"Hardening-up" gains

[Discreet User]

We often hear talk of hardening up gains near the end of a cycle utilizing this or that compound...

The question is: What exactly is meant by "hardening-up gains"?

Reduction of estrogen resulting in reduced water-weight is understandable, but is there really such a thing as a chemical (AAS or otherwise) that literally increases the hardness of the muscle? If so, by what process/action does this occur?

Thanks in advance

 

[Discreet User]

Quite a few reads, but no action yet...

Let's BUMP this thread

 

[C.K.]

low fat low water a good androgen or dht (mast winny proviron tren) to firm up that's it

 

[oxymoron]

I think of var or what i've just started, tbol. I'm just two weeks in and I swear I've got a much tighter and harder feel and look to muscles than during "normal" training.

 

[Discreet User]

I think of var or what i've just started, tbol. I'm just two weeks in and I swear I've got huge tighter and harder feel and look to muscles than during "normal" training.

That's what I keep hearing. I've just started a cycle and am considering adding in Var at the end. I'm very curious what exactly causes these impressions of "muscle hardness". I know that for me, AI's decrease water weight which in turn makes me feel more dry and hard. I'm wondering if Var does the same thing, or works by some different action.

 

[WinnyPumps]

Test/Masteron/Var is a great hardener with little to no sides.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Test/Masteron/Var is a great hardener with little to no sides.

I don't think you can claim that combo has no sides. All 3 have sides.

 

[Discreet User]

theres no such thing as hardening up gains

its an old rumour in bodybuilding community where guys would think taking a non aromatising steroid at the end of there cycle (which helps gives the body a harder or drier appearance) would solidify gains made on a cycle

wen in all reality all your doing is lowering water retention and increasing the anabolic hormones in your body since your increaseing the total amount of mgs of steroids in your system

e.g guys running test and dbol all throughout there cycle would introduce winnie, masteron, tren in the last 4 weeks

this would dry and harden them up making it appear uve hardened or solidified ur gains, wen in all reality you just loose water retention while retaining the same amount of muscle and look more vascular before there PCT started

do not concern urself with this rumour

Thanks Thatbloke,
I was thinking the same thing, as the whole "muscle-hardening" theory just doesn't make much sense.

 

[Discreet User]

yea its just another reumour in bodybuilding

if you are going to addsomething to the end of your cycle i see nothing wrong with it, but dont get the impression its going to harden your gains up lol

just add it to give ya a nice kick before you come off

there numurous things guys do

ive seen alot add in an oral at the end

i personly have tried this, and although it works it doesnt give you magical results

usually throwing in a short ester injectable in the last 3-4 weeks gives great results

ive done it with tren, test, mast etc

id have to say throwing in some prop/masteron together gives a really good kick towards then end of a cycle

I've been thinking about Test Prop lately. I'm prescribed Cypionate by my doc, but he did mention once that he prescribes Prop as well.

I'm considering a Test Prop only short cycle in a few months. I might start doing something like 6 weeks on 10 weeks off just cycling Prop for a while.

 

[RADAR]

Change in diet will make a huge difference!