Has Anyone Completed A Test/Winstrol Cycle? Results???

[Texas Ranger]

Has anyone completed a Test/Winstrol cycle? What were the results & side-effects? Did you get the "infamous" joint pains???

 

[Bigdogmikey]

joint pain depends on if u had it, if u have it, it will get worse

 

[DieselGunz]

Thinking of doing the same cycle....I will be following this one.

 

[athlete.03]

Has anyone completed a Test/Winstrol cycle? What were the results & side-effects? Did you get the "infamous" joint pains???

Yeah, my first cycle ever. I used really low doses: 250 mg. test enanthate per week and 50 mg. Winny EOD for 6 weeks.

Trained real hard and ate right and put on about 15 lb.; keeping 11 solid.

No real sides to speak of.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Fellas, how does this look?

Test Cypionate@600mgs for weeks 1-8
Winstrol(Oral)@50mgs ED weeks 3-10
[email protected] ED
ALA@1000mgs ED(Liver Protection)
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM(For Joints)

Good? Bad? Alright?

 

[blut wump]

Aren't deca and winny supposed to pair up nicely? The winny having an anti-progestogenic effect and the deca protecting the joints.

 

[Triple J]

Given this is your first cycle (right?) I think you could get by with lower dosages, like 400/wk T and 25mg/day winnie, but maybe thats just me ... T and winnie work really well together, the winnie cuts your SHBG dramatically giving you more free T (more bang for your buck).

I like NAC as a liver protector as well at about 1gram/day. You might want to consider niacin and garlic for lipid profile help. That many weeks of winnie will be sure to decimate your HDL.

As for your joints I would probably try not to go too heavy too fast while on winnie. Although it makes you strong it will dry you out so train accordingly. Limit other dehydrating substances like alcohol and caffeine, drink lots of water, etc.

 

[DIVISION]

Sustanon@250mgs for weeks 1-10
Winstrol(Oral)@50mgs ED weeks 3-10
[email protected] ED
ALA@1000mgs ED(Liver Protection)
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM(For Joints)


My changes.




DIV

 

[mr.cuts]

Sustanon@250mgs for weeks 1-10
Winstrol(Oral)@50mgs ED weeks 3-10
[email protected] ED
ALA@1000mgs ED(Liver Protection)
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM(For Joints)


My changes.




DIV

Since this is his first cycle, i agree with you that 250mg of test per week is the way to go. Personally, I don't even think he needs the winstrol, just test at 250mg per week. It's good to know that someone else on this board believes in using low dosages. Shadow, a mod on this board, indicated that 250mg of test per week is the standard dose for HRT! I guess most people look towards more drugs as the solution instead of relying on a strict training and nutritional program.

 

[blut wump]

Since this is his first cycle, i agree with you that 250mg of test per week is the way to go. Personally, I don't even think he needs the winstrol, just test at 250mg per week. It's good to know that someone else on this board believes in using low dosages. Shadow, a mod on this board, indicated that 250mg of test per week is the standard dose for HRT! I guess most people look towards more drugs as the solution instead of relying on a strict training and nutritional program.

Awww, cmon, "strict training and nutrition". Eat like you're always hungry and train enough to burn it much of it off. How can you go wrong? It works clean so who's going to tell me it won't work on a cycle.

 

[DIVISION]

Since this is his first cycle, i agree with you that 250mg of test per week is the way to go. Personally, I don't even think he needs the winstrol, just test at 250mg per week. It's good to know that someone else on this board believes in using low dosages. Shadow, a mod on this board, indicated that 250mg of test per week is the standard dose for HRT! I guess most people look towards more drugs as the solution instead of relying on a strict training and nutritional program.

For a beginner I don't see any reason to above that......Sustanon 250 is fine.....

He wanted the Winny, I personally think he could do without it too, but you can't win every battle. Kids are gonna do what they want.....

It seems these days that kids are very quick to jab, stick, swallow just about anything that comes their way......just hope they understand the consequences.




DIV

 

[mr.cuts]

For a beginner I don't see any reason to above that......Sustanon 250 is fine.....

He wanted the Winny, I personally think he could do without it too, but you can't win every battle. Kids are gonna do what they want.....

It seems these days that kids are very quick to jab, stick, swallow just about anything that comes their way......just hope they understand the consequences.




DIV

Agreed. It dosen't help when you have mods like Shadow recommending 600mg of test along with 400mg of deca, for a first cycle. I am not a plat member so I can't bring up the post, however this is what he recommended to some 20 something kid, for this first cycle!

 

[DIVISION]

Agreed. It dosen't help when you have mods like Shadow recommending 600mg of test along with 400mg of deca, for a first cycle. I am not a plat member so I can't bring up the post, however this is what he recommended to some 20 something kid, for this first cycle!

I never said Shadow was a great person to ask for cycle advice.




DIV

 

[rodneyabs]

Agreed. It dosen't help when you have mods like Shadow recommending 600mg of test along with 400mg of deca, for a first cycle. I am not a plat member so I can't bring up the post, however this is what he recommended to some 20 something kid, for this first cycle!

Whats wrong with that cycle? My cat couldn't gain anything on 250mg/wk test.

IMO 250mg/wk is like HRT. HRT IS NOT meant to put on slabs of muscle now is it?

600mg/test 400/deca per week is a good beginners cycle if the kid wants to pack on a nice 15 lbs (already assuming he's eating enough and training hard)

 

[bigbair]

My second cycle was 500mg of Aeratest (sp?)/wk and 100mg of winni eod. Good cycle. Good LBM gains and kept most of it. I think the winni helped minimize some of the bloat from the test. I hold water like a riverbed when I'm on test.

Overall, I'd recommend it.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Sustanon@250mgs for weeks 1-10
Winstrol(Oral)@50mgs ED weeks 3-10
[email protected] ED
ALA@1000mgs ED(Liver Protection)
Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM(For Joints)


My changes.




DIV

Division, you would use .5mg of Arimidex ED for 250mgs of Test/wk?

 

[hammercurls]

use letro instead of armidex and drop winny and add anavar.

 

[Texas Ranger]

use letro instead of armidex and drop winny and add anavar.

Hammer, Anavar would be nice, but costs an arm and a leg. I'm not looking to take out a 2nd mortgage for it.(LOL!)

 

[hammercurls]

winstrol is not neccesary in your cycle unless your COMPETING your body will return back to normanl very quickly once you cease use of winstrol

 

[Tux]

Test and winny is great. Biggest and strongest I ever got was on that. 800mg/week of test E for 8 weeks, 30mg/day winny weeks 6-10. Went from 182 10% to 205lbs 11% in 10 weeks, at 5'5". Too bad I broke my tailbone 3 months later during contest prep and lost 30lbs popping PK's... damnit that set me back like 2 years! But Test/winny is great. For a first cycle, I like 250-400mg/week test for 1-10, winny 25-30mg/day weeks 8-12. Adex if you want it but I never needed it, certainly not at those doses. Nolva on hand for gyno and PCT.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Since this is his first cycle, i agree with you that 250mg of test per week is the way to go. Personally, I don't even think he needs the winstrol, just test at 250mg per week. It's good to know that someone else on this board believes in using low dosages. Shadow, a mod on this board, indicated that 250mg of test per week is the standard dose for HRT! I guess most people look towards more drugs as the solution instead of relying on a strict training and nutritional program.

Mr.Cuts, Division, Triple J, Hammercurls what do you recommend for a 1st Cycle if the person's goal was size & strength? (Stats: 30 years old, Soon to be 31 in a few days-DAMN! I feel old , 6'3" 225lbs 8-9% bf) Just curious...

 

[The Shadow]

. Shadow, a mod on this board, indicated that 250mg of test per week is the standard dose for HRT.

....thats not what "I" said at all.


I posted a link thats stated a dose of 200-400 mg test every 1-2 weeks gave blood results that were within the "normal" range for men. ie - there was no elevated T levels assoicated with this dosing scheme. It also went on to say that this amount of 200 mg per week would wreck HPTA, there by "wiping out" the normal "in house" production.

Here ya go:

DEPO-TESTOSTERONE CYPIONATE
Upjohn
Testosterone Cypionate
Androgen



Pharmacology: Qualitatively similar to testosterone and its esters in physiologic activity, testosterone cypionate has the advantage of prolonged effect. In hypogonadal males, the effect of a single injection of 200 to 400 mg of testosterone cypionate, was observed to be maintained for 2 to 4 weeks, which is 2 to 4 times longer than the effect produced by a comparable dose of testosterone propionate.




Here you go again:


Testosterone is more commonly given every two weeks, at doses of 200 mg to 400 mg with each dose. Thus, at 200 mg weekly, you are getting the equivalent of 400 mg every 2 weeks. While 200 mg twice weekly is generally an adequate dose to restore testosterone levels to normal in someone with insufficient testosterone production, the higher "supraphysiologic" dose is often given to people with muscle wasting. I am not aware of any evidence that the higher dose is associated with more side effects. Both doses are likely to suppress your body's own ability to manufacture testosterone.





Please note the very last sentence as it validates my point about a 250 mg bolus killing natural production.











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[The Shadow]

I never said Shadow was a great person to ask for cycle advice.




DIV

LMAO...this coming from the dude who said to drink Winny rather than take it orally


I never EVER posted that a beginner "should" take 1000 mg per week.


I gave a hypothetical number for a point...thats being, that you are better off stacking a Class I and a Class II for better results over either one alone.




btw - Cuts....if you are going talk about me...at least get the facts straight

 

[mr.cuts]

LMAO...this coming from the dude who said to drink Winny rather than take it orally


I never EVER posted that a beginner "should" take 1000 mg per week.


I gave a hypothetical number for a point...thats being, that you are better off stacking a Class I and a Class II for better results over either one alone.




btw - Cuts....if you are going talk about me...at least get the facts straight

Wouldn't drinking winny be the same as taking it orally??? Your not making much sense here,shadow.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Mr.Cuts, I think he was referring to Division about the Winny comment.

 

[The Shadow]

Wouldn't drinking winny be the same as taking it orally??? Your not making much sense here,shadow.

no...thats the point....

He suggested DRINKING it as opposed to taking it ORALLY.


^^Hence the irony


I can find the post if you need to see it.....

 

[The Shadow]

Mr.Cuts, I think he was referring to Division about the Winny comment.

I was...but as usual, Cuts makes a statement without actually reading the comment

 

[DIVISION]

no...thats the point....

He suggested DRINKING it as opposed to taking it ORALLY.


^^Hence the irony


I can find the post if you need to see it.....

I made a mistake regarding the Winny drinking vs. injecting........

so?

You seem to be harping on that........what's your point?




DIV

 

[The Shadow]

I made a mistake regarding the Winny drinking vs. injecting........

so?

You seem to be harping on that........what's your point?




DIV

not harping...you made a comment about me above...I was just replying.....Cuts made a mis-interpretation...I was correcting him.


Agreed?

 

[DIVISION]

Mr.Cuts, Division, Triple J, Hammercurls what do you recommend for a 1st Cycle if the person's goal was size & strength? (Stats: 30 years old, Soon to be 31 in a few days-DAMN! I feel old , 6'3" 225lbs 8-9% bf) Just curious...

Back to the original question......

Ranger......I'd say you should stick with a low Test cycle such as:

Week 1-12 Sustanon 250MG ew
Week 1-6 Deca 400MG ew
Week 6-12 Winstrol 50MG ed
PCT

You can build off that or substitue EQ/Inj Winny/ Primo for the Deca......really depends on budget and availability.

Hope this helps.




DIV

 

[The Shadow]

Back to the original question......

Ranger......I'd say you should stick with a low Test cycle such as:

Week 1-12 Sustanon 250MG ew
Week 1-6 Deca 400MG ew
Week 6-12 Winstrol 50MG ed
PCT

You can build off that or substitue EQ/Inj Winny/ Primo for the Deca......really depends on budget and availability.




DIV

I personally thinks that look pretty good.


I might use NPP instead...but nontheless.......

 

[Texas Ranger]

I can't believe the doses I'm seeing and I DO NOT mean that in a negative way. I'm so used to guys saying you need at least 500mgs of Test a week, 30-40mgs of Dbol ED, and/or 400mgs of Deca, etc... So, 250mgs of Test a week will get the job done, huh?

 

[The Shadow]

I can't believe the doses I'm seeing and I DO NOT mean that in a negative way. I'm so used to guys saying you need at least 500mgs of Test a week, 30-40mgs of Dbol ED, and/or 400mgs of Deca, etc... So, 250mgs of Test a week will get the job done, huh?

...that was with 400 mg deca per week...and then 350 mg of winny per week...so its still 650-750 mg per week

..the downside would be the possibility of deca dick at those deca/test ratios

 

[P.I]

Yeah, my first cycle ever. I used really low doses: 250 mg. test enanthate per week and 50 mg. Winny EOD for 6 weeks.

Trained real hard and ate right and put on about 15 lb.; keeping 11 solid.

No real sides to speak of.

did the same cycle only eith sust instead of enantathe. Great results. Kept most of it, and no sides.

My first cycle..