page (read pro-violence against Gentiles hate page).- they are not afraid of the name calling.

http://www.jdl.org

besides, I would much rather live by the traditional White Ideals with my fellow people under Hitler than under the ignorant, dogmatic, unrealistic ideology of the new-age west.
Mmmm, commie parasites, anti-white media, "it's the white mans falt - lets kill him" attitude, "the white man owes us" attitude, vs. high morality, strength, pride, love, peace, happiness, respect. Indeed, I would be insane to opt for the former over the later.
 
311 said:

I hereby declare myself a "neo-nazi". ;)


Well then you better find yourself a new board. Goodbye.
 
Racism will end when people stop bitching about it. But Hispanics, Asians, and every other minority aside from blacks aren't complaining about racism for some reason. I don't get my way a lot, but I'm not gonna blame someone else for my misfortunes.
 
we done gets away wiff dees crimes, cause dose white folks is stupid. :fro:
 
BigPhysicsBastard said:
contraction, my mistake than bro, I was under the understanding that there was a big movement towards the black owned labels. But you have to agree that at least the big names in the rap industry, are under black owned labels. I recall an interview with Dre where he said that he only calls women bitches and ho's when he's "in character", and doesn't take that attitude home to his wife. Well, to me that's almost worse than actually being that way all the time. He's perpetrating an image that he doesn't even adhere to in his own home, but kids don't know that.......therefore they think it is appropriate to think of women in that way. To me atleast, that's a sellout, BIG TIME!!

Good parents wouldn't allow their kids to listen to rap music. and they shouldn't be out on the streets picking it up there....nor would mine be associating with kids who do...can't stop it at school.....bullshit, if you start early enough teaching, you can prevent a lot of crap. It's commonly referred to as being old-fashioned/old school or having obedient kids.
 
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