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zero2sixty

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I have been taking primo at 400mg a week for the past 2 weeks. Over the past 4 days my hair began really shedding. I just woke up and there are like 20 long hairs on my pillow.

I am just wondering if I now stop the primo is the damage to my hair follicles already done and will I continue to see shedding or will it stop? I am thinking of switching to var only now.

Has anybody stopped primo and in return stopped shedding and hair loss when doing so? I understand a little natural hair loss, but this is unsettling.

I know people say who needs hair, but I am now 31 and just recently became single again (and if I had to shave my head I would be UGLY)...so you know why I am freaking some.

Thanks for your help!

Also, I am using nizoral 2% 4 x a week and folligen conditioner and can't use spiro because it makes me breakout like a bitch.
 
You need to page satch, he'd know. As far as I can recall, you are the only person I have ever heard say anything about hairloss on primo. I am running 400/wk starting next week for 10 weeks.
 
thanks...I couldn't believe it either and then I did a search and it appears others had the same issues. Are you prone to MPB? I didn't realize I was because my grandfather passed away when I was really young and I just saw a pic of him a couple of months ago and he had extreme thinning in front and on top. I can see we definitely have the same hair line.


Thanks bro.
 
Isn't Primo a DHT derivative? If so, doesn't it block growth of follicles in scalp for those prone to mpb?
 
face it youre losing your hair. happens.

this question has come up a zillion times on EF. there has never been definitive answer if AAS related hair loss can be reversed. seems logical that eventually it will once you are off and your body resumes its normal testosterone production.
 
my main question now is if I come off the primo are the follicles already damaged enough from the 2 weeks of use, or if I stop will the follicles get their strength back? Thanks bro's, I really appreciate all the help.
 
sometimes its just a change in hormones and you will shed, how can an aas like primo that takes a few weeks to really kick in, cause you to lose hair via mpb in just two weeks? do some more research.
 
I have just noticed my hair shedding a ton the past 4-5 days....I am just asking advise from others who may have experienced the same thing.
 
i only heard of a few cases of hair loss from primo...
for me and many others hairloss is non-existent.
 
My opinion and my experience:

A man has a genetic potential for hair loss or hair retention. Taking gear seems to speed up the process. Only hair loss is noticeable, of course.

When you crank up the amount of DTH in your system from gear, you up the odds.

You may have pushed up what was going to happen.

BUT ... you may have taken some contaminated sh*t and this might reverse itself! Who knows what bathtub gear is made in.

Get off it and see what happens.

BTW ... any chick who loves you for your hair is a c*nt and should be shown the door.
 
"BTW ... any chick who loves you for your hair is a c*nt and should be shown the door."

love it, but honestly it is just I love my hair, know what I mean....I just became single again and feel it is just best for me to stop the primo now in case the hair loss gets worse...hopefully by starting var only instead I won't have as much loss and hopefully I didn't kill all the hair follicles that were predestined to fall out any way, but at a future time....thanks everybody for the help
 
satchboogie said:
i only heard of a few cases of hair loss from primo...
for me and many others hairloss is non-existent.
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I've heard of a ton of cases of counterfeited primo..
it's possible that his primo isn't primo.

kevin7
 
kevin7 said:
I've heard of a ton of cases of counterfeited primo..
it's possible that his primo isn't primo.

kevin7
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it is orbit, so I am not sure if it is real or not...I can tell you my strength and recovery was up after the first week and not only is my hair falling out but my balls are aching.
 
Life is full of choices...I am natural now for the sake of my hair...am I bummed, yes, but my hair is better for it.
 
Mister Fister said:
Isn't Primo a DHT derivative? If so, doesn't it block growth of follicles in scalp for those prone to mpb?
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yep. Primo is relatively mild, but is androgenic enough to make you shed if you're prone.
I won't touch the stuff.
 
Let me end this for all of you .
37 - juicing for 16 yrs. - full head of hair :p
Come on guys - juice 101 - Primo - DHT derivative - Winny DHt derivative-Halotest - DHT deriv. Masteron - DHT deriv. Many others. Take Winny together with Primo - Massive shedding.
I was running Primo Masteron and Winny together with 1000mg of Sust. - Oh my god the hair that came out of my head when I used a stiff gel. SCARY!!! I used to get lightheaded just seeing all the hair.
Test does not convert to DHTat the rate like any of these you will keep you hair much longer with Test.
My hair stops shedding immediately after I stop the DHT stuff and yes it comes back.
If you are prone to MPB - Roulette wheel - may come back may not and eventually over time - Bald!

I have used test all yr sometimes and NIzoral 2% 3X a week and not one piece falls out. I now take Propecia too. Obviously even though I have a full head of hair at my age its only a matter of time - yes it has thinned over the yrs since my 20's but nothing crazy. Propecia is not a cure all - it only works for certain drugs like Test and will not do much to prevent hair loss for the majority of the DHT deriv. drugs.
Answer to all this -Muscles or Hair ? - the choice is yours. Either that or don't use PRimo :qt:
Oh yeah GH helps the hair situation too. I know.
 
GH Head said:
Let me end this for all of you .
37 - juicing for 16 yrs. - full head of hair :p
Come on guys - juice 101 - Primo - DHT derivative - Winny DHt derivative-Halotest - DHT deriv. Masteron - DHT deriv. Many others. Take Winny together with Primo - Massive shedding.
I was running Primo Masteron and Winny together with 1000mg of Sust. - Oh my god the hair that came out of my head when I used a stiff gel. SCARY!!! I used to get lightheaded just seeing all the hair.
Test does not convert to DHTat the rate like any of these you will keep you hair much longer with Test.
My hair stops shedding immediately after I stop the DHT stuff and yes it comes back.
If you are prone to MPB - Roulette wheel - may come back may not and eventually over time - Bald!

I have used test all yr sometimes and NIzoral 2% 3X a week and not one piece falls out. I now take Propecia too. Obviously even though I have a full head of hair at my age its only a matter of time - yes it has thinned over the yrs since my 20's but nothing crazy. Propecia is not a cure all - it only works for certain drugs like Test and will not do much to prevent hair loss for the majority of the DHT deriv. drugs.
Answer to all this -Muscles or Hair ? - the choice is yours. Either that or don't use PRimo :qt:
Oh yeah GH helps the hair situation too. I know.
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How noticeable is the hair shedding.. I'm a female.. being bald wouldn't be attractive and I'm about to start a primo cycle.
 
zZzStarGazer said:
How noticeable is the hair shedding.. I'm a female.. being bald wouldn't be attractive and I'm about to start a primo cycle.
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I don't pretend to know what happens with females - Females are prone to MPB too - just not the same as men. Women do lose their hair as they get older. I would imagine that just like with other side effects related to taking hormones that are not your own you would experience the same effects that a man does.

NOw for your question - is it noticeable? Let me tell you this first - guys are nuts about their hair and hair loss. Many times you see things that aren't even there and what you see is usually much worse to you than what others see. Do I think it is noticeable - yes. When I do my hair with gel and pomade the hair pulls out of my head and I literally have a handful of hair. The sink looks like I just got a hair cut. But remember I am using Got2bGlued a ridiculously stiff gel. It would pull your hair out regardless. When the light hits the hair def. think you see the scalp more and thats when I back off. Yes I have noticed thinning and creeping hair lines in my 20 something friends also. But I look for it. My suggestion is this - monitor the loss - look at your pillow when you get up and look through your scalp with a bright light on and if you start seeing too much hair loss or see your scalp more than usual - stop. I don't think at the dosage a woman takes it will be too bad at all. Remember I'm taking 600mg of Primo and 50Mg Win ED. Hopefully, much diff. than what you're planning to do.
 
GH Head said:
I don't pretend to know what happens with females - Females are prone to MPB too - just not the same as men. Women do lose their hair as they get older. I would imagine that just like with other side effects related to taking hormones that are not your own you would experience the same effects that a man does.

NOw for your question - is it noticeable? Let me tell you this first - guys are nuts about their hair and hair loss. Many times you see things that aren't even there and what you see is usually much worse to you than what others see. Do I think it is noticeable - yes. When I do my hair with gel and pomade the hair pulls out of my head and I literally have a handful of hair. The sink looks like I just got a hair cut. But remember I am using Got2bGlued a ridiculously stiff gel. It would pull your hair out regardless. When the light hits the hair def. think you see the scalp more and thats when I back off. Yes I have noticed thinning and creeping hair lines in my 20 something friends also. But I look for it. My suggestion is this - monitor the loss - look at your pillow when you get up and look through your scalp with a bright light on and if you start seeing too much hair loss or see your scalp more than usual - stop. I don't think at the dosage a woman takes it will be too bad at all. Remember I'm taking 600mg of Primo and 50Mg Win ED. Hopefully, much diff. than what you're planning to do.
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Definantly is. I am still fresh to AAS so my receptors are going to grab more. I will be taking much less.
As to your Got2BGel. That's from the grocery store right?
Yuck.
My opinion, for a couple dollars more go to the good stuff. The Matrix, TIGI, or Kpak are some good ones. I would recommend KPak to you, it actually has a reconstructive line to help promote healthiness in hair. I used to be a bleached blonde and it's bad for the heair, my hair would easily break off, using KPAK Daily Reconstructive, helped my hair come back to a healthy shine. I also have been taking Biotin, a natural hair supplement that promotes hair growth and a healthy shine. It's not expensive, it's only $9 and in a month you will notice a difference.
I am not going to worry too much about hair loss, but thatnks for the acknowledgement.
 
thanks for all the reply's...I am now off the primo and sticking to var and some CEE...I just noticed a shit load on my pillow and got really scared, because honestly, I would be a pretty ugly bald guy and my hair is almost black so seeing scalp is very noticeable...The Got2Be glued some is very strong and rips the hair out like crazy, I can contest because I used to use it a couple of years ago....

so GH is really good for the hair? It seems to be f-ing expensive but may be something to look at as I get older and more into my 30's.
 
This is the first I ever heard of it, I just started primo myself (week 4, 2nd @ 400mg/wk), I am 31 and my hair is as thick and full as it was at 17.
 
I had the same problem taking Deca/Dbol and I didn't notice it at first, then about 3-4 weeks in it really started shedding.

I like having hair, and it disturbed me to see tons of it coming out on my pillow in the shower etc. I can't speak for everyone, but I've been natty for over a year now and my hair has grown back. It's maybe not as full and thick as before, but it does grow back.

If I ever juice again it'll be mild compounds like NPP/var.
 
zZzStarGazer said:
i blame it on the cheap glue for your head..
tisk tisk.
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hi zzz,

my rec re hairloss for women is the same as for men, as for both sexes DHT has been implicated...you can cut out the spiro if it makes you breakout.

-most rigorous hair protocol (thanks Junk and Dr. Lee):
Morning:
-revivogen/polysorbate 80 shampoo rotation (copper peptides proven to
increase circulation, possibly hairgrowth and poly 80 decreases
inflammation)
-Xandrox 5% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar

Afternoon:
-Rogaine extra strength
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar
-Avodart .5 mg

Night:
-shampoo w/ Ketoconazole 2% (only every third day)
-wait until hair dries, then apply Xandrox15 (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-Avodart .5 mg

honestly, i've got an iron hairline based on this regiment and have gained, even while 'on', quite a lot of hair in crown/hairline over the past 8 months. it takes about 3 min/day and while i'm waiting for stuff to dry i'm reading, cooking, etc...anyway, i would say xandrox15, proscar, retin-a, and the shampoos would be enough for you...

best,

k6
 
Kevin.. I'm just going to hope that the little bit I take won't hurt. I'm not taking 100mg or anything. I don't think I would look cute with a reseding(sp?) hairline
 
kevin6 said:
hi zzz,

my rec re hairloss for women is the same as for men, as for both sexes DHT has been implicated...you can cut out the spiro if it makes you breakout.

-most rigorous hair protocol (thanks Junk and Dr. Lee):
Morning:
-revivogen/polysorbate 80 shampoo rotation (copper peptides proven to
increase circulation, possibly hairgrowth and poly 80 decreases
inflammation)
-Xandrox 5% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar

Afternoon:
-Rogaine extra strength
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar
-Avodart .5 mg

Night:
-shampoo w/ Ketoconazole 2% (only every third day)
-wait until hair dries, then apply Xandrox15 (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-Avodart .5 mg

honestly, i've got an iron hairline based on this regiment and have gained, even while 'on', quite a lot of hair in crown/hairline over the past 8 months. it takes about 3 min/day and while i'm waiting for stuff to dry i'm reading, cooking, etc...anyway, i would say xandrox15, proscar, retin-a, and the shampoos would be enough for you...

best,

k6
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That's waaay more hardcore then my hair routine.
Never tried polysorbate shampoo
 
actually females are not prone to MPB....they are prone to FPB. :p


GH Head said:
I don't pretend to know what happens with females - Females are prone to MPB too - just not the same as men. Women do lose their hair as they get older. I would imagine that just like with other side effects related to taking hormones that are not your own you would experience the same effects that a man does.

NOw for your question - is it noticeable? Let me tell you this first - guys are nuts about their hair and hair loss. Many times you see things that aren't even there and what you see is usually much worse to you than what others see. Do I think it is noticeable - yes. When I do my hair with gel and pomade the hair pulls out of my head and I literally have a handful of hair. The sink looks like I just got a hair cut. But remember I am using Got2bGlued a ridiculously stiff gel. It would pull your hair out regardless. When the light hits the hair def. think you see the scalp more and thats when I back off. Yes I have noticed thinning and creeping hair lines in my 20 something friends also. But I look for it. My suggestion is this - monitor the loss - look at your pillow when you get up and look through your scalp with a bright light on and if you start seeing too much hair loss or see your scalp more than usual - stop. I don't think at the dosage a woman takes it will be too bad at all. Remember I'm taking 600mg of Primo and 50Mg Win ED. Hopefully, much diff. than what you're planning to do.
Click to expand...
 
GH Head said:
Let me end this for all of you .
37 - juicing for 16 yrs. - full head of hair :p
Come on guys - juice 101 - Primo - DHT derivative - Winny DHt derivative-Halotest - DHT deriv. Masteron - DHT deriv. Many others. Take Winny together with Primo - Massive shedding.
I was running Primo Masteron and Winny together with 1000mg of Sust. - Oh my god the hair that came out of my head when I used a stiff gel. SCARY!!! I used to get lightheaded just seeing all the hair.
Test does not convert to DHTat the rate like any of these you will keep you hair much longer with Test.
My hair stops shedding immediately after I stop the DHT stuff and yes it comes back.
If you are prone to MPB - Roulette wheel - may come back may not and eventually over time - Bald!

I have used test all yr sometimes and NIzoral 2% 3X a week and not one piece falls out. I now take Propecia too. Obviously even though I have a full head of hair at my age its only a matter of time - yes it has thinned over the yrs since my 20's but nothing crazy. Propecia is not a cure all - it only works for certain drugs like Test and will not do much to prevent hair loss for the majority of the DHT deriv. drugs.
Answer to all this -Muscles or Hair ? - the choice is yours. Either that or don't use PRimo :qt:
Oh yeah GH helps the hair situation too. I know.
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Well summerized.
 
kevin6 said:
hi zzz,

my rec re hairloss for women is the same as for men, as for both sexes DHT has been implicated...you can cut out the spiro if it makes you breakout.

-most rigorous hair protocol (thanks Junk and Dr. Lee):
Morning:
-revivogen/polysorbate 80 shampoo rotation (copper peptides proven to
increase circulation, possibly hairgrowth and poly 80 decreases
inflammation)
-Xandrox 5% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar

Afternoon:
-Rogaine extra strength
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-1.25 mg proscar
-Avodart .5 mg

Night:
-shampoo w/ Ketoconazole 2% (only every third day)
-wait until hair dries, then apply Xandrox15 (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply Retin-A 0.025% (crown and hairline)
-wait 10 minutes, then apply 5% Spironolactone (crown and hairline)
-Avodart .5 mg

honestly, i've got an iron hairline based on this regiment and have gained, even while 'on', quite a lot of hair in crown/hairline over the past 8 months. it takes about 3 min/day and while i'm waiting for stuff to dry i'm reading, cooking, etc...anyway, i would say xandrox15, proscar, retin-a, and the shampoos would be enough for you...

best,

k6
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Thanks for mentioning my original advice thread on combating hairloss and growing new hair. I've used the routine above for the past several years with REAL HEAVY LONG cycles and trust me. If you've got the cash / like your hair. That's the way to go.
 
zero2sixty said:
I have been taking primo at 400mg a week for the past 2 weeks. Over the past 4 days my hair began really shedding. I just woke up and there are like 20 long hairs on my pillow.

I am just wondering if I now stop the primo is the damage to my hair follicles already done and will I continue to see shedding or will it stop? I am thinking of switching to var only now.

Has anybody stopped primo and in return stopped shedding and hair loss when doing so? I understand a little natural hair loss, but this is unsettling.

I know people say who needs hair, but I am now 31 and just recently became single again (and if I had to shave my head I would be UGLY)...so you know why I am freaking some.

Thanks for your help!

Also, I am using nizoral 2% 4 x a week and folligen conditioner and can't use spiro because it makes me breakout like a bitch.
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If hair are very important to you (they are to me, I have male pattern hairloss), then stop primo. Continued exposure will make it worse.
Start Proscar (finesteride 5 mg).
Rogain 10% (20%, if you can get it).
Nizoral 2%.

Otherwise, you can continue primo along with what I suggested above.
 
finesteride 5 mg Doesn't it have systematic effects? Hinder gains?


So far I have

Nizoral Shampoo %2
Spiro %5
Minoxidil 5%
Azelaic Acid 5%

Should I add the Finesteride? I was planning on a test cycle but I plan to run this hair stack every time I decide to run a cycle does it look good so far? If so 5mg is good? i thought maybe a gram or two not sure
 
I truly dont think that gh will help much with the hair loss Ive been taking it for last 4 months and hair just started falling out for the first time on cycle.
 
GH Head- A while ago you wrote that you lost no hair on test, but lost a lot on other DHT-based drugs and that "My hair stops shedding immediately after I stop the DHT stuff and yes it comes back." I realize everyone is different, but for your particular case, how long before you noticed it came back?

Also, you said you used nizoral 2% 3x/week. How long are you leaving it on? I found nizoral irritated my scalp. Thanks for the info.
 
I had the same problem with primo same lab too. I am starting to wonder in the contration was to high. Either way there is zero history on either side of family with baldness and thank good I have super thick hair. I lost a fair bit no bald patches or anything that bad but it thinned. Luckly on my last visit to my hair dresser she told me there is a ton of new hair growth sprouting out couple inches long so it appears that mine is coming back but I would NEVE EVER RUN PRIMO AGAIN!
 
Hair grows and sheds in cycles, often they are not correlated with current cycles since there may be a lag.

Secondly, wtf with the 5 mg of finasteride? 1 mg is just as effective, look around you will find the studies.
 
mightymouse69 said:
Hair grows and sheds in cycles, often they are not correlated with current cycles since there may be a lag.

Secondly, wtf with the 5 mg of finasteride? 1 mg is just as effective, look around you will find the studies.
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1mg a day is for normal natural guys........5mg a day seems better for someone
with gear!
 
shave some hair off your ass and airplane glue it to your forehead, that should solve everything bro.
 
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